Ron Paul called the Reagan Revolution a failure

[Agorism]

link here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ5yN88LGng#t=8m10s)


The Reagan revolution is over and done with, and it failed. I was a Reagan supporter and delegate in 1976…. nothing was accomplished.
–Ron Paul

[sailingaway]

I'm not sure we want to bring that up this year. The plan on the right is to canonize the man.

[Agorism]

Why not run to the right of Reagan who is falsely cannonized. Limbaugh keeps praising Reagan so it's important to point out the Reagan scam.

[Stary Hickory]

Well honestly I was young when he was POTUS but I never considered it a revolution, if it were he would have had more GOPs revolutionaires in the flanks in the Senate and House....had he a GOP Senate+House....I think things would have been much much different. I am not going to say that they were perfect but under Reagan a lot of good could have happened, I don't think you would have seem the deficits.

I listened to Reagans diaries on a road trip once, he was a good man, fairly enlightened. More so than nay president we have had in like god, 50-60 years? He at the very least went from Democrat, and then followed Goldwater, and read Hayek, and understood libertarianism and ran GOP. He wasn't your typicl brain dead POTUS. G W Bush was probably one of the stupidest presidents I have ever seen though, so it really makes Reagan look good when you compare him to Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.

[Fredom101]

link here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ5yN88LGng#t=8m10s)


The Reagan revolution is over and done with, and it failed. I was a Reagan supporter and delegate in 1976…. nothing was accomplished.
–Ron Paul

Of course it was a failure. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be in the shitty situation we're in now!

[Agorism]

I don't think you need the senate and the house personally.

For instance, the president could declassify all government information on his first day in office including military information. He could prevent the military and all government agencies from functioning even the IRS, etc.

The presidency is basically a king position. Besides we've seen what the R's did during the Bush Regime, and it was actually worse than Reagan did with the dems.

[Stary Hickory]

I don't think you need the senate and the house personally.

For instance, the president could declassify all government information on his first day in office including military information. He could prevent the military and all government agencies from functioning even the IRS, etc.

The presidency is basically a king position. Besides we've seen what the R's did during the Bush Regime, and it was actually worse than Reagan did with the dems.

But he had major problems fighting the Senate and House when he was POTUS. It's not that simple, nor do I think you would last long if you gave off the impression that you were using your powers specifically to outmaneuver the elected legislative body.

[Agorism]

Declassify all government information and see how long it functions. Fire all union workers. Tell all armed forces personal to lay down their arms. Find ways to prevent the federal reserve and IRS from functioning.

I believe the president can do these things. It will create chaos of course...but that's kind of the agenda anyways.

[RyanRSheets]

Why not run to the right of Reagan who is falsely cannonized. Limbaugh keeps praising Reagan so it's important to point out the Reagan scam.

No, it's important to choose your battles wisely. Reagan endorsed Ron. Ron's practically the only person who can make such a claim. Use it.

[erowe1]

No, it's important to choose your battles wisely. Reagan endorsed Ron. Ron's practically the only person who can make such a claim. Use it.

I think the rhetorical strategy should be a balanced one. Share videos of Reagan's great speeches where he espoused things we agree with. Share things like this Reason interview (http://reason.com/archives/1975/07/01/inside-ronald-reagan), or this overview of his very non-neo-con foreign policy (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/06/07/think_again_ronald_reagan). Compliment his tax cuts, his support for the gold standard, and his standing up to unions. But challenge conservatives with the idea that if Reagan really is their high water mark, then should they really be satisfied with that? Shouldn't they aim for something better? Something that doesn't include dramatically increasing government spending and deficits? And challenge the whole Cold War myth. Do we taxpayers really need to have money taken from us so that it can be wasted on expanding a nuclear arsenal far beyond any possible defensive benefits that even its defenders admit we could get from it, as this op-ed (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/opinion/24schaub.html?_r=1) explains?

[Anti Federalist]

Ron Paul needs to keep his mouth shut damnit.

Ron Paul is making the Ron Paul movement look bad.

Oh...wait...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

:collins:

[Swmorgan77]

"The Reagan revolution is over and done with, and it failed. I was a Reagan supporter and delegate in 1976…. nothing was accomplished.
–Ron Paul "

This seems just self-evident, unless anyone believes the government has gotten smaller (in terms of intrusiveness and percentage of GDP) since his election. As for whether to bring it up, what exact extent of denial should we engage in to make RP more "appealing?" His appeal in 2008 was his willingness to state very politically unpopular, and conservative-alienating, realities in a clear and honest manner. That appeals to people more than we often realize, and people can discern when a candidate is fudging an important belief of theirs to keep popularity *cough* Romney *cough*

From a tactical point of view, I would say RP should go out of his way to find truths that are politically unconventional to point out and base the campaign on doing so. Its the best way to distinguish himself from the pack of doofuses in the primary.

[jtstellar]

you need to ask where people are coming from when they pose such opinions.. sometimes it seems some wouldn't care if the political movement of this gathering had completely failed. some might even feel exuberance, having falsely connected the lack of support for an egyptian style overthrow of government with the support of the liberty movement, thinking that the support has been siphoned.

[Matt Collins]

Just search LewRockwell.com for "Reagan" and see what pops up. heh heh heh

[speciallyblend]

pretty much true Reagan sold out to gop establishment!!

[speciallyblend]

"The Reagan revolution is over and done with, and it failed. I was a Reagan supporter and delegate in 1976…. nothing was accomplished.
–Ron Paul "

This seems just self-evident, unless anyone believes the government has gotten smaller (in terms of intrusiveness and percentage of GDP) since his election. As for whether to bring it up, what exact extent of denial should we engage in to make RP more "appealing?" His appeal in 2008 was his willingness to state very politically unpopular, and conservative-alienating, realities in a clear and honest manner. That appeals to people more than we often realize, and people can discern when a candidate is fudging an important belief of theirs to keep popularity *cough* Romney *cough*

From a tactical point of view, I would say RP should go out of his way to find truths that are politically unconventional to point out and base the campaign on doing so. Its the best way to distinguish himself from the pack of doofuses in the primary.

i agree, the fact is if it wasn't for Ron Paul's Honesty and Trust!:) I surely would of never joined the gop let alone send a republican money!!!!

[klamath]

link here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ5yN88LGng#t=8m10s)


The Reagan revolution is over and done with, and it failed. I was a Reagan supporter and delegate in 1976…. nothing was accomplished.

–Ron Paul
Won't win many converts this way but aw well par for the course. Since RP was part of the Reagan revolution he could also be called a failure. The campaign that he made this statement was a dismal failure. The point is he didn't make this statment now or even in 2008, he made it 22 years ago during a failing campaign when he also did things like attacking people personally. RP was carefull not to make these kinds of statements the last time he ran but by all means keep bringing them up and spread it to all the GOP meetings. RP has grown up quite a bit like most people do.

[emazur]

I think the rhetorical strategy should be a balanced one. Share videos of Reagan's great speeches where he espoused things we agree with. Share things like this Reason interview (http://reason.com/archives/1975/07/01/inside-ronald-reagan), or this overview of his very non-neo-con foreign policy (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/06/07/think_again_ronald_reagan). Compliment his tax cuts, his support for the gold standard, and his standing up to unions. But challenge conservatives with the idea that if Reagan really is their high water mark, then should they really be satisfied with that? Shouldn't they aim for something better? Something that doesn't include dramatically increasing government spending and deficits? And challenge the whole Cold War myth. Do we taxpayers really need to have money taken from us so that it can be wasted on expanding a nuclear arsenal far beyond any possible defensive benefits that even its defenders admit we could get from it, as this op-ed (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/opinion/24schaub.html?_r=1) explains?

I agree with you. I hadn't seen that Foreign Policy article on Reagan - I've only read the first page of it so far, but here's a similar one just released by a CATO guy:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12744
For the Cold War arms race myth, see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_HGZGbooPw
I love this clip for those neocons who always say America should never talk to its enemies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpfXw2Nj_Wk
I'd like to see the video of this endorsement if anybody has it:
Paul is a shrewder politician than he’s given credit for. Early on, he branded himself "the taxpayer’s best friend." When, in the early 1980s, his isolationism threatened to cost him his seat, Paul came up with a showstopper. In a videotaped campaign ad mailed to Republicans throughout his district, Ronald Reagan offered this endorsement: "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he has always put them first."
-Joshua Green, "The Tea Party’s Brain", Atlantic Magazine Nov. 2010

And I'll put this here just for the hell of it since it's one of my more popular youtube videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P_k2qGadFU

[klamath]

Just search LewRockwell.com for "Reagan" and see what pops up. heh heh heh
Search lew rockwell + racism and see what pops up!!

[HOLLYWOOD]

I don't know why anyone blames it on the presidents... they're all propaganda-figure head puppets. I adore how these NEOCONs all use Reagan's name and quotes, yet they have nothing in common. Anyway, just frontman names for the establishment to label. POTUS, et al, just a bunch of used-car salesman on the sleaziest lots, peddling cheap one liners that have been repeatedly abused to gimmick the people. Challenge the status quo, challenge the Elitist, the Aristocracy, the Money Masters... you're out of the race, ask Ron P.

But we know why that Zodiac Freak Nancy endorsed McMoron.

[nobody's_hero]

With the exception of over-blowing the whole communist threat, Reagan said a lot of the right things and did practically nothing to fulfill those statements.

But more people remember Reagan for what he said, than what he did.

[V for Voluntary]

The point is he didn't make this statment now or even in 2008, he made it 22 years ago during a failing campaign when he also did things like attacking people personally. RP was carefull not to make these kinds of statements the last time he ran but by all means keep bringing them up and spread it to all the GOP meetings. RP has grown up quite a bit like most people do.

Not in 2008 - that I know of, but he has made a similar statement since then..

"You're mixed up about Ronald Reagan. I voted against all his budgets. He talked good about the market place, but deficits skyrocketed. He expanded government."
-Ron Paul, C-Span, January 30th, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf9fmHrbVn0#t=0m11s (11 seconds into the video.)

01-30-2009 06:51 PM
paulitics
Wow, Ron Paul really hit his stride in the final minute. It was a knock out punch that even I didn't see coming. He appeared somewhat tired, almost frazzled until the last caller. Then, bam, out of nowhere he beat her over the head with the hard truth, completely obliterating her Ronald Regan myth that he was small government.

02-03-2009 01:36 AM
Knightskye
Yeah, it made me think of this interview he did in 1988:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar115s_f2hc

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?177482-Ron-Paul-Slams-Angry-Liberal-Caller-on-C-SPAN-quot-You-re-for-Socialism!-quot/page3

[Pericles]

Of course it was a failure. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be in the shitty situation we're in now!
that +rep for you

[klamath]

Not in 2008 - that I know of, but he has made a similar statement since then..

"You're mixed up about Ronald Reagan. I voted against all his budgets. He talked good about the market place, but deficits skyrocketed. He expanded government."
-Ron Paul, C-Span, January 30th, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf9fmHrbVn0#t=0m11s (11 seconds into the video.)

01-30-2009 06:51 PM
paulitics
Wow, Ron Paul really hit his stride in the final minute. It was a knock out punch that even I didn't see coming. He appeared somewhat tired, almost frazzled until the last caller. Then, bam, out of nowhere he beat her over the head with the hard truth, completely obliterating her Ronald Regan myth that he was small government.

02-03-2009 01:36 AM
Knightskye
Yeah, it made me think of this interview he did in 1988:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar115s_f2hc

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?177482-Ron-Paul-Slams-Angry-Liberal-Caller-on-C-SPAN-quot-You-re-for-Socialism!-quot/page3

And RP in his judgement of Reagans failure also needs to reflect on his own failures. When you judge a person by what they accomplished versus what they tried to accomplish RP is a far bigger failure than Reagan. The government has grown far more in RP's terms in the house, a senate run and two presidential runs, than under Reagan Therefore RP expanded government.
Judge not or ye be judged.

[Rothbardian Girl]

Just search LewRockwell.com for "Reagan" and see what pops up. heh heh heh

This is one of my favorite things to do... I especially love reading the scathing criticism Rothbard had for Reagan... makes me laugh every time.

[Anti Federalist]

And RP in his judgement of Reagans failure also needs to reflect on his own failures. When you judge a person by what they accomplished versus what they tried to accomplish RP is a far bigger failure than Reagan. The government has grown far more in RP's terms in the house, a senate run and two presidential runs, than under Reagan Therefore RP expanded government.
Judge not or ye be judged.

Why are you still here?

Wouldn't Free Republic be a better fit?

[speciallyblend]

Why are you still here?

Wouldn't Free Republic be a better fit?

by klamath reasoning klamath screwed this country up!!

[Anti Federalist]

by klamath reasoning klamath screwed this country up!!

LoL...yah, hadn't thought of that way.

I mean, I know exactly what brother klamath thinks of me, and that's fine, but, sheesh, every time turn around, seems he's got something negative to say about everybody else here.

[klamath]

by klamath reasoning klamath screwed this country up!!
As a matter of fact I do take responsibilty for the parts I played unlike others that always believe it is someone else that causes all the problems. Bet you never voted for anyone that took part in passing bad laws. The American people have no one but themselves to blame for what goes on in this country.

[klamath]

LoL...yah, hadn't thought of that way.

I mean, I know exactly what brother klamath thinks of me, and that's fine, but, sheesh, every time turn around, seems he's got something negative to say about everybody else here.
Not everybody but I will call the shots how I see them. When someone turns to violence for every situation I will always hold their violent opinions in contemp.

[Pericles]

Not everybody but I will call the shots how I see them. When someone turns to violence for every situation I will always hold their violent opinions in contemp.

One of the things I learned in the Army is that you really can solve 80% of your problems with the judicious use of automatic weapons.

[Anti Federalist]

Not everybody but I will call the shots how I see them. When someone turns to violence for every situation I will always hold their violent opinions in contemp.

Well, that's good.

Wouldn't want it any other way.

[Anti Federalist]

One of the things I learned in the Army is that you really can solve 80% of your problems with the judicious use of automatic weapons.

LoL, I always heard the quote was "through the judicious application of high explosives".

[Pericles]

LoL, I always heard the quote was "through the judicious application of high explosives".
That is the difference between the combat arms guys and the combat engineers.

[klamath]

One of the things I learned in the Army is that you really can solve 80% of your problems with the judicious use of automatic weapons.
Well actually there isn't anything quite as fun as sending tracers downrange or playing with stuff civilians never have a chance to do. If you don't stop to think about the human beings downrange it is a freaking blast!

[Agorism]

Maybe we need "The Reagan Scam" shirts.

[ClayTrainor]

Sadly, I think a Ron Paul presidency would end up in a similar situation if it were to occur. Ron Paul is a man of conviction and i respect him a great deal for that, he definitely has the right idea of what direction we need to head in... but the end game is... when u sit in that seat, you play ball with TPTB, or you get whacked.

[Pericles]

Sadly, I think a Ron Paul presidency would end up in a similar situation if it were to occur. Ron Paul is a man of conviction and i respect him a great deal for that, he definitely has the right idea of what direction we need to head in... but the end game is... when u sit in that seat, you play ball with TPTB, or you get whacked.
You have to get the program through Congress, and that is where the real power is.

[akforme]

Here's a great video about Reagan by Bill Moyer's:

The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430#