Patriot Act Extension FAILS

[AGRP]

Thanks to your dedicated efforts, the motion to suspend the rules and pass the extension of three PATRIOT Act provisions failed tonight in the House of Representatives! Since they were attempting to pass it on the suspension calendar, the vote required two thirds (290 members) of the House to agree to it.

The vote came down to the wire, and you could hear the arms breaking on Capitol Hill out here in Springfield, VA.

By a vote of 277-148, the House failed to pass the extension - click here for the roll call vote to see how your representative voted! (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll026.xml)

Thanks again for all you've done, but remember, we can't let up pressure now. This won't be the last we've heard of the PATRIOT Act renewal in the House.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=40663

Here is the House Clerk's diary entry denying extension of unPATRIOT Act provisions: http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html?day=20110208&today=20110208

[Sola_Fide]

Great!

[Zap!]

Utah rep. Jason Chaffetz voted yes. Disgusting, and we all liked him. :(

[AGRP]

Ryan (WI) ---- YEA

[Zap!]

Can someone break down the list? I would like to see who the Republican no's were.

[Kregisen]

Jeff Flake voted for it?? So much for being one of the best congressmen in the nation...

[ItsTime]

Small victory. Big government Bass from New Hampshire voted for it as well.

[Kotin]

utah rep. Jason chaffetz voted yes. Disgusting, and we all liked him. :(


wtf??

[Sola_Fide]

Flake and Chaffetz voted for it???

Wow. They really go down a notch or two in my book for that...

[Zap!]

Only 27 Republicans care about liberty. Oh well, at least the number is growing.

[amy31416]

My new tea-party driven congressman voted for it. Not surprised.

[Baptist]

Freshman Morgan Griffith (R VA 9th) voted yes the fraud. He went to every Tea Party event in the 9th and promised that he would never vote YES to a bill he has not read. I doubt he has read the PATRIOT ACT.

[Zap!]

wtf??

The other Utah Rep., Rob Bishop, voted no. We'll have to get behind him to challenge Se.n Orin Hatch.

[amy31416]

Bachmann voted for it, of course.

[Anti Federalist]

Small victory. Big government Bass from New Hampshire voted for it as well.

So did "Tea Party" Guinta in the 1st district.

PoS...

Really not surprising when push comes down to shove.

[akforme]

Flake and Chaffetz voted for it???

Wow. They really go down a notch or two in my book for that...

This is my litmus test, if you vote for it, you are no friend of liberty.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

opencongress.org

call your congressman's/woman's office and tell them when the bill comes up again in a few days to vote NO!

THIS IS IMPORTANT! THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN!

[Fox McCloud]

how many "Tea Party" Republicans voted no?

[ItsTime]

So did "Tea Party" Guinta in the 1st district.

PoS...

Really not surprising when push comes down to shove.

'Live Free and Get Spied On'

[Danke]

My new tea-party driven congressman voted for it. Not surprised.

Well, at least you acknowledged he is yours. That is a first step in voting recovery.

[Anti Federalist]

how many "Tea Party" Republicans voted no?

---- YEAS 277 ---

Ackerman
Adams
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Austria
Baca
Bachmann
Bachus
Barletta
Barrow
Barton (TX)
Bass (NH)
Benishek
Berg
Berkley
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Black
Blackburn
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boren
Boswell
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brooks
Buchanan
Bucshon
Buerkle
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carter
Cassidy
Castor (FL)
Chabot
Chaffetz
Chandler
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Cole
Conaway
Connolly (VA)
Cooper
Costa
Courtney
Cravaack
Crenshaw
Critz
Cuellar
Culberson
Davis (CA)
Davis (KY)
Denham
Dent
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Dicks
Dold
Donnelly (IN)
Dreier
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Ellmers
Emerson
Farenthold
Fincher
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gardner
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Harman
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (FL)
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Heinrich
Hensarling
Herger
Herrera Beutler
Higgins
Hinojosa
Holden
Hoyer
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hunter
Hurt
Inslee
Israel
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jordan
Keating
Kelly
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kinzinger (IL)
Kissell
Kline
Lance
Landry
Langevin
Lankford
Larsen (WA)
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lee (NY)
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Long
Lowey
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Lynch
Manzullo
Marino
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCarthy (NY)
McCaul
McCotter
McHenry
McIntyre
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
McNerney
Meehan
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Mulvaney
Murphy (CT)
Murphy (PA)
Myrick
Neugebauer
Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Palazzo
Pascrell
Paulsen
Pearce
Pence
Perlmutter
Peters
Peterson
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Price (GA)
Quayle
Quigley
Rahall
Reed
Reichert
Renacci
Reyes
Ribble
Rigell
Rivera
Roby
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (AR)
Ross (FL)
Rothman (NJ)
Royce
Runyan
Ruppersberger
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schiff
Schmidt
Schock
Schwartz
Scott (SC)
Scott, Austin
Scott, David
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Sewell
Shimkus
Shuler
Shuster
Simpson
Sires
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Southerland
Stearns
Stivers
Stutzman
Sullivan
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Tsongas
Turner
Upton
Van Hollen
Walberg
Walden
Walsh (IL)
Webster
West
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Yarmuth
Yoder
Young (FL)
Young (

Amash
Andrews
Baldwin
Bartlett
Bass (CA)
Becerra
Berman
Bishop (UT)
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Broun (GA)
Brown (FL)
Campbell
Capps
Capuano
Carson (IN)
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke (MI)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Conyers
Costello
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan (TN)
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Fitzpatrick
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Garamendi
Gibson
Gonzalez
Graves (GA)
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hanabusa
Heller
Himes
Hinchey
Hirono
Holt
Honda
Hultgren
Jackson (IL)
Jackson Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones
Kaptur
Kildee
Kingston
Kucinich
Labrador
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Luján
Mack
Maloney
Marchant
Markey
Matsui
McClintock
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
Meeks
Michaud
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor (AZ)
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Pingree (ME)
Polis
Price (NC)
Rangel
Rehberg
Richardson
Richmond
Roe (TN)
Rohrabacher
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schilling
Schrader
Schweikert
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Slaughter
Stark
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Tonko
Towns
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Woodall
Woolsey
Wu
Young (AK)

[Sola_Fide]

Geoff Davis here in KY voted for it as well. Shame...

[Zap!]

how many "Tea Party" Republicans voted no?

27.

[Zap!]

Michael Grimm voted yes. Bummer. :(

[Anti Federalist]

27.

That's 27 TOTAL GOP reps.

Some of those names are not "tea party" guys.

In fact, with a couple of exceptions, it looks like most of the GOP "nays" are old time "moderates".

Meet the new boss, same as the old fucking boss.

[Anti Federalist]

Yay Amash and of course Ron

[Kregisen]

I was going to call my local congressman telling him to vote no, but then was like "Oh wait, I have Jeff Flake...he's practically Ron Paul. No need" and then this happens.

[Fox McCloud]

27.

I know 26 Republicans voted "no", but how many of them are part of the "Tea Party" movement or sympathetic to it?

[Anti Federalist]

'Live Free and Get Spied On'

One Nation,

Under Surveillance.

[t0rnado]

Jeff Flake
Jason Chaffetz
Mick Mulvaney

They ran as Tea Party Republicans and voted Yes for this. Those pieces of crap need to be voted out of the House in 2012.

[QueenB4Liberty]

Wow. I figured Michael McCaul would vote for it but I still hate him.

[Fox McCloud]

Meet the new boss, same as the old fucking boss.

Which is why I want to know...if only a couple of "Tea Party" individuals voted "no", then this fully confirms, in my eyes, the Tea Party movement was about 95% worthless.

[libertybrewcity]

AMASH FOR A NAY!

Anyone know when the Patriot Act expires?

Republicans gathered close to 2/3 of the vote. I have a feeling they won't have a problem passing it when it comes closer to the expiration date..

[specsaregood]

My new congressman voted yes, I'll be following up with that douche.

[squarepusher]

thers only a handful of real teaparty rep's. the others just rode whatever the nearest wave they saw to election

[Wineman77]

Gary Miller of California voted yes. He just received a nasty email from this pissed of constituent.

[Zap!]

Anyone know if and when the Senate will debate on this?

[Austin]

Marlin Stutzman voted YEA, but he said in the C4L survey that he would not vote for the it.

[Anti Federalist]

Which is why I want to know...if only a couple of "Tea Party" individuals voted "no", then this fully confirms, in my eyes, the Tea Party movement was about 95% worthless.

I have not vetted every single GOP name on the "nay" list, but it sures looks like few, if any, "Tea Party" members voted nay.

[libertybrewcity]

On a the plus side, a 20-30 some bloc in the house can prove to be a very powerful force. I say this is a victory. Let's just keep these guys in and get some more in there.

[Sola_Fide]

Marlin Stutzman voted YEA, but he said in the C4L survey that he would not vote for the it.

Now that pisses me off if accurate.

[Anti Federalist]

Those of you with Facebook, feel free to give Fat Frank a bashing for this:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Frank-Guinta/111799732192

[Koz]

Does Boehner not vote? I didn't see his name anywhere?

[Brett85]

I have not vetted every single GOP name on the "nay" list, but it sures looks like few, if any, "Tea Party" members voted nay.

I would say that almost all of them were tea partiers. These weren't the moderate or liberal Republicans voting "no."

[misterx]

You've got to love the impartial reporting from the AP:


In a misstep for the new Republican leadership, the House has rejected legislation to extend for nine months three key surveillance tools that are part of the nation's post-Sept. 11 anti-terror law.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/newreply.php?p=3099477&noquote=1

Get a clue, Jim Abrams. It's not a misstep, it's a victory for all of us serfs.

[Brett85]

Marlin Stutzman voted YEA, but he said in the C4L survey that he would not vote for the it.

And Anthony Weiner voted "no" when he told the Judge that he would vote "yes." How exactly does that work?

[EndDaFed]

I'm not surprised that all of the so called tea party republicans voted for the bill. You have to take into account that people who want to get into politics will say anything to win. Ron Paul being the only exception to the rule. Rand Paul has yet to prove himself.

[2young2vote]

Am I the only one not surprised that some of these so called Tea Party representatives voted Yes? Some people put way to much trust into another persons words, especially when a relatively powerful position is up for grabs. The only person elected to the house who seems to be any different from the status quo is Justin Amash and even he still needs to prove himself a bit more.

[Reason]

my rep voted for it...

not surprising...

[Zap!]

Does Boehner not vote? I didn't see his name anywhere?

House Speakers don't vote, although there are rare exceptions.

[Anti Federalist]

I would say that almost all of them were tea partiers. These weren't the moderate or liberal Republicans voting "no."

Roscoe Bartlett?

Rob Bishop?

Paul Broun?

Rorhbacher?

Young?

So far all the names I'm coming across are incumbents and old timers.

[Sola_Fide]

Ron Paul being the only exception to the rule. Rand Paul has yet to prove himself.

Please shut up.

[EndDaFed]

Please shut up.

Fuck off

[Cowlesy]

Play nice or timeouts will be forthcoming.

[amy31416]

http://theculturevulture.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/shut_up.jpg

http://www.boman.biz/foi/certificate_logo.jpg

Pictures are so much more effective.....

[Depressed Liberator]

Hey guys!!!

How have your tea party and republican saviors worked for you?

[olehounddog]

No thanks to V Fox NC 5th

[Brett85]

The only person elected to the house who seems to be any different from the status quo is Justin Amash and even he still needs to prove himself a bit more.

Huh? There were 26 Republicans who voted against the Patriot Act, not 2.

[Brett85]

Roscoe Bartlett?

Rob Bishop?

Paul Broun?

Rorhbacher?

Young?

So far all the names I'm coming across are incumbents and old timers.

Paul Broun is one of the most conservative members of the house. There's been many times when the vote was 433-2 with Ron and Paul Broun voting "no."

[Sola_Fide]

Hey guys!!!

How have your tea party and republican saviors worked for you?


Mine worked out great!

[low preference guy]

In 2010, 10 Republicans in the House opposed.

Today, 26.

Small progress, but progress.

I wonder how the vote will be in the Senate.

[Ricky201]

Hurray for Amash!

[Jeremy]

Bobby Schilling voted no. :)

[yatez112]

Geoff Davis here in KY voted for it as well. Shame...

Yarmuth, too. Gah!

[Anti Federalist]

These are the 26 GOP Nay votes.

So far, I only see one or two "tea party" people.

Amash
Bartlett
Bishop (UT)
Broun (GA)
Campbell
Duncan (TN)
Fitzpatrick
Gibson
Graves (GA)
Heller
Hultgren
Johnson (IL)
Jones
Kingston
Labrador
Mack
Marchant
McClintock
Paul
Rehberg
Roe (TN)
Rohrabacher
Schilling
Schweikert
Woodall
Young (AK)

[Anti Federalist]

Paul Broun is one of the most conservative members of the house. There's been many times when the vote was 433-2 with Ron and Paul Broun voting "no."

That's fine and good for him, but he's got, what, a 30 year career?

Not a "new maverick" Tea Party guy by any stretch of the imagination.

[silentshout]

Unbelievably, my rep John Campbell (R) voted no! He used to be pretty much a serious neocon. He also surprised me by voting with RP on something else recently.

[Sola_Fide]

Yarmuth, too. Gah!

Yarmuth said that Obama's spending reductions are "bold". :):):)

[ClayTrainor]

Thanks to your dedicated efforts, the motion to suspend the rules and pass the extension of three PATRIOT Act provisions failed tonight in the House of Representatives!

Does this mean the terrorists have won? :p

[Chester Copperpot]

Aquabuddha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vessol]

So wait, the Patriot Act was not extended and thus is not able to be used anymore? Or were just certain things not added?

[Sola_Fide]

Aquabuddha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You rang?

[hazek]

Unbelievably, my rep John Campbell (R) voted no! He used to be pretty much a serious neocon. He also surprised me by voting with RP on something else recently.

Contact him and thank him if you can!

[Sola_Fide]

So wait, the Patriot Act was not extended and thus is not able to be used anymore? Or were just certain things not added?

I believe some key survelliance provisions were not extended. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

[Zap!]

These are the 26 GOP Nay votes.

So far, I only see one or two "tea party" people.

Amash
Bartlett
Bishop (UT)
Broun (GA)
Campbell
Duncan (TN)
Fitzpatrick
Gibson
Graves (GA)
Heller
Hultgren
Johnson (IL)
Jones
Kingston
Labrador
Mack
Marchant
McClintock
Paul
Rehberg
Roe (TN)
Rohrabacher
Schilling
Schweikert
Woodall
Young (AK)

McClintock is fairly Tea.

[low preference guy]

So wait, the Patriot Act was not extended and thus is not able to be used anymore? Or were just certain things not added?

They wanted to extend it through a quick procedure or something like that. I think they can still vote for it through the regular procedure.

But I am not sure. I might be wrong.

[Brett85]

McClintock is fairly Tea.

McClintock switched his vote from last time as well.

[Jeremy]

McClintock is fairly Tea.

So is Schilling.

[PermanentSleep]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_the_rules_in_the_United_States_Congr ess

Suspension of the rules is a procedure generally used to quickly pass non-controversial bills in the United States House of Representatives.

A motion to suspend the rules is in order on Mondays and Tuesdays and towards the end of a session of Congress and may only be made by the Speaker of the House or their designee, though it is customary for committee chairs to write the Speaker requesting a suspension. Once a member makes a motion to "suspend the rules" and take some action, debate is limited to 40 minutes, no amendments can be offered to the motion or the underlying matter, and a 2/3 majority of Members present and voting is required to agree to the motion.

http://rules.house.gov/singlepages.aspx?NewsID=91

Items to be considered under suspension of the rules:
# H.R. 514, A bill to extend expiring provisions of the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 relating to access to business records, individual terrorists as agents of foreign powers, and roving wiretaps until December 8, 2011.

LOL apparently they didn't realize this was a controversial issue.

[overeaper]

Excellent!

[Zap!]

So when they vote again, will that "26" number shrink or grow?

[low preference guy]

So when they vote again, will that "26" number shrink or grow?

i bet it'll stay the same.

[Anti Federalist]

McClintock is fairly Tea.

Again, seems pretty conservative, but not part of the "Tea Party" in the sense of the word, since he's an incumbent and first got elected in 2008.

[Brett85]

So when they vote again, will that "26" number shrink or grow?

They'll now go through the regular process where amendments can be added to the bill, and there may be some amendments passed that water down the bill. In that case there will probably be less than 26 "no" votes next time.

[ClayTrainor]

Question:

When the patriot act expires, or whatever... does this mean that people who were detained under the patriot act will be released?

[vita3]

+1 for the brave 26 Republicans & +10 for the 122 brave Democrats

[specsaregood]

That's fine and good for him, but he's got, what, a 30 year career?

Not a "new maverick" Tea Party guy by any stretch of the imagination.

Nope, Broun is new as of 2007. I remember when he ran he said something about wanting to be a Dr. No.

The encouraging part about him voting no? This:


Committee on Homeland Security
Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
Subcommittee on Emerging Threats, Cybersecurity, and Science and Technology

[Melissa]

All the Guys that ran in Indiana under basically the Tea Party voted yes. We have alot of work to do Hoosiers

[Anti Federalist]

Nope, Broun is new as of 2007. I remember when he ran he said something about wanting to be a Dr. No.

The encouraging part about him voting no? This:

You are quite right, I was thinking of Bishop.

[micahnelson]

Anyone that voted to extend it is not a liberty supporter, period. Full Stop.

When Obama didn't veto Patriot Act provisions, that was enough for my liberal friends to realize they had been had.
Its important that we not accept any hem hawing about this one. If they voted for it, they should no longer have any support from those who claim they want constitutional government. You don't get to call yourself a constitutionalist just because you support the 2nd amendment.

[sailingaway]

Yes!!!!!!

but they'll do what they did when the House voted the bailouts down....try to pass it in the Senate, first. At least that would be my guess.

[Romantarchist]

I'm surprised David Schweikert voted No. He represents the district next to mine and he ran as a doctrinaire down-the-line tea-o-con. Or at least it seemed that way to me.

Also, massive thumbs down to Jason Chaffetz after voting No on extending it last time. What's his explanation for that? :confused:

[AGRP]

Bachmann voted for it, of course.

I guess those lunch meetings with Ron Paul are really working :collins:

[PermanentSleep]

I feel like a trip to the local watering hole is in order.

[sailingaway]

Woo Hoo!! My useless Congressman voted against it!!

Wow, I never expected that!!

[micahnelson]

Bachmann voted for it, of course.

Good. Now I don't have to ever worry about arguing with a Bachmannist again.

[specsaregood]

Don't get all excited people. All this means is that it has to go through the regular process including debate then vote..where they only need a majority vote.

[Brett85]

Don't get all excited people. All this means is that it has to go through the regular process including debate then vote..where they only need a majority vote.

But we've at least forced the house to have a full and open debate regarding this issue. That's a victory.

[Chester Copperpot]

Woo Hoo!! My useless Congressman voted against it!!

Wow, I never expected that!!

MIne too!!!! yay!

[nobody's_hero]

Mine voted for it. He's a democrat and forgot that he was supposed to be against it but since Obama is in office and wants the power . . . —"Dang, where did I put those principles?"

[specsaregood]

But we've at least forced the house to have a full and open debate regarding this issue. That's a victory.

I am in total agreement, just wanted to make sure nobody got ahead of themselves. We have to sway at least 59votes to NAY in order to keep it from getting extended. If only we could get Beck or similar to come out against it full throttle....

[DamianTV]

This whole thread needs to be FRONT PAGE.

[Zap!]

Here's Michael Grimm's Facebook page. Please tell him you are disappointed with his vote.

http://www.facebook.com/grimm4congress

[libertybrewcity]

A coalition of 27 Republicans could block a lot of bills we don't like in the future.

But, I am sure the house leadership will bring this up to vote again and again until they have the right amount of votes.

[low preference guy]

Rep. Connie Mack (R-Fla.) voted against the extension, while his wife, Rep. Mary Bono Mack (R-Calif.), voted for it.

That's grounds for divorce!

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49126.html#ixzz1DQSQsjmm

[Zap!]

Just 8 GOP Freshmen voted no :(


http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/02/08/patriot-act-authorization-fails-eight-gop-freshmen-vote-no.aspx

[civusamericanus]

My congressman, Tom Graves (R-GA 9th District) Voted Nay!

[AGRP]

Is there a state list of those who voted for it?

[BuddyRey]

My alleged "Representative", Sue Myrick (R-NC) also voted for tyranny today. She's been in the House forever (usually running unopposed), and I keep wishing somebody would put up a serious challenge here.

[GunnyFreedom]

This is my litmus test, if you vote for it, you are no friend of liberty.

+1

Go go Walter Jones! :D

[GunnyFreedom]

Marlin Stutzman voted YEA, but he said in the C4L survey that he would not vote for the it.

LOL - ding!

He went so far in his PATRIOT zeal, that he voted to overturn the rules and pass it quickly.

[Zap!]

The Tea Party needs to make this an issue next year. If you are for it, you will be primaried.

[Brett85]

My rep was endorsed by Ron Paul and voted for the Patriot Act. He'll certainly be thrown under the bus by people here.

[GunnyFreedom]

Does Boehner not vote? I didn't see his name anywhere?

Speaker rarely if ever votes.

[QueenB4Liberty]

The Tea Party needs to make this an issue next year. If you are for it, you will be primaried.

lol most "tea party" people vote for this right?

[GunnyFreedom]

No thanks to V Fox NC 5th

I saw that. It put me foul.

[Zap!]

lol most "tea party" people vote for this right?

Teo-cons. Actual Tea Party members who protest in the street and vote in primaries remain solidly against the Patriot Act.

[Melissa]

Originally Posted by Krippy
Marlin Stutzman voted YEA, but he said in the C4L survey that he would not vote for the it.



Now that pisses me off if accurate.

Question 15 so yes Krippy is accurate on his statement


http://www.campaignforliberty.com/candidatesurvey.php?state=IN#questions

[ihsv]

Rep. Guthrie,

I learned today that you voted in favor of extending the Patriot Act.

I would ask four things:

First, did you even READ the Patriot Act? At a massive 342 pages, the Patriot Act violates at least six of the ten original amendments known as the Bill of Rights—the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendments—and possibly the Thirteenth and Fourteenth as well.

Second, please don't send me a canned letter saying how we need to fight those evil "terrsts", and that you share my "concerns" about the blatant abuse and violation of the Constitution contained in the Patriot Act.

Thirdly, Please explain to me how you can take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution while voting for legislation that effectively cancels out the fourth amendment, gives us the TSA and its gate-rape powers, tosses out the right of due process, negates habeas corpus, gives the federal government unprecedented powers to spy on us, listen to our phone conversations, read our letters and email, and to treat us generally as criminals. Please explain to me how you can justify violating your oath of office.

Finally, please explain to me, considering the "terrorists hate us for our freedoms", how we're "winning the war against terrorism" by legislating away the rights and freedoms they "hate us for".

Again, please, no canned letters. Unless you're going to answer these points directly, don't waste the paper.

---------------

Sent this a few minutes ago... now all I have to do is wait in anxious anticipation for the canned letter I asked him NOT to send.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Walter Jones, Ron Paul, and Justin Amash. Seems we only have three allies in the House. McClintock can be 'ok' sometimes, and so can Rohrabacher.

[Anti Federalist]

My rep was endorsed by Ron Paul and voted for the Patriot Act. He'll certainly be thrown under the bus by people here.

As well he should be.

This is one of the "deal breaker" issues, AFAIC

[Brett85]

As well he should be.

This is one of the "deal breaker" issues, AFAIC

I'm disappointed in his vote, but this isn't a deal breaker for me since I'm not a down the line libertarian like many here. I'll look at his entire record to see how he votes.

[GunnyFreedom]

So when they vote again, will that "26" number shrink or grow?


i bet it'll stay the same.

I think it will grow, a little bit. There's some people who feel like us but are afraid to vote our way. The more credible the "no" votes become, the more "no" votes you will pick up. Maybe 28 no. Idle speculation, so don't be disappointed if it's 3 'no' Republicans when the time comes lol :rolleyes:

If C4L pulls out all the stops, we might see as high as 35 'no' Republicans out of the next vote, which will encourage even more. Set a goal, like "win 40 GOP no votes on PATRIOT" and be happy with 35. The frightened freedom fighters will start to peek out from under the couch and join the fray when it all looks safe.

[amy31416]

My rep was endorsed by Ron Paul and voted for the Patriot Act. He'll certainly be thrown under the bus by people here.

He threw the people of his district, and the rest of us under the bus. You have it backwards.

And being against the Patriot Act should be a conservative thing, not just a libertarian or liberal thing. That's a flaw in the current "conservative" party.

[Brett85]

He threw the people of his district, and the rest of us under the bus. You have it backwards.

And being against the Patriot Act should be a conservative thing, not just a libertarian or liberal thing. That's a flaw in the current "conservative" party.

Conservatives are pretty divided when it comes to issues like the Patriot Act. And in all honesty the majority of the people in my district probably support the Patriot Act. My district is more socially conservative then anything else. And just to be clear I am opposed to the Patriot Act. But I just look at a politician's entire voting record.

[Kregisen]

I'm surprised David Schweikert voted No. He represents the district next to mine and he ran as a doctrinaire down-the-line tea-o-con. Or at least it seemed that way to me.

Also, massive thumbs down to Jason Chaffetz after voting No on extending it last time. What's his explanation for that? :confused:


Same here. You're in Flake's district too right? I talked to David Schweikert over the phone the day before he got elected and I was trying to ask him why he had horrible positions on some issues and the connection got bad and the call dropped, lol.

I'm shocked that he voted no.

[speciallyblend]

Only 27 Republicans care about liberty. Oh well, at least the number is growing.

we are battling the biggovgop establishment. I hope this makes many cpac attendees and republicans and ron paul supporters understand that they MUST hold the gop leadership accountable!!!

[GunnyFreedom]

3 - 10 - 27 -

It looks like a geometric progression at this early stage...

[speciallyblend]

I think it will grow, a little bit. There's some people who feel like us but are afraid to vote our way. The more credible the "no" votes become, the more "no" votes you will pick up. Maybe 28 no. Idle speculation, so don't be disappointed if it's 3 'no' Republicans when the time comes lol :rolleyes:

If C4L pulls out all the stops, we might see as high as 35 'no' Republicans out of the next vote, which will encourage even more. Set a goal, like "win 40 GOP no votes on PATRIOT" and be happy with 35. The frightened freedom fighters will start to peek out from under the couch and join the fray when it all looks safe.

i hear ya gunny but sometimes i am thinking a pitchfork might motivate them quicker:) just sayin

[CUnknown]

Broun is my Rep. He is terrible on foreign policy, and so he gets under my skin quite a bit.. but compared to most I guess the truth is he's actually not bad. This vote definitely gets him out of the dog house with me for the time being. I'll have to thank him.

He should be considered Tea Party, I think. Most people around here think so, anyway.. he is very popular. He's the sort who is with us on pretty much everything but foreign policy.

[heavenlyboy34]

we are battling the biggovgop establishment. I hope this makes many cpac attendees and republicans and ron paul supporters understand that they MUST hold the gop leadership accountable!!!

What does this mean in real, practical terms? The GOP is not on anyone's payroll. They can do pretty much whatever they want until they get ousted one way or another. Are you going to write them nasty emails and yell at their interns on the phone? People have been trying to hold the GOP accountable even longer than I've been alive, and it almost never works. The ruling class in DC does whatever the fuck it wants. :P :mad:

[Brett85]

3 - 10 - 27 -

It looks like a geometric progression at this early stage...

Exactly. And people are disappointed that we only got 27. I figured that we would only get about 15.

[anaconda]

Can someone explain what a "suspension calendar" is? Furthermore, what's to prevent an up-or-down vote in the near future? I do not find it encouraging that 277 critters voted for the extension.

[Brett85]

Furthermore, what's to prevent an up-or-down vote in the near future?

Nothing. But this still forces an open and honest debate on the issue with the possibility of adding amendments.

[TCE]

They'll do what they did with the food safety bill last year, they water it down a pinch, bring it back for a Standard Rules vote, which only needs a majority, and it'll pass easily. This isn't a victory, it's just a delay. It will pass the House within two weeks. The only plus is to publicize it as much as possible and show that neither party cares about liberties. I am extremely proud of Amash, though, I was silently pessimistic about him, but he has my respect as of right now.

[anaconda]

Can we all please take a moment and recognize that Michele Bachmann voted to extend the patriot act? This saddens me. I take back any nice things I ever said about her.

[GunnyFreedom]

Can someone explain what a "suspension calendar" is? Furthermore, what's to prevent an up-or-down vote in the near future? I do not find it encouraging that 277 critters voted for the extension.

A 'calendar' is the order of voting for bills. A 'suspension calendar' would be one that was being considered under a suspension of the rules. Probably in order to consider it out of order.

[anaconda]

Bachmann voted for it, of course.

I am a Ron Paul Forum participant who has thought she had great potential. I hereby officially disavow any inkling of support for her.

[Brett85]

Can we all please take a moment and recognize that Michele Bachmann voted to extend the patriot act? This saddens me. I take back any nice things I ever said about her.

It shouldn't be a surprise. She voted for it every time before.

[TCE]

Can someone explain what a "suspension calendar" is? Furthermore, what's to prevent an up-or-down vote in the near future? I do not find it encouraging that 277 critters voted for the extension.

Limit debate to 40 minutes with a VERY limited number of amendments and pass it with 2/3 vote instead of the usual simple majority. The calendar part is just their calendar for when bills get voted on, nothing special.

[TCE]

Can we all please take a moment and recognize that Michele Bachmann voted to extend the patriot act? This saddens me. I take back any nice things I ever said about her.

Thank you! Don't worry, her district is going to be gone in 2012, so enjoy her while she's still here!

[anaconda]

My bailout supporting Congresswoman, Barbara Lee, voted with Ron Paul. As a side note, however, she was the only member of Congress to vote against giving Bush the authority to pursue the "terrorists" back in 2001. Not even Ron sided with her on that.

[ord33]

Walter Jones, Ron Paul, and Justin Amash. Seems we only have three allies in the House. McClintock can be 'ok' sometimes, and so can Rohrabacher.

John Duncan (TN) is DEFINITELY an ally. He's up there with Paul, Amash, and Jones in my book.

I was shocked, I live in Duncan's district and expected him to vote no, but I was pleasantly surprised when I saw that Phil Roe (the district next to me) also voted no. There may be more liberty and freedom than I thought here in East Tennessee!!!!

[amy31416]

I am a Ron Paul Forum participant who has thought she had great potential. I hereby officially disavow any inkling of support for her.

Don't sweat it, we've all been duped more than once. Rand Paul is the only one, so far, that I've been skeptical about who's impressing me...oh, and Justin Amash (but I haven't been following him as closely.)

[GunnyFreedom]

I am a Ron Paul Forum participant who has thought she had great potential. I hereby officially disavow any inkling of support for her.

I don't think an official announcement was actually necessary, but it does demonstrate integrity. Thank you! :)

[Anti Federalist]

Conservatives are pretty divided when it comes to issues like the Patriot Act. And in all honesty the majority of the people in my district probably support the Patriot Act. My district is more socially conservative then anything else. And just to be clear I am opposed to the Patriot Act. But I just look at a politician's entire voting record.

It'll be interesting to see how the House votes when this comes back up for a straight up or down vote, rather than a procedural vote.

[GunnyFreedom]

It'll be interesting to see how the House votes when this comes back up for a straight up or down vote, rather than a procedural vote.

I'm actually hopeful on this for the first time in a long time. Today may well buoy some latent summer soldiers. Now is when the grassroots most needs to look alive on this. What if we melted down the Congressional switchboard with "NO PATRIOT ACT" ? :D

[Anti Federalist]

I'm actually hopeful on this for the first time in a long time. Today may well buoy some latent summer soldiers. Now is when the grassroots most needs to look alive on this. What if we melted down the Congressional switchboard with "NO PATRIOT ACT" ? :D

I've already got an email and phone call in to my guy, telling him he has another chance to redeem himself when this comes up again.

[Brett85]

It'll be interesting to see how the House votes when this comes back up for a straight up or down vote, rather than a procedural vote.

Me too. There were originally 29 Republicans who voted against the Patriot Act, and then that number went down to 25, and then it ended at 26. There was some serious arm twisting going on there. Those GOP reps are under a lot of pressure to vote "yes."

[Imperial]

see later post

[Justinjj1]

Republican 210 26 5
Democratic 67 122 4
Independent


Again proves that the Democrats are still the lesser of the two evils.

[TCE]

Again proves that the Democrats are still the lesser of the two evils.

Nope, two sides of the same coin. Republicans target your civil liberties and love pre-emptive war while Democrats target your financial and economic liberties while sometimes protecting civil liberties. Trust me, if the Democrats were the majority, it would pass the House because Obama, a Democrat, is strongly for this.

[Anti Federalist]

Me too. There were originally 29 Republicans who voted against the Patriot Act, and then that number went down to 25, and then it ended at 26. There was some serious arm twisting going on there. Those GOP reps are under a lot of pressure to vote "yes."

Question of the night:

Pressure from whom, and why?

[VBRonPaulFan]

pretty pissed, all the reps in my state except 2 voted YEA. I just emailed Randy Forbes to let him know how disappointed I am.

[Anti Federalist]

Nope, two sides of the same coin. Republicans target your civil liberties and love pre-emptive war while Democrats target your financial and economic liberties while sometimes protecting civil liberties. Trust me, if the Democrats were the majority, it would pass the House because Obama, a Democrat, is strongly for this.

+1

[Brett85]

Question of the night:

Pressure from whom, and why?

From the GOP leadership, because they want the GOP to be united on every issue.

[keh10]

My new congressman voted yes, I'll be following up with that douche.

Yeah, same here. Fucking Steve Womack. I saw this shit coming a mile away.

[Brett85]

Utah rep. Jason Chaffetz voted yes. Disgusting, and we all liked him. :(

This was his reasoning:

"This is just a temporary extension, so the Judiciary Committee can dive a little deeper into the details," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), a second-term lawmaker closely aligned with tea party activists. "That seemed fair. I don't want to let it expire without giving it full contemplation."

[GunnyFreedom]

This was his reasoning:

"This is just a temporary extension, so the Judiciary Committee can dive a little deeper into the details," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), a second-term lawmaker closely aligned with tea party activists. "That seemed fair. I don't want to let it expire without giving it full contemplation."

What more is there to look at Jason? Unconstitutional is unconstitutional. No three ways about that.

[low preference guy]

"This is just a temporary extension, so the Judiciary Committee can dive a little deeper into the details," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), a second-term lawmaker closely aligned with tea party activists. "That seemed fair. I don't want to let it expire without giving it full contemplation."

lame.

[PeacePlan]

Michele Bachmann is my rep and I just emailed her about her yes vote. I will call her tomorrow at her local and Fed offices.

She sucks............

[ClayTrainor]

Michele Bachmann is my rep and I just emailed her about her yes vote. I will call her tomorrow at her local and Fed offices.

She sucks............


Hope it makes ya feel better, but it's probably just a waste of time. She's a pretty hardcore warhawk.

[Brian4Liberty]

Utah rep. Jason Chaffetz voted yes. Disgusting, and we all liked him. :(


Flake and Chaffetz voted for it???

Wow. They really go down a notch or two in my book for that...


Marlin Stutzman voted YEA, but he said in the C4L survey that he would not vote for the it.

Those guys all have some splainin' to do!


McClintock is fairly Tea.

Yep, he's nearly the best we have in California...


This was his reasoning:

"This is just a temporary extension, so the Judiciary Committee can dive a little deeper into the details," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), a second-term lawmaker closely aligned with tea party activists. "That seemed fair. I don't want to let it expire without giving it full contemplation."

With all due respect Jason, that sounds like an excuse. Did the GOP establishment give this as a reason for putting it on the "suspension calendar"? Will the Judiciary Committee actually come back with any new information? What is their deadline for completing their investigation? Why not let it expire, and if they propose some Constitutionally acceptable bills, then they can be voted on?

[HOLLYWOOD]

From the GOP leadership, because they want the GOP to be united on every issue. Yeah, this is real brainiac of those morons, they're suppose to cote for what their constituents demand, not what THEIR PARTY says.

the "voting political party line bullshit: will always be the bain of the country and US Constitution.

[Imperial]

Here are all the Republicans who voted against reauthorization:
* signifies freshman, who did not previously hold a congressional seat

Justin Amash* (MI)
Roscoe Bartlett (MD)
Paul Broun (GA)
Rob Bishop (UT)
John Campbell (CA)
John Duncan (TN)
Mike FitzPatrick (PA)
Chris Gibson* (NY)
Tom Graves (GA)
Dean Heller (NV)
Randy Hultgren* (IL)
Tim Johnson (IL)
Walter Jones (NC)
Jack Kingston (GA)
Raul Labrador* (UT)
Connie Mack (FL)
Kenny Marchant (TX)
Tom McClintock (CA)
Ron Paul (TX)
Denny Rehberg (MT)
Phil Roe (TN)
Dana Rohrabacher (CA)
Bobby Schilling* (IL)
David Schweikert* (AZ)
Rob Woodall* (GA)
Don Young (AK)


Some notable ones who voted FOR reauthorization:
Jeff Flake (AZ)
Mick Mulvaney* (SC)
Jason Chaffetz (UT)
Michele Bachmann (MN)
Chip Cravaack* (MN)
Tim Walberg (MI)

[Imperial]

Here are all the Republicans who voted against reauthorization:
* signifies freshman, who did not previously hold a congressional seat

Justin Amash* (MI)
Roscoe Bartlett (MD)
Paul Broun (GA)
Rob Bishop (UT)
John Campbell (CA)
John Duncan (TN)
Mike FitzPatrick (PA)
Chris Gibson* (NY)
Tom Graves (GA)
Dean Heller (NV)
Randy Hultgren* (IL)
Tim Johnson (IL)
Walter Jones (NC)
Jack Kingston (GA)
Raul Labrador* (UT)
Connie Mack (FL)
Kenny Marchant (TX)
Tom McClintock (CA)
Ron Paul (TX)
Denny Rehberg (MT)
Phil Roe (TN)
Dana Rohrabacher (CA)
Bobby Schilling* (IL)
David Schweikert* (AZ)
Rob Woodall* (GA)
Don Young (AK)


Some notable ones who voted FOR reauthorization:
Jeff Flake (AZ)
Mick Mulvaney* (SC)
Jason Chaffetz (UT)
Michele Bachmann (MN)
Chip Cravaack* (MN)
Tim Walberg (MI)

A total of 26 Republicans voted against, helping to overcome the group of Democrats who voted for reauthorization.

[Sola_Fide]

Here are all the Republicans who voted against reauthorization:
* signifies freshman, who did not previously hold a congressional seat

Justin Amash* (MI)
Roscoe Bartlett (MD)
Paul Broun (GA)
Rob Bishop (UT)
John Campbell (CA)
John Duncan (TN)
Mike FitzPatrick (PA)
Chris Gibson* (NY)
Tom Graves (GA)
Dean Heller (NV)
Randy Hultgren* (IL)
Tim Johnson (IL)
Walter Jones (NC)
Jack Kingston (GA)
Raul Labrador* (UT)
Connie Mack (FL)
Kenny Marchant (TX)
Tom McClintock (CA)
Ron Paul (TX)
Denny Rehberg (MT)
Phil Roe (TN)
Dana Rohrabacher (CA)
Bobby Schilling* (IL)
David Schweikert* (AZ)
Rob Woodall* (GA)
Don Young (AK)


Some notable ones who voted FOR reauthorization:
Jeff Flake (AZ)
Mick Mulvaney* (SC)
Jason Chaffetz (UT)
Michele Bachmann (MN)
Chip Cravaack* (MN)
Tim Walberg (MI)

Thanks for the list.

[daviddee]

...

[Zap!]

Don't sweat it, we've all been duped more than once. Rand Paul is the only one, so far, that I've been skeptical about who's impressing me...oh, and Justin Amash (but I haven't been following him as closely.)

The best woman ever elected to public office would never have voted for this. That would be the late, great Helen Chenoweth. I miss her so much. :(

[Zap!]

Republican 210 26 5
Democratic 67 122 4
Independent


Again proves that the Democrats are still the lesser of the two evils.

No it doesn't, not in the least.

[eduardo89]

Utah rep. Jason Chaffetz voted yes. Disgusting, and we all liked him. :(

You should checkout the backlash on his fb page.... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jason-Chaffetz/212373730233

Post and tell him what you think of his vote

[Zap!]

You should checkout the backlash on his fb page.... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jason-Chaffetz/212373730233

Post and tell him what you think of his vote

The same thing is happening in Michael Grimm's Facebook, and while conservative, it's nowhere's near as red as Utah.

http://www.facebook.com/grimm4congress

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The same thing is happening in Michael Grimm's Facebook, and while conservative, it's nowhere's near as red as Utah.

http://www.facebook.com/grimm4congress

The guy used to be a FBI special agent. That should have at least sent off some warning bells.

[anaconda]

I don't think an official announcement was actually necessary, but it does demonstrate integrity. Thank you! :)

And I did contribute to your campaign, Gunny. Thank you ,for the hard work (speaking of integrity).

[anaconda]

Michele Bachmann is my rep and I just emailed her about her yes vote. I will call her tomorrow at her local and Fed offices.

She sucks............


I think she might think twice if she understood that she incurred the huge wrath of the Ron Paul revolutionaries. We should all contact her office.

[Fox McCloud]

so a total of 6 potential Tea Party people really do possibly stand for liberty...out of all the new ones that were elected...pathetic and sad.

[Working Poor]

I was surprised to see Pelosi on the list of nay votes.

[smoking357]

Jeff Flake
Jason Chaffetz
Mick Mulvaney

They ran as Tea Party Republicans and voted Yes for this. Those pieces of crap need to be voted out of the House in 2012.

What we need is coalition government. This two-party system is tyranny. The Constitution provides for one rep for every 30,000 people. We have 435 of them for 310 million. You do the math. If we had a lot more representatives, we could break the two-party stranglehold.

[smoking357]

so a total of 6 potential Tea Party people really do possibly stand for liberty...out of all the new ones that were elected...pathetic and sad.

Sorry, but you optimists here are really kind of funny. You're still political believers. On a true libertarian site, we're not surprised, in the least, by what the Tea Partiers are and will do. This is exactly what we knew would happen.

[angelatc]

Hey guys!!!

How have your tea party and republican saviors worked for you?

Do you think it's an accident that Amash got elected? Ron Paul said we need to get active in the local GOP. But it seems that most of us have decided to ignore him, opting to stand on the sidelines and shout about our failures.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

[yatez112]

Random tidbit about this...On CSPAN this morning, 90% of the callers were against the Patriot Act from what I saw. The host played Ron's floor speech after saying he was one of the Tea Party favorites.

[teacherone]

Send this to your obamabot friends.

What's wrong with this picture??

The Obama administration earlier Tuesday urged Congress to extend the tools for nearly three years while Senate Republicans urged them to become permanent.

The White House said that while it would support the nine-month extension proposed by House Republicans, it would "strongly prefer" that they be re-authorized through December 2013.


while----

The Republicans, who took over the House last month, lost 26 of their own members, adding to the 122 Democrats who voted against it. Supporters say the three measures are vital to preventing another terrorist attack like those on Sept. 11, 2001, but critics say they infringe on civil liberties. They appealed to the antipathy that newer and more conservative Republicans hold for big government invasions of individual privacy.

Among the 26 Republicans against the extension were seven freshman lawmakers backed by the Tea Party movement, whose members have said the Patriot Act intrudes on every-day life, NBC News reported. They are David Schweikert of Arizona, Tom Graves of Georgia, Raul Labrador of Idaho, Randy Hultgren and Bobby Schilling of Illinois, Justin Amash of Michigan and Christopher Gibson of New York. An eighth first-term Republican, Michael Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, joined them.The Republican-controlled House was expected to favor the nine-month extension.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41482485/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

[Kylie]

My congressman, Costello, actually voted NO.

Holy shit. The world is coming to an end. :)

[georgiaboy]

I'm amazed this failed to pass. What's going on inside the GOP that caused this to happen? Testing the public's reaction? Is this being linked to our financial woes, or is it the TSA scanning connection that's being addressed? Great news any way I look at it.

Did Rand cut some of this as part of his $500B budget proposal?

The Georgia GOP reps split on this one. Curious. I sense a shift. a positive shift.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm amazed this failed to pass. What's going on inside the GOP that caused this to happen? Testing the public's reaction? Is this being linked to our financial woes, or is it the TSA scanning connection that's being addressed? Great news any way I look at it.

Did Rand cut some of this as part of his $500B budget proposal?

The Georgia GOP reps split on this one. Curious. I sense a shift. a positive shift.

It failed to pass because it required a 2/3rd majority. It is a good shift, but call me a skeptic because a Democrat is in the White House. It'll pass when they do not try to ram it through on special rules and procedures. I think people are looking at this way too optimistically without viewing this in its proper context. Hopefully the trend continues and we can kick out more of the statists, but it is going to take a long time (if at all possible -- and frankly, I do not want to see the Federal Government survive. I want mass secession and independence movements and I think they have a better chance at success than trying to reform the entire Federal Government). At least 75% of the Democrats voted against it.

[Chieppa1]

Funny, I was really interested to see if my rep, Scott Garrett is actually on board with Liberty as some of his votes in the last couple years have pointed to. Well, he's not perfect, but he's learning. My area in NJ has become more and more Ron Paul. So this vote was big to see if we would give him another term after this one....

He was a non-vote. No details as of yet WHY.

[georgiaboy]

but call me a skeptic because a Democrat is in the White House.


At least 75% of the Democrats voted against it.

just furthers the puzzle to me. so most of the GOP voted for it, but enough sided with D's for it not to make the 2/3 and have to be debated, but a D is in the WH, so this benefits ???

This one was just too easy to slip under the radar (pun intended) with the 2/3 and carry on discussing obamacare, budget, etc.

[Southron]

The fact that it didn't pass is still a great thing. Hopefully this will bring it to the forefront of political discussion, instead being rammed through quickly, as they intended.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The fact that it didn't pass is still a great thing. Hopefully this will bring it to the forefront of political discussion, instead being rammed through quickly, as they intended.

I agree.

[Legend1104]

Yeah I have already heard Beck and Fox News talk about it. How many dems voted no? Surely it wasn't all. I would not see how a democratic president would sign something that had total opposition from the Dems. I would assume he would sign it.

[Zap!]

Yeah I have already heard Beck and Fox News talk about it. How many dems voted no? Surely it wasn't all. I would not see how a democratic president would sign something that had total opposition from the Dems. I would assume he would sign it.

Is Beck against the Patriot Act now?