Why Oathkeepers is so damn important.

[Anti Federalist]

Egyptian Army: 'We Will Not Use Force'

11:58pm UK, Monday January 31, 2011

Stuart Ramsay in Cairo

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Egyptian-Army-We-Wont-Use-Force-Against-Protesters/Article/201103415919803?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header _0&lid=ARTICLE_15919803_Egyptian_Army:_We_Wont_Use_Fo rce_Against_Protesters

The Egyptian army has said it will not use force against protesters calling for the removal of President Hosni Mubarak ahead of a "million people" march.

The military said it considers the people's demands "legitimate".

It comes as Egypt's new vice president, Omar Suleiman, says he has been asked by Mr Mubarak to begin a dialogue with the opposition for constitutional change.

Interestingly, it comes as those various political factions, which as a rule do not get on, said they are prepared to talk and work together to bring about change.

[VegasPatriot]

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I just started working on a new video about Oath Keepers and how it relates to the Egyptian military. Stewart is in Vegas for a few days and hopefully will have enough time to come over to my place and narrate the video.

[pcosmar]

Events are still unfolding at this posting.
Here and there,
DO THE RIGHT THING

[VegasPatriot]

From Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers:

Oath Keepers, right now we have a wonderful opportunity to spread our message far and wide, and to entirely new audiences all over the world and all over our nation, since our message goes right to the heart of what happened recently in Tunisia and what is now happening in Egypt - that if revolution becomes necessary, the military should simply stand down, step aside, and let the people handle it. That is what the Tunisian military did, to their honor, and what seems to be happening now in Egypt - the military is not simply following orders, but also not pulling a military coup, but instead is simply stepping out of the way and standing down. I hope and pray that if another revolution becomes necessary here in America, that our military will do the same, leaving it to We the People to take care of the situation, which we certainly would.

Please help spread our message by commenting on articles and discussion threads about Egypt all over the web. Egypt is the current number one story, and each of you can help spread our message by posting even a short comment and a link to the article I recently wrote about the Tunisian and Egyptian military doing the right thing (and I will be writing another one that will be even more powerful, so please also spread that one when I publish it). Let's use Tunisia and Egypt as a powerful lesson about the importance of our mission (which our critics will have fits trying to attack, by the way, when we use these examples).

Use this article:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/01/...of-the-regime/ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=ira8vadab&et=1104373056650&s=2457&e=001H18CrHUaTJt4pJPiz00fpt_ONI0BjzOWksO11F9iamA_s in6rtVAxeBd_LcVUI6XXMCH5UNPeIXi7J3MekxQyb4Yxg46fAI HQW05JBjTXds3qw5No2DMYABo4sy58PDpuDL0Mbm0iP_-pHlxBcMvrDM1yLu1Oj7EpcWvnezW7MkOIfeC9K6j-4cPt5w0dLGnakJvL9lkB0rnfOzfHQERvrawHqypOTDDNjPmdSs jZhEyC6Cxj7_Q5D85hBYkeeR9aT5UnERdFRKwY2T0Bi7g5g==)
And here is an example of an Oath Keeper supporter or member leaving a comment:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/egy...-the-military/ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=ira8vadab&et=1104373056650&s=2457&e=001H18CrHUaTJtSeG2LLrp_6wFY0os-RF0qWeXUMoPKlaUgyHKSUB2wfhBlUTFwxCWafy92EJXTRdH67F HAcL3RlHJQva9O9YAtJ3ZwAnNEJWUax-9buebJx_qQoO2qkAghhg8ACLBLlwyiJFOXCgEFRt7Q1G2wtyEI 5kGeUMKLyBTeMfQVZSHzXEjDHr4DCDD3)
American Veteran says:
Tuesday, February 1, 2011 at 13:13 (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=ira8vadab&et=1104373056650&s=2457&e=001H18CrHUaTJsjm-WlLeWq1QI4wufdKEADZNNXOsYNj33AzCwZXZROqITFG9ImuuLn a2-vqQpwG9LvaeQnsjUFlipVr5ajCrSI9YHb_FWE0tWrQ8re0c1ET FLvzb4l6lFAuEB32UOMFrr6hKD-62KXDHreDFzTEowVlUTaAy58VSVrN8yUzqQsRkNksiFcvLreEN mpsgYzJ7chVTbimPny5Q==)
This is an example of just what the Oath Keepers are talking about - that if the military does the right thing and sides with the people, there can be no dictatorship that can stay in power when the people stand up, and when it comes to here in the United States, there can be no dictatorship that takes power if the military and police do not go along.
Yes, an overthrow of the dictatorship in Egypt could end badly, as it did in Iran, but it could also go well, and bring in a real representative government rather than a dictatorship.

Check out this article:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/01/...of-the-regime/ (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=ira8vadab&et=1104373056650&s=2457&e=001H18CrHUaTJt4pJPiz00fpt_ONI0BjzOWksO11F9iamA_s in6rtVAxeBd_LcVUI6XXMCH5UNPeIXi7J3MekxQyb4Yxg46fAI HQW05JBjTXds3qw5No2DMYABo4sy58PDpuDL0Mbm0iP_-pHlxBcMvrDM1yLu1Oj7EpcWvnezW7MkOIfeC9K6j-4cPt5w0dLGnakJvL9lkB0rnfOzfHQERvrawHqypOTDDNjPmdSs jZhEyC6Cxj7_Q5D85hBYkeeR9aT5UnERdFRKwY2T0Bi7g5g==)
Now, I am certainly cognizant of the concern that the Egyptian situation could wind up like Iran when the Shaw was deposed, leading to an Islamacist theocracy, but I think that is far less likely in Egypt since the uprising is more broad-based and secular in Egypt. many people in the Middle East enjoy western ways of life, western culture, clothing, and music, and are not excited about having to wear burkas (recall all the Iranian college students in jeans protesting against that regime). I think there is a very good chance that there will NOT be an Islamacist theocracy in Egypt so long as the military truly stays out of it, leaving it to the mass of the people to decide their course (making it difficult for the hard-line Islamacist minority to take over).

Regardless of the risks, the people of every nation have an absolute right to throw off an oppressive regime, and there can be no denying that the Mubarak regime in Egypt is a dictatorship. Sometimes overthrowing an oppressive regime leads to something worse, as it did in the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution (at least in the short term), or in Iran, but sometimes it leads to something better, as in our own Revolution, in the Romanian Revolution of 1989 at the fall of the Iron Curtain
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution_of_1989 (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=ira8vadab&et=1104373056650&s=2457&e=001H18CrHUaTJvWRg_rQh7JjI4ebdU7nSr5i_E8BIVQijJw7 2Bd-83b9ropRV6pSwcf7REU7VJVRWYSJhBZIQW_60yhx8-jBx-1pcfJHVUsmqQqyVsuGSeIBQ==)) , etc.
The Romanian Revolution of 1989 was a week-long series of increasingly violent riots and fighting in late December 1989 that overthrew the government of the communist totalitarian (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=ira8vadab&et=1104373056650&s=2457&e=001H18CrHUaTJt35Lot8W2Z9mUdw0xz3Hb5tzLtW4JiOrHIG YINokF4HsQjsZUaEYkvJGWHV_f8c3ykaFCE-lqwAb0QJkNdsINJRoNUflx67eu2BvzGNZckSw==) president Nicolae Ceausescu (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=ira8vadab&et=1104373056650&s=2457&e=001H18CrHUaTJu7ElHj8FkDGPOAje82YbdjkKKSDOLkB7-DTGy5FJksB_3CHUGZGim5DGBOjOvmXslLuRrsCvbCNmyvqSRbJ t6GLZLP8dHUAfM-hRcB69OrzQ==) . After a trial, Ceausescu and his wife Elena were executed. Romania was the only Eastern Bloc country to overthrow its government forcefully or to execute its leaders.
In the Romanian Revolution, at first some within the military and police used force against protesters, shooting many, and even running over them with tanks, but the next day "Security forces (army, police and others) re-entered the area, only to join with the protesters," providing yet another example of the military and police doing the right thing.

Who can say what the outcome of any Revolution will be? But what is clear is that all people have a fundamental natural right to decide their own fate and future, and to throw of any government that becomes destructive of liberty, as our own Declaration makes clear.
We hold these truths to be self-evident:
That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
People EVERYWHERE have the right, the duty, to throw of despots. Whether they do so with wisdom, to attain more freedom, will depend on their character and how strong their understanding of liberty is. We should help increase their understanding, rather than presume they are hopeless and thus support the dictator staying in power (something I refuse to do, regardless of the risks). I want to see all dictators deposed, wherever found, of whatever party or ideology, and regardless of how "useful" or "stable" Washington DC may think they are. We need to take and keep the moral high ground and be consistent in our principles.

And regardless of what happens in Egypt, this is still an excellent example and "teaching moment" that we can use to spread our message, and since the left in this country is by-and-large in support of the protesters in Egypt, it makes it all the harder for them to then turn around and condemn us for simply advocating that our military do the same as the military of Tunisia or Egypt - simply stand down. Oath Keepers, let's use this as a powerful teaching opportunity. Very soon, within the next year and a half, if there is a true economic collapse here in the US, we may see a nearly identical situation in this nation, and we need to make sure that this option of simply standing down is in the forefront of the minds of both the military and police, and that it has the support of the people in doing so.

For the Republic, for our Constitution, and for Liberty,

Stewart Rhodes

[MelissaCato]

Great reading guys. OK are awesome !!

[muzzled dogg]

Oath keepers need to start getting more popular amongst the liberty crowd

[Pericles]

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I just started working on a new video about Oath Keepers and how it relates to the Egyptian military. Stewart is in Vegas for a few days and hopefully will have enough time to come over to my place and narrate the video.
That was a really good email an message that OK sent.