Citizen = serf/slave, We the People = masters??

[hazek]

WTF?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJh3NP_pj-E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6Xz0a3qnzI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-0EfiCoyyQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5LjvJ1x0r8

[hazek]

U.S. is a corporation and they are holding back your shares and voting for you?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5cvEOpcSK0

[hazek]

http://www.thinkfree.ca/

Created by Robert-Arthur of the Menard family, Managed and Assisted by Robert-Scott (Raw-Be) and filmmaker/media activist Paul Verge;
ThinkFree.ca (the website) is devoted achieving a Freer and more Just society, where corporations actually follow their own acts and statutes, profit isn't made by force, and no Man or Woman is forced to consent to any Act or Statute.
We seek to promote the balance between good, responsible and transparent government, spiritual and economic freedom, and the joy of laughing, dancing and consuming healthy nutritious food and water.

In order to make these goals possible, we find that people must become more self-aware and responsible, more consciously empowered, and more loving individuals, which enables us all to see through the deceptions and blind spots that stand in the way between our conscious selves, and the happy paradise this planet can be! The foremost of these deceptions is...
THE LEGAL SYSTEM

[Danke]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?187645-Robert-Menard-Bursting-Bubbles-of-Government-Deception&highlight=

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?204379-There-is-only-debt.&p=2255198&viewfull=1#post2255198

[hazek]

I mean is this some alter reality or WTF, how come more people aren't writing about this?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbE4E769838

And Danke I read that second thread that you posted and it seems like people say that trying to claim your sovereignty is all just hogwash and will lose you everything you have and your freedom?

[Danke]

And Danke I read that second thread that you posted and it seems like people say that trying to claim your sovereignty is all just hogwash and will lose you everything you have and your freedom?

That has not been my experience.

[teacherone]

sovereign movement= linguistic mumbo-jumbo will free me from my corporate master.

it's pretty silly. they get all wrapped up in legalize and study ancient law like some religious tome promising freedom.

they seem to forget the other guys have lots of guns and cages.

the keys too.

[hazek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB36UVnaNFQ

[teacherone]

^^^dude. there's an epic thread here about that project.

they're a bunch of nutters.


Great News - see the link In Depth Interview with Tim Turner from 12-15-2010 - Click Here - at the top of the page on http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org

The de facto corporate government has asked to form a peace compact with the de jure republic. Things are going to get moving in the near future. We will have remedy soon and America will be free. The new identification warrants will be accepted by all members of the de facto, including the IRS. Just show your ID and you're tax free.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?231468-The-Restore-America-Plan&p=3034815&viewfull=1#post3034815

[Danke]

sovereign movement= linguistic mumbo-jumbo will free me from my corporate master.

it's pretty silly. they get all wrapped up in legalize and study ancient law like some religious tome promising freedom.

they seem to forget the other guys have lots of guns and cages.

the keys too.

Speaking from experience?

[teacherone]

Speaking from experience?

not personal no.

the movement has the right principles. they're just not practical.

there are two ways out of this mess--

1) revolution (violent, or peaceful)
2) political (get enough good guys elected)

I'm pretty sure 2 will never happen so 1 is inevitable--- just a matter of time.

redefining yourself without capital letters or whatever it is they're doing won't cut it.

[Danke]

not personal no.



Then I'll consider your posts on the subject as "linguistic mumbo-jumbo."

[teacherone]

Then I'll consider your posts on the subject as "linguistic mumbo-jumbo."

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/17/128818274515813906.jpg

[HOLLYWOOD]

SO... Does this mean that Barack H. Obama's original Birth Certificate is located at 55 Water Street, NY NY? ;)

[Danke]

SO... Does this mean that Barack H. Obama's original Birth Certificate is located at 55 Water Street, NY NY? ;)

lol. Ask to see you original BC, not a copy. Good luck!

[heavenlyboy34]

not personal no.

the movement has the right principles. they're just not practical.

there are two ways out of this mess--

1) revolution (violent, or peaceful)
2) political (get enough good guys elected)

I'm pretty sure 2 will never happen so 1 is inevitable--- just a matter of time.

redefining yourself without capital letters or whatever it is they're doing won't cut it.

you forgot 3) withdraw consent from the regime and let it die, then start anew. :cool:

[hazek]

I started this thread because it's the first time I've heard such a talk. I'm not even an American so it doesn't affect me directly but from what I've watched so far their speak doesn't sound all to crazy to me.

The only thing that I wonder is if their logic holds up in court? In that last video Tim talk about singing a new declaration and forming a new government and after filling it they got visited by the FBI. I mean is this really happening or is this just their fantasy world or something??

[HOLLYWOOD]

Found this site and some updates: http://www.morningliberty.com/2010/12/25/tim-turner-joint-terrorism-task-force-approves-the-republic/

I look at their web traffic: http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/

http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage.png

Summary by Month
Month Daily Avg Monthly Totals Hits Files Pages Visits Sites KBytes Visits Pages Files Hits
Feb 2011 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201102.html) 448 273 185 111 363 4022 335 555 819 1346
Jan 2011 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201101.html) 825 496 440 155 2882 69564 4821 13667 15394 25586
Dec 2010 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201012.html) 724 461 323 155 2920 53220 4809 10043 14313 22463
Nov 2010 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201011.html) 731 371 252 151 1296 7993 1363 2272 3341 6580
Totals 134799 11328 26537 33867 55975

[hazek]

Found this site and some updates: http://www.morningliberty.com/2010/12/25/tim-turner-joint-terrorism-task-force-approves-the-republic/

I look at their web traffic: http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/

http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage.png

Summary by Month
Month Daily Avg Monthly Totals Hits Files Pages Visits Sites KBytes Visits Pages Files Hits
Feb 2011 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201102.html) 448 273 185 111 363 4022 335 555 819 1346
Jan 2011 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201101.html) 825 496 440 155 2882 69564 4821 13667 15394 25586
Dec 2010 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201012.html) 724 461 323 155 2920 53220 4809 10043 14313 22463
Nov 2010 (http://americacanbefree.com/webalizer/usage_201011.html) 731 371 252 151 1296 7993 1363 2272 3341 6580
Totals 134799 11328 26537 33867 55975

Meaning?

[hazek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB36UVnaNFQ

At the 57min mark in this one Tim answers the question of how is the republic going to get enforced and he says that the military will have to come on board and accept the Republic as the only lawful governing body. He then says that the military already knows about their plans and likes them.

Again, are these people actually talking to the military or is this just a figment of their imagination??

[hazek]

Apperantly not a entirely a figment of their imagination:

Sovereign citizens — a 21st Century counter culture
Study estimates up to 300,000 Americans defy federal, state laws

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38668124/ns/us_news-life/

[Danke]

Sovereign citizens

No such thing.

[hazek]

Oh right, it's an oxymoron?