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RonPaulFanInGA
02-12-2011, 06:25 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49412.html


A prominent conservative activist group has given Ron Paul the boot.

The Young Americans for Freedom has voted the Texas congressman off its national advisory board in the aftermath of his straw poll win at CPAC over his positions on national security issues.
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"It's a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative/libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America's needs for national security then our current socialist presidential regime," said the group's national director Jordan Marks.

The dispute between Paul and the the group seems to stem from Paul's anti-war activities and the prominence of his supporters at conservative events like CPAC.

"Rep. Paul is clearly off his meds and must be purged from public office. YAF is starting the process by removing him from our national advisory board. Good riddance and he won't be missed," added Marks.

"I hadn't heard of YAF doing anything in years, I thought they were defunct. Young Americans for Liberty is the group of the future," said Ron Paul's political director (and in-law) Jesse Benton in an email to POLITICO.

low preference guy
02-12-2011, 06:26 PM
Young Americans for Fascism

TheState
02-12-2011, 06:26 PM
Just ignore them, they're looking for publicity.

doctor jones
02-12-2011, 06:29 PM
Someone's off their meds, it ain't Doc Paul. I never saw one member from YAF at CPAC. As for YAL, well, no way anyone missed us.

UtahApocalypse
02-12-2011, 06:30 PM
"It's a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative/libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America's needs for national security then our current socialist presidential regime,"

"It's a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative/libertarian stalwart group has fallen more out of touch with America's needs for national security then our current socialist presidential regime"

erowe1
02-12-2011, 06:31 PM
The next press release from the nearly defunct YAF will be their endorsement of Obama after Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination.

FrankRep
02-12-2011, 06:31 PM
Campus Liberty Alliance (http://www.campuslibertyalliance.com/)

- CLA on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/CampusLibertyAlliance)

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/27556_188467256649_2047_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/CampusLibertyAlliance)

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 06:32 PM
And picks today, of course. It was trending on twitter along with Ron's win, clearly planned that way. YAF started as a Goldwater group but was long since taken over by people like that Sorba guy who caused a scene at CPAC last year by denouncing CPAC for inviting GOProud.

There are reasons YAL had to start, and it is a competitor in any event, so Ron probably shouldn't be on both, since YAF can't compete nicely. YAF probably gets people in thinking that Ron being on their board means something, and it is false advertising.

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 06:32 PM
Campus Liberty Alliance (http://www.campuslibertyalliance.com/)

- CLA on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/CampusLibertyAlliance)

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/27556_188467256649_2047_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/CampusLibertyAlliance)

Why not YAL?

brandon
02-12-2011, 06:43 PM
Excellent response from Benton.

Hawk5
02-12-2011, 06:44 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49412.html

This is what they focus on when Ron Paul just got 30% of the vote at CPAC?

brandon
02-12-2011, 06:45 PM
wow wtf. How does this small group have any relevance at all? If YAL did something similar to one of the establishment candidates it would go completely unreported.

Cowlesy
02-12-2011, 06:46 PM
Excellent response from Benton.

+1.

Screw YAF.

I think YAL members outnumbered YAF members about 100 to 1.

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 06:46 PM
They twittered it to taint his win, but it has already been posted. YAF was started by Goldwater Republicans but was taken over long ago, which is why YAL had to be created. Ron probably didn't want to yank his name from something he'd been associated with for so long, but people are probably drawn in by his name anyhow, which is false advertising. This is the group Sorba, who made that huge scene over GOProud, belongs to. You remember the guy who 'condemned' CPAC while on stage for letting GOProud be there, and when our guys booed him, said they 'booed worse than the lesbians at Smith college'?

No loss.

Austin
02-12-2011, 06:47 PM
Just ignore them, they're looking for publicity.
Bingo. They're trolling for press.

Benton had a wonderful response.

brandon
02-12-2011, 06:47 PM
Not sure how the google news algorithm works, but I would suggest going to GNews and clicking the story beneath the headline "Conservatives again back Ron Paul for presidential nominee" to give it more hits.

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 06:49 PM
I posted this:


LOL!

Do you know who these guys are? Sorba, who got up on stage at CPAC last year and 'condemned' CPAC for allowing GOProud to be there, and was booed off stage was YAF.


YAF was first started by Goldwater conservatives long ago, and at one time Ron Paul's association was natural. I'm sure it still has a lot of good kids in it, and I'm sure they know how to find Young Americans for Liberty, where the cool kids are.

BamaFanNKy
02-12-2011, 06:50 PM
They twittered it to taint his win, but it has already been posted. YAF was started by Goldwater Republicans but was taken over long ago, which is why YAL had to be created. Ron probably didn't want to yank his name from something he'd been associated with for so long, but people are probably drawn in by his name anyhow, which is false advertising. This is the group Sorba, who made that huge scene over GOProud, belongs to. You remember the guy who 'condemned' CPAC while on stage for letting GOProud be there, and when our guys booed him, said they 'booed worse than the lesbians at Smith college'?

No loss.

Words of a wise man on how GOP deserted Barry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-Py4KgoSk&feature=fvsr

AGRP
02-12-2011, 06:50 PM
Young Americans for Freedom?

Are they kind of like McDowells version of McDonalds in Coming to America?

mnewcomb
02-12-2011, 06:51 PM
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."

- Ronald Reagan

Epic
02-12-2011, 06:51 PM
So, they kick Ron out for being popular and actually having supporters show up at a conservative conference.

The reason they give is Ron's foreign policy views which haven't changed for years.

Then, they endorse Obama, showing that YAF is a big-government "conservative" group.

This shows that Ron Paul is finally a threat, and the establishment is running scared.

Oh yeah, the neoconservatives are returning to the left, from whence they came.

FrankRep
02-12-2011, 06:51 PM
Young Americans for Freedom?

Are they kind of like McDowells version of McDonalds in Coming to America?

YAF started in the 1960s.

BamaFanNKy
02-12-2011, 06:53 PM
Jesse nailed it. I get hammered because I complimented Jesse for what he did with Senator Paul. Jesse has been coming into his own.

Here is the douche talking crap:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/files/tmp/JordanMarks-2.jpg

RyanRSheets
02-12-2011, 06:54 PM
I LOL'd, especially at Jesse Benton's response.

hxxp://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49412.html

BamaFanNKy
02-12-2011, 06:55 PM
Jesse is coming into his own. He's learned from past mistakes and did a hell of a job in the Kentucky General in 2010. He was the needed change for the 2010 campaign.

jct74
02-12-2011, 06:55 PM
It's hilarious, but already been posted twice.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?279196-YAF-kicks-out-Ron-Paul
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?279202-Google-News-Headline-YAF-Kicks-Out-Ron-Paul

RyanRSheets
02-12-2011, 06:56 PM
Sorry, should have searched I guess.

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 07:02 PM
By the way, why is this in Rand Paul forums?

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 07:03 PM
I commented there:


LOL!

Do you know who these guys are? Sorba, who got up on stage at CPAC last year and 'condemned' CPAC for allowing GOProud to be there, and was booed off stage was YAF.


YAF was first started by Goldwater conservatives long ago, and at one time Ron Paul's association was natural. I'm sure it still has a lot of good kids in it, and I'm sure they know how to find Young Americans for Liberty, where the cool kids are.

Hawk5
02-12-2011, 07:04 PM
Oops, clicked on the wrong thing i guess.

libertybrewcity
02-12-2011, 07:13 PM
whatever
..

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 07:14 PM
Someone just posted this video as a GREAT response to that


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flJvKPM_Nf4

brandon
02-12-2011, 07:15 PM
My girlfriend glanced at the computer while I was looking at this and asked "Why are you looking at pictures of faggy metrosexuals?"

HOLLYWOOD
02-12-2011, 07:18 PM
Young Americans for Freedom?

Are they kind of like McDowells version of McDonalds in Coming to America?

+rep... so true

Big Mic vs. Big Mac

FrankRep
02-12-2011, 07:19 PM
Why not YAL?

I completely overlooked Young Americans for Liberty (http://www.yaliberty.org/). It wasn't intentional.

libertybrewcity
02-12-2011, 07:19 PM
YAF=Defunct

YAL=Alive, well, and growing

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 07:22 PM
//.

axiomata
02-12-2011, 07:32 PM
Anyone a member of YAF? (I doubt it.) But if you are, I think a resignation is in order.

Cowlesy
02-12-2011, 07:38 PM
For this,

I did this,


Dear Cowlesy,

Your contribution of $100.00 was received. Thank you for your support!

We are building a youth movement for liberty across the country, and your
contribution makes it all possible.

I'll be sure to keep you informed of our progress as we train, educate,
organize, and mobilize tomorrow's leaders.


For liberty,
Jeff Frazee
Executive Director, YAL
jeff.frazee@yaliberty.org


Confirmation code:
R20GP8LAM61B

__27__
02-12-2011, 07:44 PM
Is this not the same group that went on a "******" tirade last year because GOProud was allowed to attend? These people believe in freedom like madonna believes in abstention.

economics102
02-12-2011, 07:45 PM
I'm appalled to learn Ron Paul was ever even ON the board of YAF or in any way associated with them! He must have forgotten to cancel his membership :)

Anyone who saw YAF's douchebag president Ryan Sorba at last year's CPAC knows that any group he's the president of is to be disregarded. Further, any group that would put out an official statement using juvenile language like "Ron Paul is clearly off his meds" is not worthy of respect or serious consideration regardless of one's political leanings. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with a group like that.

Cowlesy
02-12-2011, 07:49 PM
merged YAF threads.

sailingaway
02-12-2011, 08:12 PM
Is this not the same group that went on a "******" tirade last year because GOProud was allowed to attend? These people believe in freedom like madonna believes in abstention.

Yep, that is the same charming folks.

PatriotOne
02-12-2011, 08:17 PM
They just put the final nail in their own coffin. I predict a mutiny of those left. The comments to the article on their website are not kind to them.

http://www.yaf.com/blog_post/show/57

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-12-2011, 08:17 PM
Words of a wise man on how GOP deserted Barry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-Py4KgoSk&feature=fvsr

Hell yeah. I like this man. If the GOP was Taft and Goldwater today, I would be a lot less hostile, though obviously disagree on a good deal, but hell at least it would be a 'decent' option.

Imagine if the GOP was the party today of;

Taft
Goldwater
Coolidge
Ron Paul
Howard Buffett
America First Committee

I could deal with that.

Cowlesy
02-12-2011, 08:19 PM
merged in another YAF/RP thread.

Imaginos
02-12-2011, 08:25 PM
Young Americans for Fascism

+1

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-12-2011, 08:27 PM
So, they kick Ron out for being popular and actually having supporters show up at a conservative conference.

The reason they give is Ron's foreign policy views which haven't changed for years.

Then, they endorse Obama, showing that YAF is a big-government "conservative" group.

This shows that Ron Paul is finally a threat, and the establishment is running scared.

Oh yeah, the neoconservatives are returning to the left, from whence they came.

It would give me great joy if all the leftists were exiled from the 'right' and we actually returned to what the American 'right' used to stand for -- all the things Ron Paul embodies (taking into account his 1988 position on Immigration :p).

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-12-2011, 08:29 PM
If anyone is unaware there are two staunch libertarian groups that we all should support -- Young Americans for Liberty and Students for Liberty. Both are tremendous groups.

__27__
02-12-2011, 08:37 PM
If anyone is unaware there are two staunch libertarian groups that we all should support -- Young Americans for Liberty and Students for Liberty. Both are tremendous groups.

Yep, YAL member. They've been great, we've even got the old marxist profs talking. We held the first anti-war rally on our campus since the 70s and the profs loved it. Ironic too because its a very liberal campus but we were the only group in more than 30 years to do this...

Agorism
02-12-2011, 08:42 PM
We should attend their meetings, get elected and fire all their leadership.

Zatch
02-12-2011, 08:43 PM
This is like Michael Savage taking swipes at Hannity and Limbaugh. Ron Paul is more influential than them so they are taking a swipe at him to boost their visibility.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-12-2011, 08:47 PM
Yep, YAL member. They've been great, we've even got the old marxist profs talking. We held the first anti-war rally on our campus since the 70s and the profs loved it. Ironic too because its a very liberal campus but we were the only group in more than 30 years to do this...

Are you guys in talks with SFL? It would be great to have multi-campus rallies for peace, markets, and liberty between the two. There are a ton of Murray supporters in SFL.

Agorism
02-12-2011, 08:54 PM
Here's there website

http://www.yaf.com/

Most neoconservative organizations or just a few guys on the internet, and most of the membership overlaps with other bogus organizations they launch as Scott Horton once said on his show.

Agorism
02-12-2011, 09:15 PM
nm

PatriotOne
02-12-2011, 09:27 PM
CPAC 2011: The Straw Poll AftermathPosted Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:11 PM | By David Weigel

http://www.slate.com/BLOGS/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/02/12/cpac-2011-the-straw-poll-aftermath.aspx

The very moment that Ron Paul won the straw poll, I was handed a press release from Young Americans for Freedom: "NATION'S OLDEST CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN ACTIVIST GROUP EXPELS RON PAUL FROM ADVISORY BOARD." YAF's senior national director Aaron Marks was quoted saying Paul was "clearly off his meds," and that YAF was "more aligned with Obama" than Paul on national security.

angelatc
02-12-2011, 10:57 PM
Anti-Paul CPAC flier: http://plixi.com/p/76812493

Badger Paul
02-12-2011, 11:09 PM
"“Who would have ever thought that we would see the day when YAF was more aligned with the Obama administration than a formerly conservative Republican congressman? "

So I take it if Paul wins the GOP nomination they're going to endorse Obama?

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-12-2011, 11:14 PM
Our fliers are all about substance, policy, principles and philosophy, voting record, etc. You can tell who the shallow ones are by contrasting our grassroots compared to the Neo-Cons.

HOLLYWOOD
02-13-2011, 12:13 AM
So... the thing is... who got to YAF? Money or a promissory note from some NEOCON. Everything in politics is done for a reason. Even the timing here exploits this operation. Follow the money/grants/deals.

here's YAF updates

hxxp://www.yaf.com/blog_post/show/57


UPDATED : Nation’s Oldest Conservative-Libertarian Activist Group Expels Ron Paul from Advisory Board
Written by YAF Pack on February 12, 2011, 06:16 PM
MEDIA REQUESTS: info@yaf.com (202) 596-7923

(Washington DC - 2/12/11) The National Board of Young Americans for Freedom (YAF)—America's oldest conservative-libertarian activist group—has, per curium, voted to purge Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) from YAF’s National Advisory Board.

YAF’s concern with Rep. Paul stems from his delusional and disturbing alliance with the fringe Anti-War movement.

“It is a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative-libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America’s needs for national security than the current feeble and appeasing administration,” said YAF’s Senior National Director Jordan Marks.

Paul, who had served on the YAF Advisory Board for more than two decades, was awarded with YAF’s highest honor, the Guardian of Freedom award, an honor Rep. Paul has touted on his biography for many years. Only a decade ago, Dr. Paul praised YAF’s work on the House floor. Paul called YAF’s founding document, the Sharon Statement “a great document explicating the philosophy of freedom.” (http://books.google.com/books?id=qpoBclbmhZ4C&pg=PA14077&lpg=PA14077&dq=%22guardian+of+freedom%22+yaf+%22ron+paul%22&source=bl&ots=s7FtVN1QnE&sig=75kYGB_izABq1YHzGanhBP4BKw0&hl=en&ei=Hi1XTfygKcGBlAfLqqHsBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22guardian%20of%20freedom%22%20yaf%20%22ron%20p aul%22&f=false)

The Sharon Statement (http://yaf.com/sharonstatement/), clearly states: “American foreign policy must be judged by this criterion: does it serve the just interests of the United States?”

"History has shown that periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies."

“Freedom and prosperity cannot peacefully exist alongside radical Islam. It is unfortunate that Ron Paul--a member of the U.S. Congress-- does not understand this. Surely, our enemies do.”

Young Americans for Freedom celebrated its 50th Anniversary in October 2010. The National Board of YAF made its decision to expel Dr. Paul during its annual Board meeting held early Saturday afternoon. Young Americans for Freedom helped to found the Conservative Political Action Conference 38 years ago.

“Who would have ever thought that we would see the day when YAF was more aligned with the Obama administration than a formerly conservative Republican congressman? Rep. Paul's refusal to support our nation’s military and national security interests border on treason, aside from his failure to uphold his oath to the United States Constitution and defend our country and citizens against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” Marks continued.

“Rep. Paul has strayed to the left of Obama and allied himself with the radical anti-war left by laying the blame on America for the unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11th. Additionally, Rep. Paul has not condemned the 9/11 "Truther" conspiracy theorists that support him, and he has repeatedly insisted, that the United States not bring justice to those who have murdered thousands of our civilians and soldiers at home and abroad. This is simply unacceptable. Clearly Rep. Paul cares more about a doomed presidential run than he does our country,” Marks added.

YAF National Chairman Michael Jones issued the following statement:

"The United States is in a time of economic crisis, but this is no excuse to abandon the principles that have built this great country and spread its ideals to the darkest recesses of the planet. The United States is the world's leader--a beacon of light for the wretched and the oppressed. God has blessed the United States with liberty and the strength and heart to spread that liberty to all of his children. Rep. Paul has abandoned this mission, abandoned the United States' citizens, and abandoned the citizens of the world in their quest for their God-given natural rights."

Young Americans for Freedom is the nation’s oldest, largest, and most active conservative - libertarian youth organization. YAF was started at the estate of William F. Buckley, Jr. in 1960 to uphold the principles of the Sharon Statement. To learn more about the Sharon Statement and YAF please visit www.YAF.com (http://www.YAF.com).

CONTRIBUTE TO YAF: WWW.YAF.COM/CONTRIBUTE (http://www.yaf.com/CONTRIBUTE)

FrankRep
02-13-2011, 12:14 AM
Young Americans for Freedom is the nation’s oldest, largest, and most active conservative - libertarian youth organization. YAF was started at the estate of William F. Buckley, Jr.


William F. Buckley, Jr strikes again! Purge the Constitutionalists!

__27__
02-13-2011, 12:19 AM
Are you guys in talks with SFL? It would be great to have multi-campus rallies for peace, markets, and liberty between the two. There are a ton of Murray supporters in SFL.

I'm not really sure, I don't have much time to be active with full time work/full time school/full time family/other commitments, but I'm probably the best tool they have for rallies like this. You see, I'm also a member and President of my campus's chapter of Student Veterans of America, it was especially rewarding for me to be able to say at the rally when accused of not supporting our vets, "On the contrary, I'm not only a vet I'm the President of SVA here and I can tell you first hand that I care deeply for my brothers and sisters, and it is for that reason that I am here today." ;)

anaconda
02-13-2011, 12:20 AM
Looks like YAF has at least two members.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-13-2011, 12:23 AM
Looks like YAF has at least two members.

I wonder if they bunked together at CPAC. They surely have the metrosexual look down pat. ::lol::

__27__
02-13-2011, 12:25 AM
"The United States is the world's leader--a beacon of light for the wretched and the oppressed. God has blessed the United States with liberty and the strength and heart to spread that liberty to all of his children."

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/puking.gif

JohnnyRocko
02-13-2011, 12:42 AM
http://truthsquad.tv/?p=358

__27__
02-13-2011, 12:48 AM
http://truthsquad.tv/?p=358

"Editor Danny Panzella confronted Christopher Bedford who complained that Ron Paul supporters heckled American hero Dick Cheney"

I'm all out of puke for these people.

Philhelm
02-13-2011, 12:51 AM
I wonder how many folks in YAF are veterans? Rhetorical question.

sailingaway
02-13-2011, 12:53 AM
If anyone is unaware there are two staunch libertarian groups that we all should support -- Young Americans for Liberty and Students for Liberty. Both are tremendous groups.

I believe Students for Liberty is the Koch funded one, right? Do the Koch policies filter down to the kids?

BuddyRey
02-13-2011, 12:53 AM
"editor danny panzella confronted christopher bedford who complained that ron paul supporters heckled american hero dick cheney"

roflmao!!!!

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-13-2011, 12:59 AM
I believe Students for Liberty is the Koch funded one, right? Do the Koch policies filter down to the kids?

I am unsure of that, but of all the SFL things I've seen they are Misesians, and many many support Rothbard. I mean they have tons of seminars with Block, Woods, etc. The SFL group here at UWM is amazing. Also check out their site.

http://studentsforliberty.org/

I am pretty sure they aren't funded by the Koch's as they wouldn't be hosting so many LvMI events and promoting the likes of Rothbard. They are also in the midst of a large Bastiat movement. <3

They have love for C4SS, YAL, Freeman, LEONARD LIGGIO, LvMI, all on their homepage. Definitely not Kochs.

anaconda
02-13-2011, 01:30 AM
"The United States is the world's leader--a beacon of light for the wretched and the oppressed. God has blessed the United States with liberty and the strength and heart to spread that liberty to all of his children."

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/1/puking.gif

Who said this? Gingrich? Jindal? funny post

jrskblx125
02-13-2011, 01:30 AM
What a bunch of publity seeking noobs. How was he ever in their club if hes always been anti preemptive war!?

sailingaway
02-13-2011, 01:35 AM
I am unsure of that, but of all the SFL things I've seen they are Misesians, and many many support Rothbard. I mean they have tons of seminars with Block, Woods, etc. The SFL group here at UWM is amazing. Also check out their site.

http://studentsforliberty.org/

I am pretty sure they aren't funded by the Koch's as they wouldn't be hosting so many LvMI events and promoting the likes of Rothbard. They are also in the midst of a large Bastiat movement. <3

They have love for C4SS, YAL, Freeman, LEONARD LIGGIO, LvMI, all on their homepage. Definitely not Kochs.

If you go to their site it says they trace their roots to Koch, and they have a paid stipend internship fellowship thing with some Koch group....at least they did when I looked them up a week ago.

sailingaway
02-13-2011, 01:38 AM
What a bunch of publity seeking noobs. How was he ever in their club if hes always been anti preemptive war!?

They were started in the 60s by Goldwater Republicans but when the social cons came in because it was the only youth group around, they started calling the Goldwater types lazy fairies (lassais faire) because they weren't neurotic about gays and didn't freak out over marijuana. The Goldwater types became revolted and left, over the years. I guess Ron didn't have enough contact with them to be utterly revolted and forgot he had the membership, from Jesse's comment.

anaconda
02-13-2011, 01:40 AM
Here's there website

http://www.yaf.com/

Most neoconservative organizations or just a few guys on the internet, and most of the membership overlaps with other bogus organizations they launch as Scott Horton once said on his show.

I managed to locate a YAF promotional video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNftqfvQ6os

jct74
02-13-2011, 05:50 AM
LOL, compare and contrast...

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/yaf.com#
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/yaliberty.org#

YAL is the future.

TNforPaul45
02-13-2011, 09:35 AM
Words of a wise man on how GOP deserted Barry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-Py4KgoSk&feature=fvsr

WHOAA

Bama that is an amazing interview/debate that I've never seen before. I've never heard that Rockefeller offered Goldwater the job if he could be on the ticket. Love how the host ended the interview quickly after that statement too.

That's big!

Unspun
02-13-2011, 09:54 AM
I am pretty sure they aren't funded by the Koch's as they wouldn't be hosting so many LvMI events and promoting the likes of Rothbard. They are also in the midst of a large Bastiat movement. <3

They have love for C4SS, YAL, Freeman, LEONARD LIGGIO, LvMI, all on their homepage. Definitely not Kochs.

The Institute for Humane Studies is funded largely in part by the Koch Foundation. Their summer internship program is titled "The Charles G. Koch Summer Fellowship Program." And yet, when you go to the organization's events Mises, Bastiat, and Rothbard are always discussed. They have guest lectures from Rodrik Long, Richard Ebeling--who is a great professor and literally wrote the book on Mises, as well as people affiliated with the LvMI such as Art Carden, Peter Klein, Mario Rizzo, George Selgin, Larry White, and Dan D'Amico. All people who have given lectures at LvMI and/or are affiliated with the Institute in some capacity or another.

So this whole Koch vs. LvMI is perpetuated by the imagination of a few select people who try and spread this division nonsense. Most young people should not care what has happened in the past, because, believe it or not, it is in the past and hardly concerns us directly.

sailingaway
02-13-2011, 09:56 AM
The Institute for Humane Studies is funded largely in part by the Koch Foundation. Their summer internship program is titled "The Charles G. Koch Summer Fellowship Program." And yet, when you go to the organization's events Mises, Bastiat, and Rothbard are always discussed. They have guest lectures from Rodrik Long, Richard Ebeling--who is a great professor and literally wrote the book on Mises, as well as people affiliated with the LvMI such as Art Carden, Peter Klein, Mario Rizzo, George Selgin, Larry White, and Dan D'Amico. All people who have given lectures at LvMI and/or are affiliated with the Institute in some capacity or another.

So this whole Koch vs. LvMI is perpetuated by the imagination of a few select people who try and spread this division nonsense. Most young people should not care what has happened in the past, because, believe it or not, it is in the past and hardly concerns us directly.

That is why I asked. When I tried to find out more about them I found the Koch stuff, but I'm not personally familiar with the group. Hence the question.

However, I was more concerned with the Koch antipathy to Ron than to LvMI, and noted SforL was guesting Gary Johnson.

Unspun
02-13-2011, 10:03 AM
That is why I asked. When I tried to find out more about them I found the Koch stuff, but I'm not personally familiar with the group. Hence the question.

However, I was more concerned with the Koch antipathy to Ron than to LvMI, and noted SforL was guesting Gary Johnson.

From my direct experience of working with the people of SFL, it is an incredible group of young people who want to advance ideas and the philosophy which guides free individuals and free market principles. Many of them were brought to the movement by Ron Paul and LvMI. I am friends with several of the executive board members and SFL campus organizers personally and on Facebook and everyone who posted of the YAF news were thoroughly disgusted.

sailingaway
02-13-2011, 10:08 AM
From my direct experience of working with the people of SFL, it is an incredible group of young people who want to advance ideas and the philosophy which guides free individuals and free market principles. Many of them were brought to the movement by Ron Paul and LvMI. I am friends with several of the executive board members and SFL campus organizers personally and on Facebook and everyone who posted of the YAF news were thoroughly disgusted.

Thanks.

lester1/2jr
02-13-2011, 10:24 AM
young americans for freedom of military contactors and arab dictators to make more billions off taxpayers

sailingaway
02-13-2011, 11:18 AM
"The interesting thing is..." I read on a putrid blog that was cheering YAF on, that YAF had the papers 'breaking with Ron Paul' ready to go at CPAC and started handing them out there. Twitters certainly crossed tweets of Ron's CPAC win. This was retaliation for Sorba, YAF's president, being booed off stage by Ron Paul's audience before Ron came on last year, when Sorba stood on stage and 'condemned' CPAC for inviting GOProud.

Whenever we comment on it, we should put this in that context because it makes it clear what utter douches YAF are. Particularly to students.

johnrocks
02-13-2011, 11:21 AM
Excellent response from Benton.

Yep....
""I hadn't heard of YAF doing anything in years, I thought they were defunct. Young Americans for Liberty is the group of the future," said Ron Paul's political director (and in-law) Jesse Benton in an email to POLITICO.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49412.html#ixzz1DrPnGuVE


Best part of the article,lol.

messana
02-13-2011, 12:11 PM
Their youtube promo for cpac even had Rand Paul on it.

sailingaway
02-13-2011, 01:06 PM
I just posted this at Atlantic where they have YAF's 'meds' quote as the quote of the day and actually had to sign up for a Twitter account (which I've shunned) so I hope my sacrifice inspires you all. :p


You know who 'Young Americans for Freedom' are, don't you? It was Sorba, the president of that group that stood on stage at CPAC 2010 and 'condemned' CPAC for allowing GOProud to attend. He was booed off stage and blamed Ron Paul, since the people who booed him off were waiting to hear Ron Paul speak. In fact, his last words as he slithered off the stage were to call out the head of Young Americans for Liberty (which started as Students for Ron Paul) and say 'You have made an enemy of me!'

So this time, knowing Ron Paul was going to win the straw poll again, his group came armed with notices they were yanking an association I am certain Ron Paul had long since forgotten he still had, back from when YAF started as a Goldwater conservative group. They handed these out and started tweeting that they were yanking the association as Ron Paul's win of the CPAC straw poll was announced.

I am fascinated that you find these trolls to be amusing.

anaconda
02-13-2011, 07:24 PM
WHOAA

Bama that is an amazing interview/debate that I've never seen before. I've never heard that Rockefeller offered Goldwater the job if he could be on the ticket. Love how the host ended the interview quickly after that statement too.

That's big!

Why would that dude not like Rand? Rand is more conservative than Goldwater.

PermanentSleep
02-13-2011, 08:46 PM
Someone just posted this video as a GREAT response to that


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flJvKPM_Nf4

Hell of a video!