CA Man Arrested At Dearborn Mosque With Explosives

[angelatc]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41339799


Haddad said authorities believe Stockham was acting alone but still take him "very seriously." He said Stockham has "a long history of anti-government activities," though he declined to elaborate.

Blowing up Muslims doesn't seem to align with anti-government philosophies, does it?

Oh, he's an Army veteran: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/michigan_cops_army_vet_threatened_mosques_at_bar_f ound_with_guns_outside_islamic_center.php

[doodle]

Oh, he's an Army veteran..[/url]

They didn't say if he was veteran of war to liberate Iraqi people.

[angelatc]

They didn't say if he was veteran of war to liberate Iraqi people.

No apparently he was part of liberating the Vietnamese.

[Anti Federalist]

Ummm, a bunch of M-80s are not "explosives" in my book:


Dearborn police said Roger Stockham was arraigned Wednesday on one count of making a false report or threat of terrorism and one count of possessing explosives with an unlawful intent. Stockham had a large but undisclosed quantity of fireworks including M-80s, which are outlawed in Michigan, Chief Ronald Haddad said.

Sounds to me like he shot his mouth off to some Fibbie while in the process of smuggling fireworks.

[pcosmar]

So basically he was a white guy in Dearborn with fireworks. And he was talking shit in a bar.

:rolleyes:

[Anti Federalist]

So basically he was a white guy in Dearborn with fireworks. And he was talking shit in a bar.

:rolleyes:

That's my first thought on it, but these days, who the hell knows anymore, what with agents, cops, feds, cops informing on cops all hut hutting around and the usual mix of just nuts, and it becomes a web of possibilities almost impossible to decipher.

Which, is, of course, what the TPTB want.

[Valli6]

This guy's had problems in the past.

from 1985:

Law enforcement officers throughout the West expanded their search Monday for a Southern California man with a long arrest record who is suspected of planting a pipe bomb at Nevada's Reno-Cannon International Airport...

... Stockham first made news in 1977, when he held a psychiatrist hostage in a Century City office building, using two bombs and a pistol. After more than four hours, he released the psychiatrist unharmed and surrendered to police.

Two years later, after continued treatment for mental problems, Stockham reportedly kidnaped his son from a foster home in Santa Barbara, rented a light plane and flew to Los Angeles International Airport, where he contacted the control tower, reported that he had "a bomb, a pistol and a 9-year-old boy" on board and demanded a jetliner to fly him to Iran. :eek: ....
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-02/news/mn-588_1_pipe-bomb


A 38-year-old Palos Verdes Peninsula man accused of planting a pipe bomb at Reno's Cannon International Airport was arrested by FBI agents Wednesday on the campus of California State University, Long Beach...
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-04/local/me-9183_1_long-beach

May have spent some time in Vermont also (2002):

Seven buildings in Colchester were evacuated today after a man made threats against a Veterans Administration clinic. Police used a robot and bomb sniffing dogs to sweep the Fort Ethan Allen buildings. They later determined the threat was a hoax.

Officials have arrested 55-year old Roger Stockham of St. Albans on federal charges after he allegedly made threats at the Veterans Administration Clinic. Colchester Police Sergeant Doug Allen says officials knew earlier this week that Stockham was threatening the VA.

"At about 12:15 this afternoon we got a call from the Veterans Administration Clinic located here in Fort Ethan Allen reporting to us that a person we had already been made aware of - due to some threats he made against the clinic and the VA - was here at the clinic in Fort Ethan Allen."

Stockham had parked his van outside the clinic and a state police bomb squad was called. A robot was used to search the van, followed by men in body armor and bomb-sniffing dogs. Allen said no explosives were found.

"Information we've gotten from the subject indicated it was essentially a hoax."

Stockham visited several buildings in the area, including the studios of VPR and Vermont Public Television. Vermont Public Radio was one of the seven buildings evacuated in the Fort Ethan Allen complex. Only essential personnel remained to operate the radio station.
http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/67908/

[FtL1776]

http://www.bradleymanning.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=98

He's pro World Court. The guy is a nut.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=OjlcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6FUNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5647,22155&dq=a+32-year-old+moslem+convert+was+in+custody+friday+after+tak ing+his+son+from+a+foster+home&hl=en

Oh yeah and hes a Muslim apparently.

[Vessol]

An m-80 will blow up a soda can, not a mosque.

Do they take us for a bunch of idiots?

[Anti Federalist]

What happened to "three felony strikes" and you're out?

I counted about 15 serious felony charges.

This guy's a spook.


This guy's had problems in the past.

from 1985:

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-02/news/mn-588_1_pipe-bomb


http://articles.latimes.com/1985-07-04/local/me-9183_1_long-beach

May have spent some time in Vermont also (2002):

http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/67908/

[angelatc]

An m-80 will blow up a soda can, not a mosque.

Do they take us for a bunch of idiots?

I don't think the law requires that terrorists be competent.

[BlackTerrel]

Glad no one was hurt. This guy sounds nuts.

Since the protests against the "Ground Zero Mosque" the media narrative has been that there is some huge rightwing anti-Muslim violence thing going on. But that hasn't exactly been the case.

[Vessol]

I don't think the law requires that terrorists be competent.

I don't think I've ever heard of a single competent terrorist. I mean shit, if these guys had half a brain and really were a threat..planes would be falling from the sky all over.

[pcosmar]

I don't think the law requires that terrorists be competent.

Apparently it does not even require a credible threat (M80s :rolleyes:)

All it seems to require is some angry beer talk. (Hutaree) And someone being "offended".

[doodle]

Was he linked to CNN by any chance and terrorist plants they interviewed?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwQkmEQCYw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwQkmEQCYw0

[FtL1776]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=OjlcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6FUNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5647,22155&dq=a+32-year-old+moslem+convert+was+in+custody+friday+after+tak ing+his+son+from+a+foster+home&hl=en

He was a Muslim, 31 years ago at least, also the age and time passed seems to match up with the 63 the guy is.

[Chieppa1]

Muslims are crazy. Just like in Egypt. That's the message here. Look for this story on Hannity.

[FtL1776]

Muslims are crazy. Just like in Egypt. That's the message here. Look for this story on Hannity.

Yeah and Ronald Haddad, the guy who arrested Christians for passing out leaflets at festival in Dearborn and confiscated the leaflets and video cameras, he's in on this conspiracy to make Muslims look bad. You seriously are pissed about the Muslim part, but not too pissed about the fact the Muslim Police Chief hasn't a clue about this guy and just threw out that he had anti government activities in his past? Get a brain and use some logic.

[Freedom 4 all]

What happened to "three felony strikes" and you're out?

I counted about 15 serious felony charges.

This guy's a spook.

I may be a pretty paranoid guy, but that was my first thought too. No "mundane" would be continually set free after hijacking a plane, kidnapping, and holding hostages on multiple separate occasions. CIA or some kind of Black Ops for sure.

[Valli6]

"… one count of making a false report or threat of terrorism, and one count of possessing explosives with an unlawful intent"

If he was "falsely reporting or threatening" terrorism, wouldn't this mean that police have established that he was never actually going to blow anything up? :confused: That he was just some drunk, disturbed guy claiming to have big plans? And he also bought some fireworks? Sounds like his real plan was to get himself committed for a while, as he's done in the past. The "moslem convert" part is interesting to note - I guess the press won't be bringing that up.

Apparently "class C" fireworks is just some kind of shipping classification
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_C_fireworks

Class C has a propellant and hazards may include;
1.1 - Mass explosion Possible
1.2 - Projecton but not mass explosion
1.3 - Fire, minor blast
1.4 - Minor explosion hazard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_C_fireworks
(Only class D includes a detonating cord, blasting explosives, blasting agents)

He may have just had some bottle rockets? :rolleyes:

[Anti Federalist]

I may be a pretty paranoid guy, but that was my first thought too. No "mundane" would be continually set free after hijacking a plane, kidnapping, and holding hostages on multiple separate occasions. CIA or some kind of Black Ops for sure.

Exactly...a mundane doesn't "walk" from all that.

[heavenlyboy34]

An m-80 will blow up a soda can, not a mosque.

Do they take us for a bunch of idiots?

Probably, and justifiably so. Woe is us, a nation whose population is vastly dominated by ignoramuses and dumbasses (aka Boobus Americanus, which seems to be reproducing at an astronomic rate!). :(

[ExPatPaki]

I may be a pretty paranoid guy, but that was my first thought too. No "mundane" would be continually set free after hijacking a plane, kidnapping, and holding hostages on multiple separate occasions. CIA or some kind of Black Ops for sure.

Yes, but what's the purpose behind this incident?

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, but what's the purpose behind this incident?

Nothing, probably.

Just a loose asset running around that they have to keep cleaning up after.

[Freedom 4 all]

Yes, but what's the purpose behind this incident?

Could be anything from a psyop to garner public support for a coming ban on M-80s, or just some way to villify anti-government types. I doubt we're getting the whole story. Even if we are it could just be he's a loose asset like AF said. Whatever the case, there is just no way he would be anywhere except chained to a wall in federal prison after doing the kind of stupid shit he did, unless he was somehow connected to the upper echelons of power.

[oyarde]

Yes, but what's the purpose behind this incident?

I was wondering same .

[Valli6]

He also threatened to kill George W Bush back in 2002, and carry out jihad against a veterans office.

A decorated Army veteran accused of plotting to blow up a Metro Detroit mosque served time in federal prison for threatening to kill President George W. Bush and bomb a Vermont veterans' clinic in 2002.

Roger Stockham, 63, who flew 600 combat helicopter missions in Vietnam, is behind bars in Michigan after he drove from his home in California last week and parked a car with a trunk full of explosives outside the Islamic Center of America, authorities said.

...Stockham's anger, he testified in 1985, stemmed from having been ordered, on the day he was to end his tour in Vietnam, to stay on. He ended up living through what turned out to be the bloodiest part of the war the Tet Offensive. "There are not words to describe how angry I was," he told the Nevada court. "I'm still not over it."...
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110131/NEWS02/110131011/Michigan-mosque-bomb-suspect-once-faced-threat-charges-in-Vermont

[oyarde]

He also threatened to kill George W Bush back in 2002, and carry out jihad against a veterans office.

So they extended his tour in 68 ? If I was him , I honestly would have just been happy to live through it and make it back .