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Anti Federalist
01-28-2011, 01:27 AM
A story out of the Daily Mail in the UK about a Lancaster PA, USA school.



School defends experiment to separate black students in a bid to boost their academic results

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350864/School-defends-separation-black-students-boost-academic-results.html

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 3:03 PM on 27th January 2011

A high school has defended its decision to segregate students by race and gender.

The scheme, at McCaskey East High School in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, separates black students from the rest of the school pupils, and then further breaks it down into black females and black males.

The separation is only for a short period - six minutes each day and 20 minutes twice a month - but it has drawn criticism for raising the spectre of racial segregation.

Today the school's principal defended the policy.

Bill Jimenez said the school noticed that black students were not performing as well as other students, and that research had shown that same-race classes with strong same-race role models led to better academic results.

Mr Jimenez admitted that no other students were divided by race at the school, but he added that academic data dictated the school take a different approach with its black students.

He told Lancasteronline.com: 'One of the things we said when we did this was, "Let's look at the data, let's not run from it. Let's confront it and see what we can do about it".'

The idea came from Angela Tilghman, an instructional coach at McCaskey East.

She said statistics had shown about a third of McCaskey's African-Americans scored proficient or advanced in reading on last year's Pennsylvania System of School Assessment tests, compared with 60 per cent of white students and 42 per cent of students overall.

In mathematics, only 27 per cent of black students scored proficient or advanced.

She said research had shown that grouping black students by gender with a strong role model could boost both academic achievement and self-esteem.

Some students, staff and parents were against the segregation, saying that it ran against everything the school stood for - with students from diverse backgrounds.

But it was something Mr Jimenez thought was worth trying.

In all segregated classes, mentors track their students' grades, test scores and attendance.

One such mentor is Michael Mitchell, who hopes to inspire his black male students during their short daily meetings.

He said he often quoted the Reverend Martin Luther King, who said: 'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'

Mr Mitchell recently used the quote when he found that some of his students were failing gym.

He said: 'They're all young. They're all strong. They're all athletic. But they're failing because they chose not to participate.

'That's an example of "conscientious stupidity". You can do but you choose not to do. These are the things we need to get away from.'

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-28-2011, 01:39 AM
Last I checked Pennsylvania isn't the mud flaps of the Deep South. Whoda thunkit?

Anti Federalist
01-28-2011, 01:45 AM
Last I checked Pennsylvania isn't the mud flaps of the Deep South. Whoda thunkit?

The giant, heaping pile of "fail" that is mandatory, Prussian model, tax funded schools, knows no geographic boundaries.

Live_Free_Or_Die
01-28-2011, 02:02 AM
I'd love to see some non-black parents sue because their kids are being denied the opportunity to develop important social tolerance skills interacting with other races or cultures because of discriminatory segregation practices.

nobody's_hero
01-28-2011, 03:56 AM
Last I checked Pennsylvania isn't the mud flaps of the Deep South. Whoda thunkit?

You can bet that if it had been the deep south, the liberal media outlets would have been all over us for this one.

Sola_Fide
01-28-2011, 04:23 AM
This is a fine idea. I've read a few studies that suggest black children learn better in an environment with other black children. If you remember, the Black supremacy groups like the Black Panthers argued in the past in favor of segregation...and they should have had the liberty to segregate.


In a free market of schools, there would be segregated and non-segregated schools, and parents would have the ultimate power in deciding which best suits their child's learning.

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-28-2011, 05:12 AM
This is a fine idea. I've read a few studies that suggest black children learn better in an environment with other black children. If you remember, the Black supremacy groups like the Black Panthers argued in the past in favor of segregation...and they should have had the liberty to segregate.


In a free market of schools, there would be segregated and non-segregated schools, and parents would have the ultimate power in deciding which best suits their child's learning.

What is the difference between coerced forceful integration and coerced forceful segregation? Absolutely nothing. I oppose both, so I think either idea is an abomination. Similarly, I don't give a rats ass what study says what. If a study said our economy would be stronger if we deported all people of Mexican, or Southern-Baptist, or LDS, or Irish, or whatever group you throw in I would oppose it also. Aqua do not fall for the empiricist, utilitarian arguments, they lead to the pits :p

Sola_Fide
01-28-2011, 06:14 AM
What is the difference between coerced forceful integration and coerced forceful segregation? Absolutely nothing. I oppose both, so I think either idea is an abomination. Similarly, I don't give a rats ass what study says what. If a study said our economy would be stronger if we deported all people of Mexican, or Southern-Baptist, or LDS, or Irish, or whatever group you throw in I would oppose it also. Aqua do not fall for the empiricist, utilitarian arguments, they lead to the pits :p


Hmmm. So you would oppose private entities discriminating based in race? I would think a private segregated school would be much like the private black colleges we have today. There isn't any coercion involved.

Austrian Econ Disciple
01-28-2011, 06:32 AM
Hmmm. So you would oppose private entities discriminating based in race? I would think a private segregated school would be much like the private black colleges we have today. There isn't any coercion involved.

No, I wouldn't oppose it, but I wouldn't necessarily promote it either. Also, this story is about a Government school, and Government schools are never voluntary, just ask any property owner.

Sola_Fide
01-28-2011, 06:50 AM
Oh definitely. I was of course talking about a situation in the free market, not this government school BS:)

Just a thought (you already know this): Multi-culturalism and multi-racialism is *hindered* by state coercion. The market, as you know, would integrate cultures without force (and therefore without animosity). In the market, we all have to serve each other to survive. In the State, we are all slaves of the elite, and enemies of each other.

Voluntary segregation is a normal human action. But the market perfectly balances the tendency of voluntary segregation with the need to serve others to survive.

fisharmor
01-28-2011, 07:54 AM
My, oh my.
How far things have come in the last 47 years.

tropicangela
01-28-2011, 08:05 AM
The separation is only for a short period - six minutes each day and 20 minutes twice a month...


What do they do during that time?

tropicangela
01-28-2011, 08:06 AM
What do they do during that time?

They have segregated homerooms for 6 minutes a day, and then they meet with a mentor for 20 minutes twice a month.

tropicangela
01-28-2011, 08:20 AM
Idea proposed by black woman.

CNN video: http://cnn.com/video/?/video/living/2011/01/27/nr.all.black.homerooms.cnn

oyarde
01-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Maybe it is just me , but this sound like a very weird experiment . Segregated homeroom . WTF ?

oyarde
01-28-2011, 09:35 PM
i WOULD GUESS THIS WOULD DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD .....

Rothbardian Girl
01-28-2011, 09:49 PM
6 minutes of class time?

ROFL. Lancaster is a strange place. :\ (Apologies to anyone who may live there!)

Kludge
01-28-2011, 09:53 PM
I'll be shocked if having a teacher the same race as the kids take attendance and giving daily announcements improves students' test results.

oyarde
01-28-2011, 09:57 PM
I'll be shocked if having a teacher the same race as the kids take attendance and giving daily announcements improves students' test results.

Me too . I call weirdo bull .

Brooklyn Red Leg
01-28-2011, 10:21 PM
I'm sorry, but I am so goddamn glad this didn't take place in The South. I'm fucking tired of being accused of racism for simply being a White Male born in Georgia.

jackers
01-28-2011, 11:12 PM
Last I checked Pennsylvania isn't the mud flaps of the Deep South. Whoda thunkit?

Ever been to Lancaster, PA?

Marenco
01-28-2011, 11:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ogCc8ObiwQ

Pete Kay
01-29-2011, 12:30 AM
Well, if you want to get a grasp on why America spends more per pupil on education yet performs so low, just look at bullcrap like this. Basically, what this school is doing is trying to fill the paternal roll in these Black children's lives that is lacking because welfare and social breakdown have destroyed dual parent homes in the Black community. The idea that 6 minutes a day and two 20 minute sessions a month with a "mentor" will somehow be an adequate replacement for having no father at home is preposterous. It's like using a band aide to try to stop arterial bleeding.

Pete Kay
01-29-2011, 12:31 AM
Whoops! Double post.

Sola_Fide
01-29-2011, 12:47 AM
Government education continues to destroy the black family...