Wash Post- Ron Paul wins straw poll, but comes out a loser

[Maximus]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/13/AR2011021301463.html

The spin is getting ridiculous

[hazek]

Bwahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

So he won? but he lost?!

HAHAhahahahahahaha!

Hmm all that money, time and energy to show up at CPAC and win the straw poll DEFINITELY WELL SPENT! Hahahahahahha




When will you learn what to focus on and what really matters? Hmm?

[Dr.3D]

I'm pretty sure the Washington Post is pretty much operated by many in the CFR. This is why people need to stop listening to "media" outlets such as that one.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/cfr-members.htm

[sailingaway]

Isn't that hilarious?

I'm thinking this may blow up on them. Almost everyone who knows about Ron, and he now has 70% name recognition, know his supporters think media is biased against him. they can now judge for themselves.

[AGRP]

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years…It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg meeting, June 1991, Baden, Germany.

http://www.thenorthwestreport.com/federal-reserve-bank-quotes-the-central-bank-fraud/

[hazek]

Almost everyone who knows about Ron, and he now has 70% name recognition, know his supporters think media is biased against him. they can now judge for themselves.

Ahh If only we human beings were making our decisions based on reason. :rolleyes:

Sorry to burst your bubble: We don't.


This media bias will as always go unnoticed and all these sorts of articles will do is further cement the public opinion of a vote for Ron being a wasted vote.

[hazek]

Forget about about fundraising, forget about media events and definitely forget about voters using reason to decide Ron is the right guy.

Instead please click: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?279280-Behind-the-curtain-What-the-Status-Quo-pray-you-never-learn

EDIT: and click: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?272747-We-Need-to-Change-Our-Strategy-for-Influencing-or-Converting-Others-(New-Short-Version

[Matt Collins]

The spin is getting ridiculousStrap in and grow some thick skin because it's only just starting.

[sailingaway]

Ahh If only we human beings were making our decisions based on reason. :rolleyes:

Sorry to burst your bubble: We don't.


This media bias will as always go unnoticed and all these sorts of articles will do is further cement the public opinion of a vote for Ron being a wasted vote.

Well, the bias struck me in the last election. It won't be seen by all, possibly but some may pick up on it.

[EndDaFed]

Someone is afraid that the Washington Post won't get any government bailouts during a Paul administration. :D

[lynnf]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/13/AR2011021301463.html

The spin is getting ridiculous

the real losers are the Washington Post and their readers, with this ludicrous spin.

lynn

[hazek]

the real losers are the Washington Post and their readers, with this ludicrous spin.

Nope. The real losers are we as movement which still hasn't realized that media propaganda makes and breaks candidates and nothing and I mean nothing comes even close to have the same effect.

Mark my words: Without a conscious effort to primarily and collectively focus on developing our own propaganda, Ron Paul will not win.

[silverhandorder]

Propaganda is stupid the way you fight propaganda is expose it. You think people are gona be happy if they find out you brain washing them?

[lynnf]

Nope. The real losers are we as movement which still hasn't realized that media propaganda makes and breaks candidates and nothing and I mean nothing comes even close to have the same effect.

Mark my words: Without a conscious effort to primarily and collectively focus on developing our own propaganda, Ron Paul will not win.

what propaganda do you suggest? and how do you propose to get it distributed since the MSM won't do it for us?

lynn

[akforme]

If any of the top tier candidates strengthened their hand at CPAC, it was Romney.

They are so fricken transparent. That's the message they are getting thru, the sad part is most don't even see it, it just becomes fact.

[akforme]

If any of the top tier candidates strengthened their hand at CPAC, it was Romney.

They are so fricken transparent. That's the message they are getting thru, the sad part is most don't even see it, it just becomes fact.

[hazek]

what propaganda do you suggest? and how do you propose to get it distributed since the MSM won't do it for us?

First of all I never claimed I know how to do it. I only know what needs to be done if we want to succeed.

Second of all I'm not even an American so before I spend time and energy on thinking about this problem all of you people on this forum will have make the right realizations which are:
-people make decisions based on emotions
-we have to develop our own propaganda and find means to spread it
-wasting time, money and energy on anything else is pointless


But not to sound like a complete jackass here's where you start: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?279280-Behind-the-curtain-What-the-Status-Quo-pray-you-never-learn
-Ron Paul needs a good PR firm to help him package the message
-we need to hire a firm to use focus groups of GOP voters to find out how they feel about government
-we need to pretend we're selling a product -liberty- for votes and we have to figure out a way to package it accordingly

and here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?272747-We-Need-to-Change-Our-Strategy-for-Influencing-or-Converting-Others-(New-Short-Version

[TomtheTinker]

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years…It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg meeting, June 1991, Baden, Germany.

^^

[Dr.3D]

We need a non-biased media to present our message on.

For those who are not aware of the situation, this little one hour video is quite informative.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6632255652046262625#

[hazek]

Propaganda is stupid the way you fight propaganda is expose it. You think people are gona be happy if they find out you brain washing them?

The only way you can effectively expose it is to first shut it down and remove the subject from under it's influence. Until then your attempts will be futile.

[satchelmcqueen]

so if i win the 500m race...i actually lost.....interesting....

[Dr.3D]

so if i win the 500m race...i actually lost.....interesting....

That's the way it works when those reporting the results of the race don't like the winner.

[Badger Paul]

Cillizza is hardcore anti-Paul. Take his crap the same as the neocons, outside.

[Galileo Galilei]

His speech was so bad that he only won the straw poll.

Joke.

[FSP-Rebel]

I would expect nothing less from the washington compost.

[Brian4Liberty]

At least they mentioned Ron Paul. If you watch Fox News, you wouldn't know who came in First or Third in the Straw Poll. Of course this particular article employs the invisible man strategy against GJ...

[TCE]

Someone has to look at this from a neutral perspective, so I guess it'll be me. He has an excellent point and it's one we've known about for a long time. To get the Republican nomination, you have to get Neo-Con votes and they are pro-interventionism and love wars. He exaggerates some by claiming we're a small sliver, since 4-10% (depending on polling agency) is not small since it is a consistent 4th/5th place finish, but his point is worth considering.

Ron has a choice if he runs, does he want to be a philosopher or an actual candidate? If the former, then go for it and talk about the wars and how you want to end them. If the latter, then stop talking about the wars and focus on these winning issues: Spending, the Debt, and how jobs would be created in a true free market. As Rand can attest to, those are winning issues. Separate yourself by saying how $32 billion in cuts is peanuts, we have to cut more.

For everyone: We have to stop taking everything as a direct assault on us. Yes, the media is biased, but they typically have good points as well. In this case, the take home message is to stop talking about being anti-war if you want to get elected as a Republican. Just ask Rand. If he'd have come out against every war as strong as Ron has, he'd have gotten smashed by Grayson. Unfortunately, I don't think Ron will back off his anti-war message, but it would be in his best interest from an electability standpoint.

[hazek]

Someone has to look at this from a neutral perspective, so I guess it'll be me. He has an excellent point and it's one we've known about for a long time. To get the Republican nomination, you have to get Neo-Con votes and they are pro-interventionism and love wars. He exaggerates some by claiming we're a small sliver, since 4-10% (depending on polling agency) is not small since it is a consistent 4th/5th place finish, but his point is worth considering.

Ron has a choice if he runs, does he want to be a philosopher or an actual candidate? If the former, then go for it and talk about the wars and how you want to end them. If the latter, then stop talking about the wars and focus on these winning issues: Spending, the Debt, and how jobs would be created in a true free market. As Rand can attest to, those are winning issues. Separate yourself by saying how $32 billion in cuts is peanuts, we have to cut more.

For everyone: We have to stop taking everything as a direct assault on us. Yes, the media is biased, but they typically have good points as well. In this case, the take home message is to stop talking about being anti-war if you want to get elected as a Republican. Just ask Rand. If he'd have come out against every war as strong as Ron has, he'd have gotten smashed by Grayson. Unfortunately, I don't think Ron will back off his anti-war message, but it would be in his best interest from an electability standpoint.

Or.. Or! and here's a crazy thought..

Maybe just maybe the GOP voters are changing? I mean I know it's a crazy idea that people could change their minds and support a new philosophy but just maybe! :rolleyes:


Face it it's propaganda that has one and only purpose. To keep us at bay and prop up the status quo.

[Bruno]

Ron Paul is like Toto, and this is them shouting, "Do not look at the man behind the curtain!"

[QueenB4Liberty]

Ron Paul is like Toto, and this is them shouting, "Do no look at the man behind the curtain!"

Yeah I like this analogy. The Washington Post is a joke.

[AGRP]

If Ron Paul is the loser does that make Trump the winner?

[KramerDSP]

Ron Paul is like Toto, and this is them shouting, "Do not look at the man behind the curtain!"

If Ron Paul is toto, the Mainstream Media is Officer Barbrady from South Park.

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd332/akgrizzly/southpark/OfficerBarbrady.gif

[TCE]

Or.. Or! and here's a crazy thought..

Maybe just maybe the GOP voters are changing? I mean I know it's a crazy idea that people could change their minds and support a new philosophy but just maybe! :rolleyes:


Face it it's propaganda that has one and only purpose. To keep us at bay and prop up the status quo.

Have you seen all of the Republican freshmen, specifically their votes on the PATRIOT Act? The GOP electorate has not changed. The only thing that has changed is us presenting them with electable libertarian-leaning Republicans, otherwise, same old GOP voters.

[Tal]

TCE the way to win this battle is to stick to our guns ideologically and educate people, not to compromise and become neo-con lights.

Time is on our side in the long run anyway I think, the internet has broken the media blackout that socialist leaning journalists used to have and the coming bankruptcy and dramatic drop in living standards that is coming within not too many years for westerners will greatly soften up the people who think the western world can afford being so engaged in all these wars.

I dont think the liberty cause will be strengthened in the long run by a Ron Paul that abandons his principles, he may win the election and become president but that is only 1 battle, it doesnt mean we win the war of ideas in the long run.

[parocks]

Or.. Or! and here's a crazy thought..

Maybe just maybe the GOP voters are changing? I mean I know it's a crazy idea that people could change their minds and support a new philosophy but just maybe! :rolleyes:


Face it it's propaganda that has one and only purpose. To keep us at bay and prop up the status quo.


GOP voters might very well be changing. GOP voters did not want to hear anything that sounded like Bush bashing when Bush was President. But Bush is not the President. Obama is. Criticizing current policy is criticizing Obama. And that's ok to do now. Bush is also falling in disfavor among conservatives. Rove attacking Christine O'Donnell separated Bush the RINO from good conservatives. Bush's war policies, which were neocon policies, are RINO policies. Because Bush was a RINO in everything else. Spread that message.

Here's a link to some polls you might want to bring Ron Paul up on, and a decent place to get the message out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2673221/posts

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/02/13/lets-try-this-again-post-cpac-straw-poll-seriously-dont-acorn-it/comment-page-1/#comment-85438
This is a link to a hotair poll. It might be good to do that one.

[DamianTV]

Isn't that hilarious?

I'm thinking this may blow up on them. Almost everyone who knows about Ron, and he now has 70% name recognition, know his supporters think media is biased against him. they can now judge for themselves.

^wins thread

[Eric21ND]

This is the Washington Posts Bahgdad Bob moment.

[itshappening]

Someone has to look at this from a neutral perspective, so I guess it'll be me. He has an excellent point and it's one we've known about for a long time. To get the Republican nomination, you have to get Neo-Con votes and they are pro-interventionism and love wars. He exaggerates some by claiming we're a small sliver, since 4-10% (depending on polling agency) is not small since it is a consistent 4th/5th place finish, but his point is worth considering.

Ron has a choice if he runs, does he want to be a philosopher or an actual candidate? If the former, then go for it and talk about the wars and how you want to end them. If the latter, then stop talking about the wars and focus on these winning issues: Spending, the Debt, and how jobs would be created in a true free market. As Rand can attest to, those are winning issues. Separate yourself by saying how $32 billion in cuts is peanuts, we have to cut more.

For everyone: We have to stop taking everything as a direct assault on us. Yes, the media is biased, but they typically have good points as well. In this case, the take home message is to stop talking about being anti-war if you want to get elected as a Republican. Just ask Rand. If he'd have come out against every war as strong as Ron has, he'd have gotten smashed by Grayson. Unfortunately, I don't think Ron will back off his anti-war message, but it would be in his best interest from an electability standpoint.

the wars are linked to the debt and spending, since they're very costly and need to be cut.

so you want Ron to be another GOP hack who doesn't talk about stuff that should be talked about..

Rand addressed Iraq, Afghanistan and said we need a declaration of war in both of the primary and general election, He also appeared on anti-war.com a few times during his campaign

[hazek]

I dont think the liberty cause will be strengthened in the long run by a Ron Paul that abandons his principles, he may win the election and become president but that is only 1 battle, it doesnt mean we win the war of ideas in the long run.

I never once proposed such a thing. All I'm saying is that we as a movement need to realize that people make decisions based on emotions, specifically their beliefs and values which were fed to them by the media and unless we find a way to package our message to get it inline with their emotions Paul doesn't have a chance.

It's not surrendering your principles but it's using propaganda to convince people that they want a man with your principles which is exactly what the status quo is doing right now.

[fisharmor]

If Ron Paul is toto, the Mainstream Media is Officer Barbrady from South Park.

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd332/akgrizzly/southpark/OfficerBarbrady.gif

Hah- anyone remember the episode where he learns to read, and the first thing he's given is a copy of Atlas Shrugged? He reads it through and announces that it was a piece of crap and he's never reading anything again.


In this case, the take home message is to stop talking about being anti-war if you want to get elected as a Republican.

Except, and here's the crazy part, except that the Democrats have proved to the world that they are as pro-war as the Republicans.
An awful lot of people have made this their single issue.
And RP is the only person in government anywhere who is on the record as saying "I will bring home all the troops immediately".
Not "I'll start to scale back in 18 months (and then conveniently forget that I said any such thing)", but "immediately".

If the Republicans want to beat Obama, I mean if they want to pound that sucker into the ground like a circus tent peg, that's the only way it's going to happen.
He lied. Not just about taxes - Obama lied, and people died.
And no other Republican will ever even bring it up.
RP wouldn't even bring it up, it would be the centerpiece of every single debate. Obama vs Paul in debate? Obama doens't even have to bother to put a suit on - it'll save Paul some of the effort of the dressing-down Obama would get.

This is the real reason the media is so against Paul: he is the only viable threat to a 2nd Obama term. And the war is part of that threat.