Goal NOT Reached - What does this mean?

[dt_]

were the campaign's expectations simply too high? or is the momentum slowing? :/

[terlinguatx]

...

[q_castic]

When's the last time you saw over $400,000 in 3 days?

[FrankRep]

The West coast is our only hope. It's not 12 there yet. 3 more hours.

[Politicallore]

woot!

[njandrewg]

it means we raised more cash in 3 days than what Huckabee raised this whole month

[uncloned21]

were the campaign's expectations simply too high? or is the momentum slowing? :/

it means go to bed and get some rest so you can perform well at work and get a raise for ron. yes, raises for ron. now go to bed everyone sheesh =)

[terlinguatx]

...

[jjockers]

Neither. Our previous high in one day from last quarter was around 120k. We've surpassed that by 30k 3 times in the past 5 days. Also, this does not include offline donations, which likely will cover the missing 30k.

Edit* And of course the west coasters' donations.

[CJLauderdale4]

This means that we were able to come 90%+ to our goal. If we do this with the Q4 $12M goal, we'll be showing the world that we are growing and winning, not slowing...

Keep the Hope...

[dt_]

the countdown has ended, though

I hope they still accept donations for this very cause. If it takes one more day or so to get to the goal than so be it. RP needs exposure in NH!

[deedles]

why did the counter go to 2 days?

[bitchinskidmarks]

Isn't there a few hours left for our Western brothers to make up the gap?

[njandrewg]

+ that most likely does not include offline donations, and at least offline donations for this day

[dt_]

why did the counter go to 2 days?

What? It shows 0 days for me.. O_o

[brumans]

The counter is aligned with your computer time. If you change your computer time to 11:00 PM the timer will say we have an hour left. Therefore, the people not in the eastern time zone still have time.

[dsentell]

Momentum is definitely NOT slowing!

Have you looked at the graphs? Momentum is growing!!!!! :) :) :)

[Kacela]

it means go to bed and get some rest so you can perform well at work and get a raise for ron. yes, raises for ron. now go to bed everyone sheesh =)

It was like watching the ball drop in Times Square on New Year's eve :P

[Seth M.]

It means you are complaining. :P

[kaleidoscope eyes]

it means go to bed and get some rest so you can perform well at work and get a raise for ron. yes, raises for ron. now go to bed everyone sheesh =)
aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnndd.... I'm spent! ;P

[tiznow]

it means we raised 402k in 3 days instead of desired 430k....:rolleyes:

[steph3n]

just as a FYI, there was a large group of people at $500 each to see Dr Paul yesterday as well :)
Not sure the exact count, but by video it may be as many as 35-40 people.

That would be 15k right there :)

[Original_Intent]

Someone HAD to post a doom and gloom post because the goal was missed!:mad:

We just had the best fundraising day of the quarter!
The third best day of the quarter was also during this project, last Saturday!
The second best day of the quarter was last Thursday!

The three best days of the quarter have all been in the last five days! That is awesome, and frankly the donations are going to slow for a few days just like they did after the big Q3 push. Anyone who doesn't expect that has unrealistic expectations.

We did GREAT! If we didn't miss a goal now and then we would be aiming too low!

[GML3G]

the countdown has ended, though

I hope they still accept donations for this very cause. If it takes one more day or so to get to the goal than so be it. RP needs exposure in NH!

They have already spent the $430k. This fundraiser was intended to replenish the money he has in the bank, putting him back at $5.4M (minus other assorted campaign spending).

[Taco John]

I'm in the Pacific time zone, and it says zero days, zero hours, zero seconds...

[Paulitician]

It means Ron Paul is going to quit

[uncloned21]

They have already spent the $430k. This fundraiser was intended to replenish the money he has in the bank, putting him back at $5.4M (minus other assorted campaign spending).

its been 1.7 mil donated since the 5.4 was announced.

a fair estimate might be 6+ mil on hand after buying the radio ads

[Energy]

The counter counts back based on your computer's clock. So the west coasters have less than 2 hours :)

We still did impressive. Celebrate the success and continue spreading Ron's message.

[steph3n]

just bought 1.1 million in TV ads tooooo.....

[honkywill]

If the rate of donations for these past 3 days could hold for a month we would easily hit 4mil.

That's what this means.

[Cali4RonPaul]

No worries we did great everyone! we will hit the target by tomorrow morning. The Campaign set the bar high, and we answered.. will meet our target but within a few hours not too shabby.

[Zydeco]

Goal was too high. I mean, Monday was the best and Saturday was the 3rd best day of the quarter, and we still didn't make it?

Goal was too high.

[dsentell]

It means Ron Paul is going to quit

Ha Ha Ha, yeah, he obviously has no support ...................

[blamx8]

It was less than 3 days of online donations because of the time that the website was down during the debate last night! :)

[rajibo]

It means set your system clock back 3 hours and start the countdown again.

WooHoo!

[honkywill]

The counter counts back based on your computer's clock. So the west coasters have another hour :)

We still did impressive. Celebrate the success and continue spreading Ron's message.

no it doesn't.

[Hook]

It has no bearing on whether the ads get out or not. The campaign has millions left in the warchest. It is just a way of motiviating people to donate now rather than later.
Don't panic.

[TyTodd]

One thing about the three day goal: it included saturday and sunday, which are typically slower days for donations. Sunday specifically probably kept this goal from being reached. I think it is amazing that the campaign raised >$400k over the weekend. Good stuff. We are not yet in Obama / Clinton fundraising territory, but we are definitely doing well...

[steph3n]

Goal was too high. I mean, Monday was the best and Saturday was the 3rd best day of the quarter, and we still didn't make it?

Goal was too high.

was/is good to be challenged, that was the whole point I think.

[wolv275]

rejoice people 400k in 3 days is awesome....

[Mark]

.

Over $400,000.. VERY VERY good..

and it's NOT midnight EXCEPT on the East Coast..




http://godmark.com/images/radc.jpg

.

[steph3n]

rejoice people 400k in 3 hrs is awesome....

days ;) weekend days....

[honkywill]

rejoice people 400k in 3 hrs is awesome....

3 hours?!;)

[Cali4RonPaul]

rejoice people 400k in 3 hrs is awesome....

400K in 3 hrs? hehe 3 days. ;)

[Paul4Prez]

its been 1.7 mil donated since the 5.4 was announced.

a fair estimate might be 6+ mil on hand after buying the radio ads

We're within $30,000 of TEN MILLION for the year: $8.268M raised through 9/30/07.

[Paulitician]

it means we raised more cash in 3 days than what Huckabee raised this whole month
I like your perspective on things :D

[Energy]

Plus donations mailed Friday and through the weekend are still being delivered as we speak.

[Kacela]

.

Over $400,000.. VERY VERY good..

and it's NOT midnight EXCEPT on the East Coast..




http://godmark.com/images/radc.jpg

.

My mother-in-law was born in North Grosvenordale :eek:

[rs3515]

Three things to consider:

He just had the best single day of online contributions! Awesome!
Whether it does or doesn't include West Coast donations is not really important ... believe it or not most (sane) Easterners go to bed before midnight. :) If the counter is left up, it could very well be at 430k in the next few hours.
More incentive for all of us to double our efforts to educate people about Dr. Paul!

[rajibo]

.

Over $400,000.. VERY VERY good..

and it's NOT midnight EXCEPT on the East Coast..




http://godmark.com/images/radc.jpg

.

Isn't that Sematary on that image?

[rs3515]

My mother-in-law was born in North Grosvenordale :eek:

Huh? Over 400k and it says 1 day/23 hours to go? Different time frames for different time zones?

[csen]

I think it's hilarious and amazing that some of us are disappointed over raising $400k in 3 days. It wasn't that long ago it took us half a month to raise that much. I look forward to similar threads next month when we'll be disappointed that we only raised half a million in two days.

[Mark]

My mother-in-law was born in North Grosvenordale :eek:

wow.. that's a TRIP.. I had ANOTHER screenshot.. and..

I 'captured' that one because of the unusual town name..

and your mom-in-law was born there...



The Force is STRONG with Dr Ron Paul. :D

[alien]

The West coast is our only hope. It's not 12 there yet. 3 more hours.

The counter has run out for Central time. is it showing time in other time zones?

[Mark]

Huh? Over 400k and it says 1 day/23 hours to go? Different time frames for different time zones?

it just changed to that after 00:00 ... don't know why..

[Cali4RonPaul]

We did good.

[hopeforamerica]

Thank you! (10/23/07)

You raised $403,059.21 during the last three days for broadcasting our new radio ad in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada. Thank you!

This set an impressive pace, and keeps us well on our way to our fourth quarter goal of $12,000,000!

Jonathan Bydlak
Fundraising Director

[davidhperry]

Remember what goals are for: you aim above the mark to hit the mark. Honestly, I didn't think we'd pull in this much in this short period of time. Historically, Sunday and Monday or two of the slower days with donations. We set the record for most money raised in 24 hours for October. It shows that HQ has a lot of faith in us.

[C4de]

Remember what goals are for: you aim above the mark to hit the mark. Honestly, I didn't think we'd pull in this much in this short period of time. Historically, Sunday and Monday or two of the slower days with donations. We set the record for most money raised in 24 hours for October. It shows that HQ has a lot of faith in us.

That's actually one of the most intelligent things I've read on this site. With that said, I want us to HIT $12 million this quarter, not $10 million, regardless of how impressive the $10 million would be.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

That's actually one of the most intelligent things I've read on this site. With that said, I want us to HIT $12 million this quarter, not $10 million, regardless of how impressive the $10 million would be.

Find more donors.

[richard1984]

Remember what goals are for: you aim above the mark to hit the mark. Honestly, I didn't think we'd pull in this much in this short period of time. Historically, Sunday and Monday or two of the slower days with donations. We set the record for most money raised in 24 hours for October. It shows that HQ has a lot of faith in us.

Yeah. Right on!
I'm going to bed.
Peace!!! :D

[hopeforamerica]

Thank you! (10/23/07)

You raised $403,059.21 during the last three days for broadcasting our new radio ad in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada. Thank you!

This set an impressive pace, and keeps us well on our way to our fourth quarter goal of $12,000,000!

Jonathan Bydlak
Fundraising Director

[wgadget]

Lady Liberty is back!

[rs3515]

Find more donors.

Hear hear ... another extremely intelligent and astute comment. The more people who are interested, the more donors ... the more donors, the easier it is to reach the targets.

From even a short time on these forums, it's very clear to me there are a lot of very dedicated and committed people. However all of you can only do so much, and contribute so much ... the bigger success is based on our ability to get the word out in a positive and enthusiastic manner, without overselling.

Keep up the great work!!

[Second_Tier_My_Ass]

They won't use this money until tomorrow morning anyway, at the earliest. I don't know why they always make the deadlines at the end of the day. The internet seems to attract lots of folk who stay up way later than the average person. They should start making the deadlines 8 AM the next day. If they did that, we would have easily reached this goal. They'll still have $430k tomorrow morning when they want to actually spend it. If they would alter the way they set up these things, it would make it look much better for the campaign. But now the MSM gets to say we didn't reach the goal, even though he'll have all the money he needs tomorrow morning when he goes to spend it.

[Shogun108]

it means we raised more cash in 3 days than what Huckabee raised this whole month

News flash! Huckabee has raised $ 332,266.04 in the past five days!

[anotherone]

News flash! Huckabee has raised $ 332,266.04 in the past five days!


That is complete BS.

Huck has been raising that money since Oct 1. We've raised over $1,700,000.00 in that amount of time. We're miles and miles of MH.

[njandrewg]

News flash! Huckabee has raised $ 332,266.04 in the past five days!
negative ghost rider, that was for the whole month. And even then he was at a mere 75K before the values voter forum, that helped boost him to 200K, and the current boost is due to everyone fellating him for apparently winning the debate:rolleyes:

Huckabee is being propped up by the Rudy camp, in order to screw Mitt Romney. They know Huckster's Iowa win won't amount to anything because he deosn't have the cash or support outside of the state, and won't be able to run a campaign.

[Shogun108]

That is complete BS.

Huck has been raising that money since Oct 1. We've raised over $1,700,000 in that amount of time. We're miles and miles of MH.

All right so I'll take the money since october 1st to five days ago out of the picture...

I believe that was about $ 60,000 So you know what Huck has stronger backing than you think. And don't call someone's post BS. You sound like a complete moron... :p

Oh well accept it or not Huck has even had to change servers because his contribution and traffic reached such a high level.


Huckabee is being propped up by the Rudy camp, in order to screw Mitt Romney.

HAHA! I guess some of you guys do have a sense of humor. Here I thought you where all like anotherone, but you are still overly critical and that reduces your credibility.

[njandrewg]

and it seems Shogun has an agenda:


"This Libertarian refuses to vote for him and for the record I am not "uniformed" I respect your misconception that I be pert of the forces, but I cannot take the honor upon myself. Wait? did you mean "UnINformed?" That I can assure you I am not..."

"I bet at this point you wander why I do not support Ron Paul? Well I have my reasons. One glaring one is his tax policy (I'll explain in my blog) and foreign policy. I have others, but I'll stay there for now"

"Voted, but not for Paul =P"

"You guys should feel intimidated. Especially since Huck has gained in Iowa."

and of course your latest gem claiming Huckabee raised that much in 5 days, when anyone following that weakling's financial performance would know that the amount is actually for the whole month.

But I don't blame you for being on Ron Paul forums...who would want to go to Huckabee forums with a population of 23 people, who bible thump each other and discuss which minority to ethnically cleanse next.

[SouthernGuy15]

It means we are still doing GREAT! We need to keep on spreading the word about Ron Paul!

[njandrewg]

All right so I'll take the money since october 1st to five days ago out of the picture...

I believe that was about $ 60,000 So you know what Huck has stronger backing than you think. And don't call someone's post BS. You sound like a complete moron... :p

Oh well accept it or not Huck has even had to change servers because his contribution and traffic reached such a high level.
the only reason Huckster is at 300K now is because he got fellated by the values voters forum and the FOX debate. This guy is a prop and has no real chance at winning the nomination...he offers absolutely nothing to anyone who is not a bible thumper.

No it doesnt mean that he has stronger backing...in fact thats PATHETIC...for someone who gets labeled a dark horse, its PATHETIC for someone who is supposed to have the whole social conservative movement behind him.

FACT: Ron Paul raised more money in 3 days, than Huckabee raised in 23

[ClayTrainor]

no one supporting another candidate really survives on these forums

we support the constitution and free speech, so we dont ban u, like many of the other candidates forums will for bringing up Ron Paul.

Shogun, i suggest you stop trying, complete waste of time... go try to get some more Huck donations or something, he's gonna need alot to keep up with us.

[speciallyblend]

You raised $403,059.21 during the last three days for broadcasting our new radio ad in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada. Thank you!

This set an impressive pace, and keeps us well on our way to our fourth quarter goal of $12,000,000!

Jonathan Bydlak
Fundraising Director

[Shogun108]

and it seems Shogun has an agenda:

and of course your latest gem claiming Huckabee raised that much in 5 days, when anyone following that weakling's financial performance would know that the amount is actually for the whole month.

But I don't blame you for being on Ron Paul forums...who would want to go to Huckabee forums with a population of 23 people, who bible thump each other and discuss which minority to ethnically cleanse next.

Ok guys so what I'm a Huck supporter in the Ron Paul Forums. Maybe I'm interested in the Dr? The reception I receive tells me wonders about you guys! I enjoy you bashing me. It makes me feel all the more correct. Ignore me or silence me, but you know what? You guys need to stop being such close minded adamants and simply accept and analyze the opponent's view.

I guess objectivity is impossible with some people though...

[njandrewg]

no one supporting another candidate really survives on these forums

we support the constitution and free speech, so we dont ban u, like many of the other candidates forums will for bringing up Ron Paul.

Shogun, i suggest you stop trying, complete waste of time... go try to get some more Huck donations or something, he's gonna need alot to keep up with us.

agreed...all these negative attacks against Ron Paul and the supporters has entrenched our support for Ron Paul. Why? Because we had to hear every single argument someone like Shogun might present a thousand times over. And we had time to decide for ourselves which way to go.

[Shogun108]

no one supporting another candidate really survives on these forums

we support the constitution and free speech, so we dont ban u, like many of the other candidates forums will for bringing up Ron Paul.

Shogun, i suggest you stop trying, complete waste of time... go try to get some more Huck donations or something, he's gonna need alot to keep up with us.

I will not go away! I simply refuse... Bash me! I enjoy it! Like I said it shows me exactly how logical you guys are. It tells me you'd rather attack me than debate me...

Survive HA whatever! have fun guys while you bash me. It will give me ammo to remove your support on many of my close neighbors. I suggest you pick your words carefully...

[Seth M.]

Ok guys so what I'm a Huck supporter in the Ron Paul Forums. Maybe I'm interested in the Dr? The reception I receive tells me wonders about you guys! I enjoy you bashing me. It makes me feel all the more correct. Ignore me or silence me, but you know what? You guys need to stop being such close minded adamants and simply accept and analyze the opponent's view.

I guess objectivity is impossible with some people though...

Spit out the bones man... welcome to the forums.. Im glad you could make it.. :)


Not that you expected a warm hug or anything.. ;)


What pushes you to support Huck? Im curious.

[Shogun108]

agreed...all these negative attacks against Ron Paul and the supporters has entrenched our support for Ron Paul. Why? Because we had to hear every single argument someone like Shogun might present a thousand times over. And we had time to decide for ourselves which way to go.

You know what this is simply amazing. You think I'm attacking Ron Paul? Wow that is quite a joke. I respect the man and in fact he is my second choice for president! Sure you have heard the arguments but you have never addressed them... that is your flaw...

[davidhperry]

But I don't blame you for being on Ron Paul forums...who would want to go to Huckabee forums with a population of 23 people, who bible thump each other and discuss which minority to ethnically cleanse next.

Chill dude, not cool. I know you're kidding and everything but that's a bit much. If the Huck dude wants to come check out our site, let him. No need to feel threatened - if Huck was going to catch on, he would have by this point. As everyone can plainly see, he's hanging in long enough to get the VP nod.

[davidhperry]

What pushes you to support Huck? Im curious.

I was about to ask that too - do tell.

[ClayTrainor]

I will not go away! I simply refuse... Bash me! I enjoy it! Like I said it shows me exactly how logical you guys are. It tells me you'd rather attack me than debate me...

Survive HA whatever! have fun guys while you bash me. It will give me ammo to remove your support on many of my close neighbors. I suggest you pick your words carefully...

u want a debate? give me something to debate you about and u got it.

I didnt bash you at all... just made a suggestion... we've had many people like you here before, for multiple candidates, and im saying they dont last, im guessing your time devoted here, could be better served for your candidate if you are trying to get donations and promote his message to people you think will understand it, afterall, that is what we do.

I will respect you and not bash you... tell me what you want to debate about and u got it my friend.

[nayjevin]

What does it mean? Who cares? It is what it is.

The campaign set a goal.

Grassroots set another one.

The people fell 35,000 short of the campaign's goal.

Let's see what we can do between the 5th & 11th of November.

[njandrewg]

You know what this is simply amazing. You think I'm attacking Ron Paul? Wow that is quite a joke. I respect the man and in fact he is my second choice for president! Sure you have heard the arguments but you have never addressed them... that is your flaw...
I did not say you attacked...I said we heard your "arguments"...and I use that term loosely time and time again.

Ok what arguments do you have against Ron Paul that forces you to support Huckabee? (the mere fact that you support Huckabee over Paul, just goes to show me that you haven't done your research)

[Shogun108]

Spit out the bones man... welcome to the forums.. Im glad you could make it.. :)


Not that you expected a warm hug or anything.. ;)


What pushes you to support Huck? Im curious.

Of course I did not expect a warm reception. If I wanted to be liked I would have not registered! At least some people here are sensible... Thank you Seth.

I like his government downsizing ideals, but there are some issues such as the economy which I think he could do better on. I'd explain here, but I have already elsewhere. here (http://millerkevd.wordpress.com/):rolleyes:

[ClayTrainor]

it's amazing how you support Huck, and then choose Paul as your 2nd choice?

Do you realize how wildly different their views are?

[njandrewg]

Of course I did not expect a warm reception. If I wanted to be liked I would have not registered! At least some people here are sensible... Thank you Seth.

I like his government downsizing ideals, but there are some issues such as the economy which I think he could do better on. I'd explain here, but I have already elsewhere. here (http://millerkevd.wordpress.com/):rolleyes:
wtf you just want to blog spam...do you honestly expect ANYONE to read all that crap? How about some cliff notes?

What are top 3 issues that are important to you

[Cali4RonPaul]

All right so I'll take the money since october 1st to five days ago out of the picture...

I believe that was about $ 60,000 So you know what Huck has stronger backing than you think. And don't call someone's post BS. You sound like a complete moron... :p

Oh well accept it or not Huck has even had to change servers because his contribution and traffic reached such a high level.



HAHA! I guess some of you guys do have a sense of humor. Here I thought you where all like anotherone, but you are still overly critical and that reduces your credibility.

Thats excellent, I hope Huck will continue his rise, because it can only be at the expense of the top tier, The Republican Coalition is so fractured right now, We hope you will do your part and take evangelical support away from Romney, paving the way for Ron Paul victories on the early primary states, NH is ours. Divide up the others and help Ron Paul thanks. You think Huck is underestimated, Ron Paul supporters are coming from all walks of life, 1st time voters, independents, libertarians, freedom lovers, democrats, taft republicans etc. etc. the MSM cant put their finger on us, be prepared for a big shock come voting time. Huck's support base is spent, they are getting so turned off from politics they might have a small rally at the polls towards the ends but it will only add to confusion.

[njandrewg]

it's amazing how you support Huck, and then choose Paul as your 2nd choice?

Do you realize how wildly different their views are?
thats because Hucakbee tries to play the "conservative" role in the debates and fools people who do not take the time to review his record.

[davidhperry]

Of course I did not expect a warm reception. If I wanted to be liked I would have not registered! At least some people here are sensible... Thank you Seth.

I like his government downsizing ideals, but there are some issues such as the economy which I think he could do better on. I'd explain here, but I have already elsewhere. here (http://millerkevd.wordpress.com/):rolleyes:

He talks a lot about shrinking government but his record is just the opposite. I mean, they call him "Tax Hike Mike" for a reason - the size of the Arkansas budget ballooned during his tenure. Like you said, do we really an economy like the one in Arkansas? (Hint: NO!) Even the roads are hideous, have you ever driven in Arkansas? :mad:

[ClayTrainor]

Shogun...from your article

"I think preemptivity is justified for our national defense. True I want our troops home as much as any American, but not now! When we can leave with honor then we can leave."

When will this honor be earned? what do we need to do to have honor?

Pre-emptive war is a scary premise, it can be so misused and gives the president too much power.

if america is under imminent attack, then yes, pre-emptive war may be necessary, but nothing in iraq suggested we were under imminent attack.

[njandrewg]

Shogun...you do realize your ass will be the first one drafted when we bog down in Iran?

[Shogun108]

it's amazing how you support Huck, and then choose Paul as your 2nd choice?

Do you realize how wildly different their views are?

Yes I do, but these two are the only two true Republicans on the ballots the front runners are liberals. Paul is a Libertarian with some values against my own, but otherwise he is similar to my own beliefs.

Top Three issues: War, Economy, Freedom

No Paul: Leaves Iraq, Supports Lazzie-Faire, However he is amazing with bureaucracy!

Yes Huckabee: Will stay till victory, Fair Tax, Could be better with government waste programs...

Also I do not intend to spam your forums, but don't you think we are off topic now? :p Email me or go to the thread about me in these forums. Right now your just flooding this topic with irrelevant posts. I still would like to debate... but not here...

[Shogun108]

Shogun...you do realize your ass will be the first one drafted when we bog down in Iran?

Sure! I assure you though I will voulenteer WAY before I am drafted!

[Lord Xar]

Ok guys so what I'm a Huck supporter in the Ron Paul Forums. Maybe I'm interested in the Dr? The reception I receive tells me wonders about you guys! I enjoy you bashing me. It makes me feel all the more correct. Ignore me or silence me, but you know what? You guys need to stop being such close minded adamants and simply accept and analyze the opponent's view.

I guess objectivity is impossible with some people though...

You are playing the victim to lend credibility to your cause. You came here preaching wrong numbers and pushing an agenda. I am not sure what you would expect.

Think on this for a quick second. We allow you to post here and be part of the team and we are not disparaging you until you lay claim to inaccurate fundraising numbers and become obvious.. but know this. The WHOLE MSM machine and all its affiliate neo-conned websites are banning Ron Paul, not because of any MSM generated keywords - like "crazy or insane etc..", but because freedom is popular and if you are truly informed you would know the grave danger this country faces. You would read up on it and find out why Ron Paul is spreading like wildfire and why the powers that be IGNORE AND BELITTLE HIM.

Does a lion acknowledge an ant that crosses its path? No, it doesn't. But if that lion sees a threat, what does it do?

You see, the more they ignore and condemn Ron Paul, the more telling it is.

Also, why would you support Huckster when he is obviously coveting Ron Paul's positions verbatim. He sees how powerful it is. Also, Huckster is pro-amnesty and voted down a bill to forbid illegals from voting.. so, his honour is in question. He is shill for the establishment.

Watch this youtube video. I watched it today. Its rather poignent, and only Ron Paul has a bearing of the troubles that are approaching..

Naomi Wolf's lecture called the 'End of America'

P.S. There is nothing very fair about the fair tax, its still a huge amount. I'd rather pay NO federal taxes, than a pretty worded one called "fair tax".

[Shogun108]

if america is under imminent attack, then yes, pre-emptive war may be necessary, but nothing in iraq suggested we were under imminent attack.

All right this is my last response in this thread. I just would like to ask you to remember 9/11. These are not peaceful times ClayTrainor we have a group of people ready to attack us at home...

[Kacela]

Of course I did not expect a warm reception. If I wanted to be liked I would have not registered! At least some people here are sensible... Thank you Seth.

I like his government downsizing ideals, but there are some issues such as the economy which I think he could do better on. I'd explain here, but I have already elsewhere. here (http://millerkevd.wordpress.com/):rolleyes:

Shogun108 - I just read your blog comparison between Paul and Huckabee - You have been misinformed about Dr. Pauls stance on foreign policy. You imply that International law takes precedence with him, and that is totally opposite of his position - that's why he wants us out of all the sovereignty-endagering globalist organizations like the WTO... You also imply that Dr, Paul is FOR the UN - again your blog is wrong. Dr. Paul wants us out of the UN as fast as possible! You need to correct your blog ( http://millerkevd.wordpress.com/ )

[Gimme Some Truth]

All right so I'll take the money since october 1st to five days ago out of the picture...

I believe that was about $ 60,000 So you know what Huck has stronger backing than you think. And don't call someone's post BS. You sound like a complete moron... :p

Oh well accept it or not Huck has even had to change servers because his contribution and traffic reached such a high level.



HAHA! I guess some of you guys do have a sense of humor. Here I thought you where all like anotherone, but you are still overly critical and that reduces your credibility.


Ok talk to him about credibility when you don't lie about Huckerbee's fundraising.

You are very welcome here. However, dont expect a red carpet when you say your here with an open mind and then lie to make your chosen candidate seem more credible.

Ron raised over 1.7 mill in the time huckerbee raised that small amount.

Ron raised 5.4 mill in the last quarter whilst huckerbee barely got 1mill ( i believe- correct me if i am wrong on huckerbees Q3 earnings)

[ClayTrainor]

Disagree with Shogun all you want, but he is right about one thing

we are throwing this Thread way off topic.

If you want to debate him, go to this thread

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=26381&highlight=shogun

[literatim]

Of course I did not expect a warm reception. If I wanted to be liked I would have not registered! At least some people here are sensible... Thank you Seth.

I like his government downsizing ideals, but there are some issues such as the economy which I think he could do better on. I'd explain here, but I have already elsewhere. here (http://millerkevd.wordpress.com/):rolleyes:

Didn't Huckabee raise taxes in Arkansas far and above what Clinton ever did when he was Governor?

Also, do you support his pro-illegal immigration stances?


Y
No Paul: Leaves Iraq, Supports Lazzie-Faire, However he is amazing with bureaucracy!

Yes Huckabee: Will stay till victory, Fair Tax, Could be better with government waste programs...

May I ask what victory in Iraq actually is?


Sure! I assure you though I will voulenteer WAY before I am drafted!

You do realize that if the war spreads in Iran, we are looking at World War 3? No one wins in World War 3.


All right this is my last response in this thread. I just would like to ask you to remember 9/11. These are not peaceful times ClayTrainor we have a group of people ready to attack us at home...

Neither Iraq nor Iran attacked us.

[njandrewg]

All right this is my last response in this thread. I just would like to ask you to remember 9/11. These are not peaceful times ClayTrainor we have a group of people ready to attack us at home...

Iraq did not attack us on 9/11...netiehr did Iran.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, have done thousands of things worse to us than those countries. Do you know that Saudi Arabia refused to arrest the guys who the CIA knows FINANCED the 9/11 attacks? With friends like these who needs enemies.

[nayjevin]

why are you guys talking about this here?

have you mistaken this forum for a recreational one?

[davidhperry]

Yes I do, but these two are the only two true Republicans on the ballots the front runners are liberals. Paul is a Libertarian with some values against my own, but otherwise he is similar to my own beliefs.

Top Three issues: War, Economy, Freedom

No Paul: Leaves Iraq, Supports Lazzie-Faire, However he is amazing with bureaucracy!

Yes Huckabee: Will stay till victory, Fair Tax, Could be better with government waste programs...

Also I do not intend to spam your forums, but don't you think we are off topic now? :p Email me or go to the thread about me in these forums. Right now your just flooding this topic with irrelevant posts. I still would like to debate... but not here...

Since your top issue is the war, why are you going along with a guy who has never even served in the military? Given the fact that Ron Paul served for 5 years and that he receives the most financial support than from any other candidate (republican or democrat), he's got more credibility on the war/foreign policy issues.

[Lord Xar]

All right this is my last response in this thread. I just would like to ask you to remember 9/11. These are not peaceful times ClayTrainor we have a group of people ready to attack us at home...

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. You remember 9/11, and the lies that were perpertrated to lend an invasion valid. Then when those reasons were shown to be outright lies.. nothing was done. We pressed forward. Then greenspan admits it was about oil.

"IF" we cared about getting those terrorists, then we would have took Ron Paul's advice and huned them down. We didnt. Instead we waged a unconstitutional war to further our nation building agenda.

Shogun, YOU REMEMBER 9/11. Our Policians used that terrible attack to further their agenda, not justice. Thousands have died, yet we are no closer to our goal....

Who is the real villian. The politician who sends its followers to a wicked war with no end in site under false pretenses. To divest from the negativity of NO EVIDENCE of WMD and no reason to 'really' invade, we then move the focus to a "just war" - implying good vs. evil.... also known as ... Christianity vs. muslim.... now, we see new keywords propping up "islofascism" to lend a name to this evil.

THERE IS NO EVIL. Its fucking fabricated to promote war and profit and foreign interventioin and nation building. It is using religion now... to gain its ends...

[Lord Xar]

why are you guys talking about this here?

have you mistaken this forum for a recreational one?

hahhaha.. you are right. I was getting all aggro.

I don't understand these people. I think a sick part of me thinks they are actually Ron Paul supporters undercover to make us more jacked for Ron Paul. When these types come here they just motivate me more. Its midnight right now and I am a second away from going and posting on polls.. you know.... so funny.

[davidhperry]

While I was looking for information to debate this guy, I pulled up Huck's wikipedia page. I know it's wikipedia so you can't be 100% confident in what it says without another source. However, it's a stark reminder of how off base this guy is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee

[Shogun108]

All right this spamming is going too far guys... sheesh go to this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=26381

[dmspilot00]

edit: posted in the other thread instead

[saku39]

hahhaha.. you are right. I was getting all aggro.

I don't understand these people. I think a sick part of me thinks they are actually Ron Paul supporters undercover to make us more jacked for Ron Paul. When these types come here they just motivate me more. Its midnight right now and I am a second away from going and posting on polls.. you know.... so funny.

I am the same way. Whenever I see a mis-reported Ron Paul news story on TV or in the paper, I take serious offense and get that much more motived.

Whenever I see George Stephanopolous or Brit Hume, I think about how much I would like to fight them in a parking lot. After I come to my senses, I either write a letter explaining the mistakes and asking them to be corrected or print up flyers to pass out or I donate more money.

It's getting worse actually. I've donated 3 times in the past 3 days.

After seeing the NBC News piece and deciding it wasn't long enough or positive enough.
After watching the debates Sunday with that stacked neo-con live crowd and that rigged focus group.
After I saw the recent problem with RedState.

[SouthernGuy15]

We don't need the Fair Tax!

We need to reduce the size of government, bring our troops home, and with all the saved money we would not need ANY new tax to replace the income tax!

[Revolution9]

All right so I'll take the money since october 1st to five days ago out of the picture...

I believe that was about $ 60,000 So you know what Huck has stronger backing than you think. And don't call someone's post BS. You sound like a complete moron... :p

Oh well accept it or not Huck has even had to change servers because his contribution and traffic reached such a high level.



HAHA! I guess some of you guys do have a sense of humor. Here I thought you where all like anotherone, but you are still overly critical and that reduces your credibility.

Your creds are taking a dive rather quickly. 27 posts ..heh.. You sound like an abderitic drooldonkey calling someone a moron for calling a BS post a BS post.

:cool:
Randy

[Revolution9]

All right this is my last response in this thread. I just would like to ask you to remember 9/11. These are not peaceful times ClayTrainor we have a group of people ready to attack us at home...

NEOCON SHILL ALERTY>> I knew I smelled something fishy from this clown. He wants fucking thermonuclear war. 911 my royal fucking ass. Yeah I remember it.. and some neocons are gonna hang from some lampposts when all is said and done. Yer one of them asshats whose paradigm is basically.."when Saddam flew those planes into those towers I knew it was time to kick Iranian ass".

:cool:
Randy

[Shogun108]

NEOCON SHILL ALERTY>> I knew I smelled something fishy from this clown. He wants fucking thermonuclear war. 911 my royal fucking ass. Yeah I remember it.. and some neocons are gonna hang from some lampposts when all is said and done. Yer one of them asshats whose paradigm is basically.."when Saddam flew those planes into those towers I knew it was time to kick Iranian ass".

:cool:
Randy

:D I just couldn't pass this up. This is too funny! :D Oh wait your serious... :eek:

hehe... sorry I find it funny, but you know what the way you put it was just too much.


Your creds are taking a dive rather quickly. 27 posts ..heh.. You sound like an abderitic drooldonkey calling someone a moron for calling a BS post a BS post.

And I'm sure you do a lot to your's by looking at a joke post seriously. Wow you Paulites have the funniest sense of humor... Not only that, but it is hard for you to decipher jibes with attacks. You did see my smiley right? Oh well... :p Have fun taking sarcasm seriously ;)

[steph3n]

shogun,

if we have these terrorist waiting to attack us at home, they will succeed unless we stand up and defend OUR country. right now we have little to no military here, even our national guard that includes many firemen, police, next door neighbors, the community jack of all trades, are across the world fighting a battle that has already been won!

however if I every encounter a terrorist plot they perp won't make it long, because I will DIE for my right to live here and take them down with me.

Terrorist want some of us? come get it, and die. Citizen awareness network!


(I am serious about taking out someone if I encounter them with such a plot, but note some of my tone here is exaggerated) ;)


:D I just couldn't pass this up. This is too funny! :D Oh wait your serious... :eek:

hehe... sorry I find it funny, but you know what the way you put it was just too much.



And I'm sure you do a lot to your's by looking at a joke post seriously. Wow you Paulites have the funniest sense of humor... Not only that, but it is hard for you to decipher jibes with attacks. You did see my smiley right? Oh well... :p Have fun taking sarcasm seriously ;)

[TruckinMike]

If Thomas Jefferson was reading this thread he would say.. Where is the Militia?;)

TruckinMike

[steph3n]

If Thomas Jefferson was reading this thread he would say.. Where is the Militia?;)

TruckinMike

It is in my closet, I can arm the town :D

[LibertyEagle]

They won't use this money until tomorrow morning anyway, at the earliest. I don't know why they always make the deadlines at the end of the day. The internet seems to attract lots of folk who stay up way later than the average person. They should start making the deadlines 8 AM the next day. If they did that, we would have easily reached this goal. They'll still have $430k tomorrow morning when they want to actually spend it. If they would alter the way they set up these things, it would make it look much better for the campaign. But now the MSM gets to say we didn't reach the goal, even though he'll have all the money he needs tomorrow morning when he goes to spend it.

This is the 2nd time they have set such a goal. The other time was the end of quarter numbers. They do not dictate when the end of quarter is, it is the FEC!

[kylejack]

For missing our goal, you're all sentenced to pass out no less than 100 slimjims this week.

[Channing]

I don't think we should focus too much on the money being raised. What's more important is what each of us can do raise awareness of Ron Paul in their immediate surroundings. What I think impresses voters more than the amount of money being raised is the grass roots support of Ron Paul. So let's not neglect that.

[me3]

Don't feed the trolls.

[kylejack]

I don't think we should focus too much on the money being raised. What's more important is what each of us can do raise awareness of Ron Paul in their immediate surroundings. What I think impresses voters more than the amount of money being raised is the grass roots support of Ron Paul. So let's not neglect that.

I think, both. Ron's going to use this money like a hammer in New Hampshire and other early primary states. He's kept his administrative costs and his incidental costs extremely low and run a very frugal campaign, so I think we owe him every dollar we can afford, knowing that its going directly to the advertising hammer. Ideally I'd like to see us out there waving signs armed with laptops with mobile connectivity and/or forms and envelopes to collect instant donations in the field.

[KewlRonduderules]

Don't feed the trolls.


Bingo!!!