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Flash
02-16-2011, 06:56 PM
In press commentary on the recent events in Egypt, there were frequent expressions of concern that Egypt might be falling into “anarchy.” “Anarchy,” in conventional journalistic usage, means chaos, disorder, and bloodshed — a Hobbesian war of all against all — that occurs when the stabilizing hand of government is removed. “Anarchy” is the agenda of mobs of kids in black circle-A t-shirts, smashing windows and setting stuff on fire.

But “anarchy,” as the term is understood by anarchists, is a form of society in which the state is replaced by the management of all human affairs through voluntary associations. Paul Goodman argued that it was impossible, through violence, to impose an anarchistic order on society, or to achieve a free society by replacing an old order with a new one. Rather, a free society results from “the extension of spheres of free action until they make up most of the social life.” Or to quote Gustav Landauer: “The State is a condition, a certain relationship between human beings, a mode of behaviour; we destroy it by contracting other relationships, by behaving differently toward one another… We are the State and we shall continue to be the State until we have created the institutions that form a real community.”

And we saw a great deal of anarchy in Egypt in recent days, in that sense. The people of Egypt have made a great start towards extending the spheres of free action, contracting new kinds of relationships between human beings, and creating the institutional basis of a real community.

Despite the poice state’s attempts to promote religious dissension and divide the opposition, Coptic Christians have stood watch over Muslims during their daily times of prayer. Muslims, likewise, guarded the perimeter of Liberation Square during a Coptic mass.

The resistance organized patrols to safeguard shops and museums from looting, and to watch over neighborhoods from which the security forces had been withdrawn. Meanwhile, as it turned out, most of the actions of violence and looting were false flag operations, carried out by security forces posing as protestors. So the functionaries of the state were the actual sources of violence and disorder; law and order emerged from anarchy — that is, from voluntary association.

The interim leader, Vice President Omar Suleiman — the object of so much hope on the part of neoconservative partisans of “stability” and “order” — is a torturer and a collaborator with the CIA’s “extraordinary rendition” program. Never forget: For every dubious example of an alleged “bomb-throwing anarchist,” like those at Haymarket, there are a million bombs thrown by governments. For every innocent person harmed by an alleged anarchist in a rioting mob, there are a thousand people tortured or murdered in some police dungeon, or ten thousand slaughtered by death squads in the countryside. For every store window broken by demonstrators, there are untold thousands of peasants robbed of their land in evictions and enclosures by feudal elites.

The people of Egypt have managed to throw out one tyrant. Now they find themselves under a military dictatorship which may or may not wind up reducing the level of tyranny. But if the Egyptian people find the new boss as oppressive as the old one, says Molinari Institute President Roderick Long, they know how to get rid of him.

If there is any real hope for the future, in the long run, it is in the anarchy that the people have built for themselves on the streets. There’s an old phrase that’s popular among the Wobblies, or Industrial Workers of the World: “building the structure of the new society within the shell of the old.” The Egyptian people have made a fair start toward doing just that. May the seeds of anarchy which were planted in the recent uprising continue to germinate and grow.

http://c4ss.org/content/6147

dannno
02-16-2011, 06:58 PM
This was a great argument until that CBS chick got raped by that mob...

Can anybody come up with a rebuttal if somebody mentions the rape when promoting this stuff?

FrankRep
02-16-2011, 07:02 PM
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.

- James Madison, Federalist No. 51 (http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa51.htm)

silverhandorder
02-16-2011, 07:03 PM
People get raped all the time. Why is she special and what has anarchy to do with this? Overall the country stayed fine.

McBell
02-16-2011, 07:04 PM
This was a great argument until that CBS chick got raped by that mob...

Can anybody come up with a rebuttal if somebody mentions the rape when promoting this stuff?
People get raped in the United States. Therefore, government is bad.

Bman
02-16-2011, 07:08 PM
People get raped in the United States. Therefore, government is bad.

Yuppers. It's like the Time magazine cover with the Woman's mutilated face that said "What happens if we leave?" Forgetting that we were there when that happened. The picture should have been properly titled "Look at what happens while we are there!"

heavenlyboy34
02-16-2011, 07:10 PM
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.

- James Madison, Federalist No. 51 (http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa51.htm)

Since men are not angels, they should not govern other men. ;)

mczerone
02-16-2011, 07:16 PM
This was a great argument until that CBS chick got raped by that mob...

Can anybody come up with a rebuttal if somebody mentions the rape when promoting this stuff?

Regardless of who assaulted the reporter (I'm thinking it wasn't protesters), how many violent assaults and rapes happen under the gov't's watch? The question is not "will anarchy eliminate crime?" but instead "will anarchy tend to produce less crime than statism?"

And besides the thesis of the article is not about the inherent features of anarchy, but of it's possible formation:

The people of Egypt have made a great start towards extending the spheres of free action, contracting new kinds of relationships between human beings, and creating the institutional basis of a real community.

FrankRep
02-16-2011, 07:16 PM
Since men are not angels, they should not govern other men. ;)

Anarchy is only temporary. Some group will always take power.

heavenlyboy34
02-16-2011, 07:36 PM
Anarchy is only temporary. Some group will always take power.

No, archy is temporary. Eventually, the people catch on and overthrow the leaders to restore liberty (or another, more powerful gang of thugs takes over. The government is the embodiment of "legitimized" violence, you see.). Anarchy is the essence of nature itself.

FrankRep
02-16-2011, 07:47 PM
No, archy is temporary. Eventually, the people catch on and overthrow the leaders to restore liberty (or another, more powerful gang of thugs takes over. The government is the embodiment of "legitimized" violence, you see.). Anarchy is the essence of nature itself.

Even nature has a hierarchy. Watch a nature show sometime.

mczerone
02-16-2011, 07:48 PM
Even nature has a hierarchy. Watch a nature show sometime.

Hierarchies do not imply forcible rule.

heavenlyboy34
02-16-2011, 07:53 PM
Even nature has a hierarchy. Watch a nature show sometime.

Who said anything against hierarchy? Hierarchies can be peaceful and voluntary without a coercive government. Get a job at a private company sometime. ;)

FrankRep
02-16-2011, 07:57 PM
Who said anything against hierarchy? Hierarchies can be peaceful and voluntary without a coercive government. Get a job at a private company sometime. ;)

I'm just saying that Anarchy doesn't exist.

silverhandorder
02-16-2011, 08:01 PM
I'm just saying that Anarchy doesn't exist.

That is just being petty. We describe exactly what we think, give it w/e name you want if it's not anarchy.

Vessol
02-17-2011, 12:06 AM
I'm just saying that Anarchy doesn't exist.

Anarchy is simply the absence of the State. Most of your life is anarchistic.

Does the government select when you sleep, how you eat, where you work, who you date, where you live? These and the vast majority of our daily lives are determined by individual choices that a person makes. The State is absent in most decision making.

eOs
02-17-2011, 12:19 AM
I'm just saying that Anarchy doesn't exist.

Pshh. Maybe not in this earthly realm it doesn't. You just need faith.

jtstellar
02-17-2011, 04:26 AM
No, archy is temporary. Eventually, the people catch on and overthrow the leaders to restore liberty (or another, more powerful gang of thugs takes over. The government is the embodiment of "legitimized" violence, you see.). Anarchy is the essence of nature itself.

when you're the most powerful man in the room, ya. the alternative is everybody else just dies off, so that nature can take its course. no--power is the true essence of nature. individual power = independence and anarchy. state power = totalitarianism. it just depends where power temporarily resides. it owes no loyalty to either side. your assumption that the conditions will always favor individuals is somewhat shallow.

where power lies is decided by which system fosters the best in technological growth and prevents people from worrying about physical conflict, so that the standard of living can be developed. in the future when technology empowers individual to govern ALL of its own needs and self defenses, yes, perhaps. power currently resides mostly with the states because it still provides the above in the most efficient manner, with limited state in particular proven most successful. the trend is moving VERY SLOWLY toward individual power, but this is because of the technologies humans managed to accumulate.

but you anarchists (zeitgeist hipsters especially) for some reasons seem to want the development leading ultimately to individual empowerment to be stopped in its tracks since that's what would happen if society falls into total disarray before individuals can be individually independent to provide for their own needs and self defenses. kind of laughable. to achieve total independence it would mean growing your own food and generating your own electricity, clothes, entertainment, etc. if you had to rely on social activities, then a construct will inevitably arise and the state is simply a part of that because of human's natural tendency tower greed and power(see, the essence of nature, we keep coming back to it).