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FrankRep
02-07-2011, 03:04 PM
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Bill Kristol, son of Irving Kristol -- the Godfather of Neoconservatism (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?257106-Defining-Terms-What-is-a-Neoconservative-%28Neocon%29)


Glenn Beck blasts Bill Kristol: 'Do anything to keep their little fiefdom together' (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0211/Beck_blasts_Kristol_Do_anything_to_keep_their_litt le_fiefdom_together.html)

Politico
February 07, 2011

Fox News's Glenn Beck lashed out at Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol on his radio show this morning, accusing Kristol of betraying conservatism and missing the significance of what Beck sees as an alliance between Islamism and socialism.



"I don't even know if you understand what conservatives are anymore, Billy," Beck said in his extended, sarcastic attack on Kristol. "People like Bill Kristol, I don't think they stand for anything any more. All they stand for is power. They'll do anything to keep their little fiefdom together, and they'll do anything to keep the Republican power entrenched."


Kristol this weekend took Beck to task for the latter's skepticism of the Egyptian uprising:


When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He’s marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.
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Background:


Bill Kristol: Ron Paul is the Anti-Liberty candidate (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2007/12/bill-kristol-ron-paul-is-anti-liberty.html)

December 25, 2007


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rduigENzHo



[Glenn Beck] brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He’s marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.


The Liberty movement rebukes you, Bill Kristol! Ron Paul supports the John Birch Society.


Ron Paul At the 50th Anniversary of the John Birch Society (http://www.vimeo.com/19602654)


http://www.vimeo.com/19602654


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Bill Kristol and the Neoconservative Movement:



Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?257106-Defining-Terms-What-is-a-Neoconservative-%28Neocon%29)

Neoconservatism's deadly influence: A look at the roots of neoconservatism and the reasons why this deadly movement must be rejected in favor of the true conservatism as envisioned by our Founders

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Conservatives, Neoconservatives and Constitutionalists


John F. McManus, John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/) President
August 2010


Early members of The John Birch Society commonly labeled their own and the Society’s political preference as “conservative.” These doughty Americans were opposed to government controls, the United Nations, and anything that smacked of communism. Occasionally, someone with a bit of history under his belt would interject that liberals of the 19th Century were the equivalent of conservatives in the 20th. True enough, but “So what!’ was the frequent rejoinder. It had already become obvious that the terms conservative and liberal weren’t defined with any precision.

Jump ahead 20-30 years and JBS members found themselves being lumped together with so-called conservatives who were advocating bigger government and foreign interventionism. Mercifully, some prominent promoters of these very un-conservative views adopted the term “neoconservative” for themselves. The most prominent of the neocons, journalist Irving Kristol, reveled in being characterized as “the godfather of Neoconservatism,” a title he richly deserved.


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Irving Kristol took delight in being characterized as “the godfather of Neoconservatism.”


Kristol spelled out neocon belief in his 1995 opus Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566632285?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1566632285). He said that it squared with Franklin Roosevelt’s “New Deal,” and wanted nothing to do with “the kind of isolationism that then permeated American conservatism.” There you have the definition of neoconservatism: socialism and internationalism. Kristol went so far as to candidly admit, “I regard myself as lucky to have been a young Trotskyite and I have not a single bitter memory.” The partner of Lenin in communizing Russia, Trotsky later fell into disfavor for backing the slower route to deadly totalitarianism. If one accepts Kristol’s definition, and there is no reason not to do so, Trotsky was the first neoconservative.
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Stary Hickory
02-07-2011, 03:19 PM
I hate all the clowns that coopted the Old Right. Just like I hate the progressives who coopted the Old Old Old Democratic party.

lester1/2jr
02-07-2011, 03:20 PM
Ironically, he was chewing kristol out for not being islamophobic ENOUGH.

Justinjj1
02-07-2011, 03:30 PM
Beck is a fearmongering idiot, this is the only time I can think of that I agree with Krisol.

acptulsa
02-07-2011, 03:36 PM
Beck is a fearmongering idiot, this is the only time I can think of that I agree with Krisol.

Oh, Kristol is just trying to help Beck gain rebel street cred. Doesn't exactly give me confidence that Beck isn't controlled opposition. If he were, Kristol would never, ever mention his name. Would he?

HOLLYWOOD
02-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Glenn Beck and William Kristol were spotted together @ Four Seasons for the Post Theater Colby Beef Tartare

FrankRep
02-07-2011, 03:43 PM
Fox News's Glenn Beck lashed out at Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol on his radio show this morning, accusing Kristol of betraying conservatism and missing the significance of what Beck sees as an alliance between Islamism and socialism.


Fanning the Flames of Revolution in Egypt (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6137-fanning-the-flames-of-revolution-in-egypt)
Christian Gomez | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
01 February 2011

As Mubarak's Egypt succumbs to revolution, little is none of the forces fueling the protest, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, but moreso the role of the Communist Party of Egypt in revolution's inception and current activities - thus revealing an Islamo-Communist connection. by Christian Gomez

U.S. Socialists and Communists Exploiting Events in Egypt (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6159-us-socialists-and-communists-exploiting-events-in-egypt)
Christian Gomez | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
02 February 2011

As many Americans of Egyptian decent protested in cities across the country, this past weekend, demonstrating in solidarity with their families back in Egypt, forces on the far-Left from ANSWER coalition to the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) have taken advantage of the situation to promote their socialist agendas.

Sola_Fide
02-07-2011, 03:51 PM
There IS an alliance between Islam and socialism. Glen Beck is right about that. The worldview of Islam centers around a mosque-state, top-down, centralization of life.

BUT, the fact is that US militarism in the middle east has prevented even the POSSIBILITY that more liberty-minded sentiments could arise.

paulitics
02-07-2011, 03:52 PM
And here is a great example of the hegelian dialectic at work. Bill Kristol, an actual Islamophobic war mongering bigot, is made to look like the voice of reason by none other than Beck, who is supposed to represent the tea party wing of the conservative movement.

We need to continue to distance ourselves from this snake.

lester1/2jr
02-07-2011, 03:56 PM
justin -same here.

FrankRep
02-07-2011, 04:02 PM
And here is a great example of the hegelian dialectic at work. Bill Kristol, an actual Islamophobic war mongering bigot, is made to look like the voice of reason by none other than Beck, who is supposed to represent the tea party wing of the conservative movement.

We need to continue to distance ourselves from this snake.

Glenn Beck called Kristol out on the Hegelian Dialectic game he's playing though.

I find it sad that some members of RPFs are calling Glenn Beck and myself "Islamophobic" because we're talking about the Muslim Brotherhood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood) Organization.

Brett85
02-07-2011, 04:06 PM
Glenn Beck called Kristol out on the Hegelian Dialectic game he's playing though.

I find it sad that some members of RPFs are calling Glenn Beck and myself "Islamophobic" because we're talking about the Muslim Brotherhood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood) Organization.

And what nobody will admit is that Beck never called for any military intervention in the Egypt situation. He told O'Reilly that we needed to just stay out of it.

Stary Hickory
02-07-2011, 04:13 PM
Glenn Beck called Kristol out on the Hegelian Dialectic game he's playing though.

I find it sad that some members of RPFs are calling Glenn Beck and myself "Islamophobic" because we're talking about the Muslim Brotherhood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood) Organization.


No man radical Muslim groups are just plain cool while back water Christians ought to be crucified...and let us not forget those dirty Jews!

I just have come to expect that from the forums here, it's not as overt as I put it just now, but I do get tired of it. Whether people want to admit it or nor Islam is being used as a tool for a lot of violence right now. I don't necessarily blame the religion, it's kind of like a gun, doesn't kill by itself.

But the thing is extreme fringe Islamic groups do exist, I don't think they would be anything significant if the US and the World would simply leave the Middle East alone, but still it's there. This is why I have little faith in the revolutions in the Middle East, I think the hardcore religious and violent groups over there are so organized, I just wonder if freedom has nay chance at all. I hope so, but in anycase, the Middle East just has to do it's own thing. And we see what happens.

I think if we pull out and the world quits intervening over there, some kind of peace will be achieved there, and there will not be the motivation to cling to violence, and these radical religious groups will dwindle.

The Dark Knight
02-07-2011, 04:35 PM
Beck is all over the place on foreign policy, but Its good to see him go after the Neocons,...... i've said all along, Beck is going to be key in 2012(because of role with the tea party.) In his new book "broke" he talked very positively of Dr. Paul a number of times.

Rothbardian Girl
02-07-2011, 04:40 PM
I should actually show this to my dad. He constantly denies that neocons even exist. (:confused: I don't know either.) But he also watches Beck constantly.

Again, I don't necessarily know if GB fully understands what he is talking about (he didn't seem to show that in the interview with O'Reilly, and I definitely disagree with his hysteria regarding !!!!!ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS!!!!!), but hey, if he's talking the right talk, it might be enough to convince his supporters that there is another path besides interventionism...

I also don't agree that the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrible threat, but that's obviously for another thread.

FrankRep
02-07-2011, 04:42 PM
Beck is all over the place on foreign policy, but Its good to see him go after the Neocons,...... i've said all along, Beck is going to be key in 2012(because of role with the tea party.) In his new book "broke" he talked very positively of Dr. Paul a number of times.

Judge Napolitano has done an excellent job on shifting Glenn Beck away from his previous Pro-War, Pro-Torture, Pro-PATRIOT Act viewpoints.


Judge Napolitano: I converted Glenn Beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cXj0Iz7FI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgn55H3XLw

Glenn Beck: I was Stupid for Supporting the PATRIOT Act
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=123773

outspoken
02-07-2011, 04:45 PM
No man radical Muslim groups are just plain cool while back water Christians ought to be crucified...and let us not forget those dirty Jews!

I just have come to expect that from the forums here, it's not as overt as I put it just now, but I do get tired of it. Whether people want to admit it or nor Islam is being used as a tool for a lot of violence right now. I don't necessarily blame the religion, it's kind of like a gun, doesn't kill by itself.

But the thing is extreme fringe Islamic groups do exist, I don't think they would be anything significant if the US and the World would simply leave the Middle East alone, but still it's there. This is why I have little faith in the revolutions in the Middle East, I think the hardcore religious and violent groups over there are so organized, I just wonder if freedom has nay chance at all. I hope so, but in anycase, the Middle East just has to do it's own thing. And we see what happens.

I think if we pull out and the world quits intervening over there, some kind of peace will be achieved there, and there will not be the motivation to cling to violence, and these radical religious groups will dwindle.

Have you ever read the Koran? I read a lot of 'new age' spirituality stuff so I consider myself open to all faiths. I decided to take a crack at it having read a lot of East and West religion. It is a religion based on the writings within the Koran that command suppression and at times violence... rather savage and sexist imo. Even within countries that are 100% Muslim, they do not have peace because the basic tenets do not command its followers to be peaceful and loving. It is like an egoic battle to see who can serve God via showing their might. All fundamentalists within all religions should be seen for what they are at heart; heartless.

The Dark Knight
02-07-2011, 04:46 PM
@Frank rep
I agree, I think the judge has gotten to him and made a difference, The Beck of 07 and 08 is not the Beck of 2010 and 2011 that is for sure. Beck has said on a number of times he starting to agree with Ron Paul more and more.

outspoken
02-07-2011, 04:48 PM
Judge Napolitano has done an excellent job on shifting Glenn Beck away from his previous Pro-War, Pro-Torture, PATRIOT Act viewpoints.


Judge Napolitano: I converted Glenn Beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cXj0Iz7FI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgn55H3XLw

Glenn Beck: I was Stupid for Supporting the PATRIOT Act
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=123773

While Beck runs out the mouth, the one thing he does do is pursue greater truth. Often what he speaks of is out of ignorance. Most other neo cons are so mind-consumed with being right that they dare not pursue greater understanding and truth. Such adherence to blantant ignorance is born virtually all the ills of the world. I give Beck props for at least being open minded enough to gather information and listening to clear minded Constitutional respecting people like the Judge.

ravedown
02-07-2011, 05:06 PM
beck...such a mess, his show today was total blatant fear mongering and promoting US/Egyptian intervention. his behavior once again supports my theory that his political rhetoric is only a front for his true underlying message, that this is a holy war, Christianity ( the mormon version) vs Islam. Trying to determine becks political allegiance is a waste of time, its all about his faith.

Brett85
02-07-2011, 05:11 PM
beck...such a mess, his show today was total blatant fear mongering and promoting US/Egyptian intervention. his behavior once again supports my theory that his political rhetoric is only a front for his true underlying message, that this is a holy war, Christianity ( the mormon version) vs Islam. Trying to determine becks political allegiance is a waste of time, its all about his faith.

Beck is just all over the place on foreign policy issues. He seems to change his mind every day.

FrankRep
02-07-2011, 05:19 PM
beck...such a mess, his show today was total blatant fear mongering and promoting US/Egyptian intervention.

What exactly did Glenn Beck say in relation to US/Egyptian intervention? Do you have a video clip?

I'm calling B.S. on your statement until I see proof.

TNforPaul45
02-07-2011, 05:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rduigENzHo

"He's a crackpot, John!"
"He's a libertarian that doesn't care anything about liberty!"



HAHAHAHHAHA Bill Kristol, you seething demon. There's a man, coming round, taking names. And he'll know, who to love, and who to blame. Remember Bill Kristol, some day, there's a Man, comin' round!

Immortal Technique
02-07-2011, 05:43 PM
their both useless