Sentient Void asks: So what is it these protestors are calling for?

[Anti Federalist]

In this thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277101-Video-Egyptian-protests&p=3084297&viewfull=1#post3084297)

Let's hope it's this they are calling for:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ThvBJMzmSZI

PS - Huge Hat Tip to PCOsmar who posted this video first in this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277066-Holy-Crap!-Watch-these-Egypt-protests-live-on-Al-Jezeera-English!&p=3084051&viewfull=1#post3084051), different, thread:

Pete posted it at 1807. By 1923 LRC had it posted on their blog.

PPS - Thanks for the opening to post this video SV.

[nobody's_hero]

The guy at 45 seconds summed it up really well.

[Anti Federalist]

The guy at 45 seconds summed it up really well.

I thought so too.

If that is the face of this whole thing, and it's real, and organic and grassroots, then godspeed to each and every one of them.

[ClayTrainor]

"We will not be silenced, whether you're a Christian or a Muslim, whether you're an atheist, you will demand your god damned rights,"

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck yea! What a powerful god dam video. Thank you very much for making a new thread for this, with a title to attract attention. This needs to be seen by everyone.

[ClayTrainor]

"here is the blood, there is the terrorism......it's blood, there is the government." camera points to the government goons.

That's a powerful statement, god dam. I need to send this to everyone that I know is sucking up MSM information on the riots.

[Pericles]

Powerful video - very effective

[__27__]

Simply beautiful. It gives me hope that people across the world are waking up. I only hope it turns out better than the last try in Iran.

[ClayTrainor]

bump!

[Rothbardian Girl]

I just want to say that from what I have seen of these protests, I'm loving it so far. These absolutely stunning and amazing protests seem to be centered around gaining the freedom to exercise their rights and removing the corrupt upper class. For me, this statement by one of the protesters sums it all up:


Mahmoud Mohammed Imam, a 26-year-old taxi driver, said: "We were hoping that he was delivering a speech to tell us he was leaving.

"All he said were empty promises and lies. He appointed a new government of thieves, one thief goes and one thief comes to loot the country.

"This is the revolution of the people who are hungry, this is the revolution of the people who have no money against those with a lot of money."

And I don't even take a communistic message from the last part, like some people here who think that this is somehow some sort of evil socialist plot to take over Egypt - I honestly think he is referring to those upper-class people who have enriched themselves at the hand of the government. I also don't see much of a chance of the movement somehow being "tainted" with "radical Islamists" like the MSM is trying to portray.

I am just proud that I am witnessing exciting developments in history and I hope these people keep fighting. As __27__ said, this is simply beautiful in a lot of ways.

[Travlyr]

Great video! Sadly, as in Argentina ... I fear that they have not correctly identified their enemy.

[pcosmar]

Great video! Sadly, as in Argentina ... I fear that they have not correctly identified their enemy.

Why. They Identified it as the government. Mubarak the puppet of TPTB.

They want him gone and free elections of their own choice.
Reminds me of,

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

[Travlyr]

Why. They Identified it as the government. Mubarak the puppet of TPTB.
Ron Paul correctly identifies the enemy. The enemy is not governments. The enemy is central bankers who rule without being subject to the laws. Governments will come and go, but liberty is impossible as long as the rulers can print money at will.

Unfortunately, too few people will take the time to read "End The Fed", "Gold, Peace, and Prosperity", and "A Cross of Gold."

Instead, most people (as in Argentina) will try to solve their problems through the political process.

[heavenlyboy34]

Saw this on LRC yesterday. Hopefully it goes viral so as many folks as possible see it.

[heavenlyboy34]

Ron Paul correctly identifies the enemy. The enemy is not governments. The enemy is central bankers who rule without being subject to the laws. Governments will come and go, but liberty is impossible as long as the rulers can print money at will.

Unfortunately, too few people will take the time to read "End The Fed", "Gold, Peace, and Prosperity", and "A Cross of Gold."

Instead, most people (as in Argentina) will try to solve their problems through the political process.

Plenty of governments are enemies of the people-including the US government (and many state/local governments). Very few governments in history have actually been universally beneficial.

"Government is the enemy of liberty" -Ron Paul

[Travlyr]

Plenty of governments are enemies of the people-including the US government (and many state/local governments). Very few governments in history have actually been universally beneficial.

"Government is the enemy of liberty" -Ron Paul

Have you read "End The Fed?"

[Travlyr]

For anyone who has not yet read "End The Fed" by Ron Paul - it is a highly recommended book for anyone who wants to correctly identify the enemy and win liberty, peace, and prosperity for you and your posterity.

To win our liberties, we have choices to make. Removing the source of infection is most critical. Ron Paul does an excellent job of identifying and sharing that information in all of his writings.

Ending the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, the United States, each of the 50 states, and each county, township, and city charter is a much larger challenge than ending the counterfeiting cabal who control those institutions. Let us start with the source of the problem and go forward from there. "End The Fed" and all central banks ... read what Ron Paul has written.

[ClayTrainor]

For anyone who has not yet read "End The Fed" by Ron Paul - it is a highly recommended book for anyone who wants to correctly identify the enemy and win liberty, peace, and prosperity for you and your posterity.

To win our liberties, we have choices to make. Removing the source of infection is most critical. Ron Paul does an excellent job of identifying and sharing that information in all of his writings.

Ending the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, the United States, each of the 50 states, and each county, township, and city charter is a much larger challenge than ending the counterfeiting cabal who control those institutions. Let us start with the source of the problem and go forward from there. "End The Fed" and all central banks ... read what Ron Paul has written.

It is an excellent book.

Central banks are a natural outgrowth of an already existing government. Central Banks like the FED, bank of canada etc. rely upon state power in order to be protected from market forces. It's not likely that Ron Paul would deny this.

"Government is the enemy of liberty" -Ron Paul

[Vessol]

And I don't even take a communistic message from the last part, like some people here who think that this is somehow some sort of evil socialist plot to take over Egypt - I honestly think he is referring to those upper-class people who have enriched themselves at the hand of the government. I also don't see much of a chance of the movement somehow being "tainted" with "radical Islamists" like the MSM is trying to portray. .

Agreed,
Just because someone is raising an issue over economic inequality and money does not mean they are communists. I highly doubt that Egypt has some great free market we should all be praising and defending.

While I'm a bit cynical that the outcome will be little better then the current regime, I can't help but smile seeing people ACTUALLY GET ANGRY. Instead of just pissing and mewing about like those in the West seem to do.

[Travlyr]

Central banks are a natural outgrowth of an already existing government. Central Banks like the FED, bank of canada etc. rely upon state power in order to be protected from market forces. It's not likely that Ron Paul would deny this.

I don't agree that central banks are an outgrowth of existing government. But that is not my issue. Ron Paul wrote "End The Fed" not "End The Government."

Imagine for a moment if we all joined Ron Paul's movement, understood it, and put an end to the central banks. The welfare and warfare state would starve because people who use real money, such as, silver, gold, other PM's, and 100% redeemable certificates as money would ask more questions when the taxman came to visit.

The questions would be like, "exactly who is benefiting from you taking my silver from me?", and "exactly why are our military leaders not winning this 20 year war?", and "why do you need 60% of the gold I earned this year?", etc.

But the way it is, the central banks get to inflate and hide the theft, so people don't realize that we live in an abundant world where no one needs to be hungry, cold, or wet unless they choose it.

Correctly identifying the source of the infection is what Ron Paul has done, and his solution is the fastest way for the ruled people to move toward peace, liberty, and prosperity.

[freshjiva]

I thought so too.

If that is the face of this whole thing, and it's real, and organic and grassroots, then godspeed to each and every one of them.

+1 billion.
God, I wish we had a grassroots anti-government, pro liberty uprising in this country like that.

[Fredom101]

It is now being reported by Al Jezeera that plain clothes police officers are instigating the looting.
I'm sure CNN, Fox, and the rest of the culprits will soon be reporting that "anarchists" are destroying Egypt.

[ClayTrainor]

I don't agree that central banks are an outgrowth of existing government.
Can you show me a powerful central bank that wasn't put into place and protected from market forces through acts of govenrment?



But that is not my issue. Ron Paul wrote "End The Fed" not "End The Government."

"Government is the enemy of liberty" -Ron Paul

[South Park Fan]

I'm more hopeful about this than Iran's protests two years ago. The Military-Media-Industrial complex seemed to play an underhanded role in that with their thinly-veiled support. However, now that their puppet is the one facing protests they seem terrified over the supposed threat.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

I'm spreading this video far and wide cause I think people in this country need see it. I hope those people manage to regain their natural rights cause living under Mubarak would have been hell.

[MelissaWV]

I am heartened by a lot of the things being played in the MSM. Of course, it's never the whole story, but even network news is showing video of how the military is on the side of the protestors, and that although "looters" have damaged antiquities, there are also now citizens linking arms and forming human chains around some of the museums and the like, protecting Egyptian treasures.

It bodes well for the "revolution" going on. The MSM doesn't like to look sympathetic to the side that eventually loses, after all.

[pcosmar]

I am heartened by a lot of the things being played in the MSM. Of course, it's never the whole story, but even network news is showing video of how the military is on the side of the protestors, and that although "looters" have damaged antiquities, there are also now citizens linking arms and forming human chains around some of the museums and the like, protecting Egyptian treasures.

It bodes well for the "revolution" going on. The MSM doesn't like to look sympathetic to the side that eventually loses, after all.

There are videos of the Army protecting Protesters from the "Security Forces".
The museum was ransacked when the "Security Forces were still in control. There was Video on State TV ((propaganda) That showed the "Security Forces inside the museum.
This happened earlier, the Museum has been guarded by protesters and the Army since yesterday.

There are reports of looting and Gangs of thugs and the police are nowhere to be seen.
Not entirely true. Several "Thugs" have been arrested by Locals and found with "Security Force" IDs.

The police are the Thugs and Looters.
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2011/01/29/egypt-government-thugs-involved-in-looting-lawlessness/

[Sentient Void]

Wow. That was an awesome video. Very powerful.

But I'm still hesitant to post and share it amongst my social networks... I'd really look like an ass if, come to find out, they are a bunch of socialists. I say the question still stands... what do these protestors want? More liberty? Do they want the government out of their lives *and* their pockets? or do they want handouts, redistribution, socialism, etc?

I'd really curious and if anyone has more information with a source to back it - I'd love to know so i can send this shit around the interwebz.

[pcosmar]

Wow. That was an awesome video. Very powerful.

But I'm still hesitant to post and share it amongst my social networks... I'd really look like an ass if, come to find out, they are a bunch of socialists. I say the question still stands... what do these protestors want? More liberty? Do they want the government out of their lives *and* their pockets? or do they want handouts, redistribution, socialism, etc?

I'd really curious and if anyone has more information with a source to back it - I'd love to know so i can send this shit around the interwebz.

They want Mubarak GONE. They do not want the government to be replaced with another Puppet Government..
They want to ELECT their own government.
They have had 30 years of Repressive, Brutal, Corrupt, US controlled Puppet Government.
They are fuckin' tired of it.

[Sentient Void]

They want Mubarak GONE. They do not want the government to be replaced with another Puppet Government..
They want to ELECT their own government.
They have had 30 years of Repressive, Brutal, Corrupt, US controlled Puppet Government.
They are fuckin' tired of it.

This I understand - but it doesn't say anything about whether they want liberty or something akin to a 'social democracy'... my only concern is that they aren't necessarily liberty-loving folks who want freedom... and posting it might make me look like an ass considering I'm a radical libertarian and they end up being a bunch of commies y'know?

Regardless of any of it - it's always good to see 'we the people' telling any oppressive government to straight up fuck themselves and tossing them out. It's refreshing for sure.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Simply beautiful. It gives me hope that people across the world are waking up. I only hope it turns out better than the last try in Iran.

I wonder what color they will name this one...

Oh wait... the US seems to be on good terms with them, so the current goon must be a puppet and the whole color thing doesn't work.

-t

[pcosmar]

This I understand - but it doesn't say anything about whether they want liberty or something akin to a 'social democracy'... my only concern is that they aren't necessarily liberty-loving folks who want freedom... and posting it might make me look like an ass considering I'm a radical libertarian and they end up being a bunch of commies y'know?

Regardless of any of it - it's always good to see 'we the people' telling any oppressive government to straight up fuck themselves and tossing them out. It's refreshing for sure.

They want him gone and free elections of their own choice.
Reminds me of,

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
I have spent spare time (Between stuff on the farm) following this story. Broadcasts, Twitter, Blogs and listening to folks there on the news.
This article is worth the read.
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/01/muslims-christians-we-are-all-egyptians-scenes-from-a-revolution-as-told-by-one-eyewitness.html

[Pericles]

+1 billion.
God, I wish we had a grassroots anti-government, pro liberty uprising in this country like that.
Be careful for what you wish. There is a good chance that will ultimately be the result, but there will be much pain along the path that leads there.

[Anti Federalist]

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