Rand Paul on Morning Joe...

[TXcarlosTX]

coming up soon I guess. They just had a promo.

[TXcarlosTX]

up next

[tangent4ronpaul]

Still waiting for Rand. He may not be up till after Christol(sp?) leaves at 8am EST

[RM918]

Wow, they're going to talk about foreign aid.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Rand is up next about cutting all foreign aid

[yatez112]

.....Still coming up. Should be in the next few minutes! Just showed him waiting.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Remember to change channels when Rand goes off - hopefully it will show up in their viewership numbers...

give um a clue...

ON NOW!

[BenIsForRon]

Great interview. Rand clearly isn't worried about whether he gets re-elected in six years. He's going to propose some major cuts, personal consequences be damned. Mika and Joe were clearly impressed.

[tangent4ronpaul]

That was great! - any bets on how fast a tube shows up here? :)

That one bit about cutting all foreign aid and the next day how 3/5ths of the articles the next day were about how he wanted to cut aid to Israel - less than half of a percent of the proposed cuts was a CLASSIC! We are going to have to use that a LOT!

w00t!

[sailingaway]

tube?

[TXcarlosTX]

fuck! i missed it. had to drive off to work. tube please!!!

[Sola_Fide]

Tube anyone? I would love to send this to all my neocon friends.

[kahless]

I had just missed him on MSNBC but changed to FNC and there he was. Good interview.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I had just missed him on MSNBC but changed to FNC and there he was. Good interview.

HU? - he was on FNC too? - wish I'd known....

tube?

[Sola_Fide]

Tube me! Quick!

[jtstellar]

lol@the tube requests

[tangent4ronpaul]

We are really slipping. Hours notice and not a tube yet. Search of YouTube has come up with nothing posted today.

-t

[cswake]

Morning Joe:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#41472310

[Sola_Fide]

Morning Joe:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#41472310

Awww man. I can't watch streaming video:(

[VegasPatriot]

Morning Joe:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#41472310

Great interview, thanks.

[lester1/2jr]

I almost missed it because they had Bill Kristol on before. can't stand that guy.

[Brett85]

Morning Joe:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#41472310

It's not working for me.

[Bern]

Wow. That was an awesome interview. Bullet points:

- Congress has learned that Japan is fucked (debt crisis). We are ~2 years behind them. Even Dems in the meeting sobered up on the topic.
- His $500B proposal was just the beginning. Rand's working on a fix for Social Security next and Medicaid to follow that.
- Rand is more concerned about doing what needs to be done than getting re-elected. Priorities in focus.

[Sola_Fide]

Morning Joe:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#41472310

Watched it!

Rand is approaching legendary status. The only thing that would be better than his social security proposal would be to offer an opt-out plan.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Bill Kristol:

"... you shouldn't cut defense to the degree that you cut the department of urban development and housing"

Rand needs to pump out the defense cuts. Now. And not just a few billion. I'm talking a couple HUNDRED billion. I also strongly dislike him saying we should have small forces deployed overseas to fight terrorism. If your last name is Paul, and you ride in on your father's coattails, carry the mantle or GTFO post-haste.

I am drawing my criticism from his quote at the end of the interview (in addition to supporting troops overseas to fight terrorism):

"The first month we're gonna fix the budget, the next month will be social security, third month is medicare"

Where's the empire cutting, bro?

[Nate-ForLiberty]

wonderful interview. I'm really liking Rand's approach to the debt crisis. Only propose very moderate cuts and watch everyone go ape shit. Then point out with these cuts it still doesn't solve the problem. He handled the Israel question beautifully, too. 3/5 of 1% of the budget cuts is what Israel amounts to, yet because of it he must be a demon or something.

LAYIN' DOWN THE RANDSMACK!

[tangent4ronpaul]

I also strongly dislike him saying we should have small forces deployed overseas to fight terrorism. If your last name is Paul, and you ride in on your father's coattails, carry the mantle or GTFO post-haste.

I've heard Ron Paul say we should send special forces after them, not armies, and go after responsible individuals, not invade countries.

[Brett85]

I've heard Ron Paul say we should send special forces after them, not armies, and go after responsible individuals, not invade countries.

Yep, and that's exactly what Rand said. But that's not good enough for the pacifists.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Not a pacifist. Being one would preclude me from believing the American Revolution was a just cause; pure hogwash to even say something so ridiculous.

Ron has said he's open to cutting $750 billion from empire spending on a yearly basis. Rand's cut a few billion and hasn't laid out anything specific outside of his few billion. There's a massive difference there. Scarborough lobbed a 75 MPH fastball over the plate with his empire cutting question, and Rand slapped an infield single in the hole.

[Brett85]

Not a pacifist. Being one would preclude me from believing the American Revolution was a just cause; pure hogwash to even say something so ridiculous.

Ron has said he's open to cutting $750 billion from empire spending on a yearly basis. Rand's cut a few billion and hasn't laid out anything specific outside of his few billion. There's a massive difference there.

Rand wants to phase out the empire rather than just bring all the troops home all at once. He realizes that most people aren't comfortable with rapid foreign policy change.

[VBRonPaulFan]

Rand wants to phase out the empire rather than just bring all the troops home all at once. He realizes that most people aren't comfortable with rapid foreign policy change.

+1, it takes time to turn people around on their views. if you give them too much of a shock at once they won't listen to you anymore. america hasn't made the mistakes it's made overnight, it's been a long process.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Rand wants to phase out the empire rather than just bring all the troops home all at once. He realizes that most people aren't comfortable with rapid foreign policy change.

Yeah, except Rand's response to Scarborough's batting practice fastball was "we can have a strong national defense with the cuts I'm suggesting," while detailing nothing outside of the few billion he's proposed. Sorry, that's not empire cutting, that's what other Republican deficit hawks are saying.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Yeah, except Rand's response to Scarborough's batting practice fastball was "we can have a strong national defense with the cuts I'm suggesting," while detailing nothing outside of the few billion he's proposed. Sorry, that's not empire cutting, that's what other Republican deficit hawks are saying.

Ron's idea of a strong national defense is keeping a few boomers at sea and reserves / NG in the states.

-t

[ravedown]

i imagine it must be fairly shocking for the tv pundit balloonheads to hear a politician propose budget cuts that actually make sense and aren't based on partisan bias. rand is talking about what is best for everyone, regardless of party, economic background, etc. he clearly isn't interested in winning points for the republicans or attacking democrat positions...just bringing up common sense ideas. even the Israel/ foreign aid question...i challenge any liberal to argue against his point. you could tell joe s. became an instant fan.

[Brett85]

Yeah, except Rand's response to Scarborough's batting practice fastball was "we can have a strong national defense with the cuts I'm suggesting," while detailing nothing outside of the few billion he's proposed. Sorry, that's not empire cutting, that's what other Republican deficit hawks are saying.

But if you look at Rand's actual proposal he did include closing down some of the foreign military bases.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Ron's idea of a strong national defense is keeping a few boomers at sea and reserves / NG in the states.

-t

And we'd be far better off for it.


But if you look at Rand's actual proposal he did include closing down some of the foreign military bases.

I'm aware of what's in his proposal. If that's his idea of shutting down the empire, I'm not on board. Believe me, if he ends up being a chip off the old block, I will gladly eat my own words plus a plate or two of crow.

[TXcarlosTX]

I just saw the interview. WOW!

Rand is straight gangster!!!

Im not good with photoshop or anything but can I make a request.

We really need the Vibe Magazine Death Row Picture and replace the faces with Ron, Rand umm. Who can fill the other 2 spots?

I want this pic. Somone make it happen por fa vor!

[jtstellar]

Not a pacifist. Being one would preclude me from believing the American Revolution was a just cause; pure hogwash to even say something so ridiculous.

Ron has said he's open to cutting $750 billion from empire spending on a yearly basis. Rand's cut a few billion and hasn't laid out anything specific outside of his few billion. There's a massive difference there. Scarborough lobbed a 75 MPH fastball over the plate with his empire cutting question, and Rand slapped an infield single in the hole.


And we'd be far better off for it.



I'm aware of what's in his proposal. If that's his idea of shutting down the empire, I'm not on board. Believe me, if he ends up being a chip off the old block, I will gladly eat my own words plus a plate or two of crow.

how much narrower can you define the difference between two libertarian leaning thinkers

wtf do you want from us.. convince you out of your armchairing? or do you just need someone to talk to

"eat your words".. ya right like making a small post on some forum that 20 people in the world will ever get to read.. who cares really
how about just changing your screen name.. much faster

[tsai3904]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HuBFVzUakk&feature=player_embedded

[dannno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HuBFVzUakk&feature=player_embedded

vi...vi...vi........vi..vi..vi.........vivi...vide o tags :)

[teacherone]

rand nailed it.

the student could teach the master a few things.

[dannno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HuBFVzUakk&feature=player_embedded

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Amazing interview by Rand and the hosts!

[low preference guy]

"The first month we're gonna fix the budget, the next month will be social security, third month is medicare"

Where's the empire cutting, bro?

that's the fourth month

[driller80545]

If people think that easing out of the empire building costs is necessary to keep Americans calm, then they didn't pay any attention to the fall of the USSR.

[BarryDonegan]

Rand Paul is the best senator since Robert Taft.

[amonasro]

Rand does such a great job of getting his ideas across clearly, and he comes off as very likable and reasonable. Respect. When is he running for President?

[Prepperoni]

Did anyone notice how they cherry picked the possible slant towards Israel?

Rand Paul did a great job.

[Matt Collins]

Great interview. Rand clearly isn't worried about whether he gets re-elected in six years. He's going to propose some major cuts, personal consequences be damned. Mika and Joe were clearly impressed.Did you hear their last words? "yeah, he just went there!" :D

[Matt Collins]

Rand needs to pump out the defense cuts. Now. And not just a few billion. I'm talking a couple HUNDRED billion. I also strongly dislike him saying we should have small forces deployed overseas to fight terrorism. If your last name is Paul, and you ride in on your father's coattails, carry the mantle or GTFO post-haste.
You fail to understand that Rand is fundamentally in a different political position than his father is. Ron is the school, Rand is the business. Ron is where you learn and get your foundation, Rand is where it gets put into practice.


wonderful interview. I'm really liking Rand's approach to the debt crisis. Only propose very moderate cuts and watch everyone go ape shit. Then point out with these cuts it still doesn't solve the problem. Yep it's very smart politics. Rand is forcing these things to be discussed which will ultimately pull the entire damn Party his direction.

[PermanentSleep]

Rand is such a badass. He's going to have every liar by the balls in 4 months. :collins:

[Maximus]

Rand knocked that out of the park! I don't think any sane person can hear that interview and not come away from that with anything but a favorable impression of him.

[kahless]

I do not remember him covering SS the FNC interview. Not happy with the plan to raise the SS age. People budget their whole lives counting on SS and now he is going to propose raising the age.

Afghanistan alone, 2 billion a week! I see red, not at Rand but at the Republican establishment, the Neocons in both parties and their talk radio shills like Sean fucking Hannity. If it were not for them and their sick perversion with nation building, empire, never ending foreign aid to rich nations and their support for bankrupting the country in their zeal to support corporations of the military industrial complex, we would not have to raise the SS age.

[tangent4ronpaul]

MSM outlets and mainstream politicians are at least now starting to discuss these issues, that not too long ago would get you labeled as a nutcase.

I call that a major win!

-t

[Matt Collins]

that's the fourth month
Gotta love that dry sarcastic Paul sense of humor! :D

[georgiaboy]

now that's the way to spend political capital.

[college4life]

kahless, SS is hugely cash flow negative. We spend much more on SS now than on Afghanistan

[kahless]

kahless, SS is hugely cash flow negative. We spend much more on SS now than on Afghanistan

It runs out in 2037 if nothing is done. The short fall is something like a trilliion dollars over 30 years is needed. You singled out Afghanistan from my post, that alone is $104 billion. I also mentioned getting out of nation building, empire (i.e overseas base closings) and ending foreign aid. More than enough to fix social security. Either fix it, privatize it and/or allow opt out. Continuing to steal from us without ever getting a pay off due to raising the retirement age is NOT a solution.

[dannno]

Not happy with the plan to raise the SS age. People budget their whole lives counting on SS and now he is going to propose raising the age.

He only wants to raise the age for people under 55, thus giving you at least 10 years to prepare. Otherwise nobody will have any SS.

[college4life]

kahless, why do you think it lasts until 2037? Because the CBO says so? Ha, it won't make it nearly that long.

Social Security is a ponzi scheme that needs to be completely eradicated.

How can you support SS and be an RP fan?

[dannno]

How can you support SS and be an RP fan?

A lot of people support him on his foreign policy alone because that is really the first thing we need to change to fix our country. Not saying that is the case with them, but Ron Paul picks up a lot of fans from the left that way.

[kahless]

I am not on the left, you guys crack me up and are being very selective in reading my posts. I have said in this thread and in these forums that SS is theft, that it should be replaced with a private solution, allow opt out and/or pay back the funds that were stolen.

I was surprised to hear Rand proposing to fix social security. Ok, if you are going to fix it than do it the right way. Fund the dam thing by bringing the troops home and closing the bases. But don't give me this bullshit that raising the age is going to fix it.

If the solution being proposed came from someone else other than Rand you guys would be all over him. I support Rand on many things but this I believe is his compromise to the Neocon establishment.

[akforme]

Rand scared me a bit during the election but my problems are vanishing quickly. That was a great interview.

[QueenB4Liberty]

I thought it was a great interview. And he's taking baby steps but they are steps no one else is taking at the moment. Yay Rand!

[college4life]

Kahless, I agree about bringing troops home but that won't be enough to fund the program.

Honestly it will bleed 100 billion dollars this year most likely on a cashflow basis and there isn't some magical pot of trillions of dollars.

bonds must be sold to pay for SS, and with interest rates rising it will require much more than slight age adjustments.

it's funny you get upset with rand for wanting to alter SS a little, I get frustrated because he doesn't want to change SS even more.

[KAYA]

I do not remember him covering SS the FNC interview. Not happy with the plan to raise the SS age. People budget their whole lives counting on SS and now he is going to propose raising the age.

Afghanistan alone, 2 billion a week! I see red, not at Rand but at the Republican establishment, the Neocons in both parties and their talk radio shills like Sean fucking Hannity. If it were not for them and their sick perversion with nation building, empire, never ending foreign aid to rich nations and their support for bankrupting the country in their zeal to support corporations of the military industrial complex, we would not have to raise the SS age.

Tom Mullen wrote a nice blog about this very issue. http://thomasmullen.blogspot.com/2011/02/but-i-paid-into-it.html


Critics on the left have quite correctly pointed out that Tea Party activists who oppose President Obama’s “socialism” are hypocritical in that they do not oppose Social Security for themselves. The most common rebuttal to this criticism is usually something along the lines of Social Security being fundamentally different because the recipients pay into it. However, this argument is no different than arguing for a right to steal your younger neighbor’s car because an older neighbor has stolen yours. Allow me to explain.

[Southron]

I am not on the left, you guys crack me up and are being very selective in reading my posts. I have said in this thread and in these forums that SS is theft, that it should be replaced with a private solution, allow opt out and/or pay back the funds that were stolen.

I was surprised to hear Rand proposing to fix social security. Ok, if you are going to fix it than do it the right way. Fund the dam thing by bringing the troops home and closing the bases. But don't give me this bullshit that raising the age is going to fix it.

If the solution being proposed came from someone else other than Rand you guys would be all over him. I support Rand on many things but this I believe is his compromise to the Neocon establishment.

It will be easier to end in the future if less people are dependent on Social Security. It's not a perfect fix but I believe it is better than immediately cancelling the program.

[speciallyblend]

It will be easier to end in the future if less people are dependent on Social Security. It's not a perfect fix but I believe it is better than immediately cancelling the program.

i expect nothng from the us gov except heartache and slave taxes!!

[jtstellar]

I am not on the left, you guys crack me up and are being very selective in reading my posts. I have said in this thread and in these forums that SS is theft, that it should be replaced with a private solution, allow opt out and/or pay back the funds that were stolen.

I was surprised to hear Rand proposing to fix social security. Ok, if you are going to fix it than do it the right way. Fund the dam thing by bringing the troops home and closing the bases. But don't give me this bullshit that raising the age is going to fix it.

If the solution being proposed came from someone else other than Rand you guys would be all over him. I support Rand on many things but this I believe is his compromise to the Neocon establishment.

i don't want/need ss when i'm old and i'm not paying any taxes for it

when this thing comes crashing down we may or may not still have military presence overseas, but i'm definitely not giving you a dime of tax of ss to fund your gigantic fiscal hole. since i speak several languages i don't have to stay to pay taxes, although i would stay if possible because i want to participate in the ideological battle

hope that didn't crack you up

[jtstellar]

double post