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Vessol
01-24-2011, 04:43 PM
Studying a bit on the current bombing in Russia, I decided to take a look into neo-nazi's in Russia as it's a relatively unknown topic to me. A few searches later I find a blog where a fellow talks in detail of the history of national socialism in Russia. He also talked about the beheading and murders that happen there regularly.

It wasn't that bad of an article, it informed me. However, I was kind of annoyed with how much the man seemed to love Stalin a bit too much.

Anyways I clicked on his link, first article was a post of his where he trash talks someone who talks about Ron Paul being the only good Republican. He then rants on and on about how Ron Paul is an imperialist and loves war.
Libertarians and Neo-Conservatism is synonymous with him. Ultra-capitalists who hate freedom and are enslaving the third world.
Goes on to praise Lenin, talk about how Capitalism and Libertarianism are the main cause for war in todays world. Accuses "Libertarianism is stacked floor to ceiling with Jews."

Link here, I broke it so he doesn't get traffic. It's interesting really to read how incoherent and illogical some people really are. I'd love to sit down and talk to him to see where he gets the idea that libertarianism is pro-war or pro-imperialist.

hxxp://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/why-ron-paul-is-not-ok/

Kevin_Kennedy
01-24-2011, 04:53 PM
I believe the socialist position is that capitalism is inherently imperialist and that even if you claim to be "anti-war" but support capitalism you support imperialism.

dannno
01-24-2011, 05:11 PM
I believe the socialist position is that capitalism is inherently imperialist and that even if you claim to be "anti-war" but support capitalism you support imperialism.

LOL, that is ridiculous.

sailingaway
01-24-2011, 05:32 PM
LOL, that is ridiculous.

Yes, but socialism is inherently ridiculous. It is tries to win converts through free association with emotion, not logic. Well, that, and greed to have someone else pay for you.

Freedom 4 all
01-24-2011, 06:38 PM
WTF, so having a socialized (tax funded) army fight unnecessary wars is inherently an integral part of capitalist philosophy which champions small government and low taxes? How do they figure?

randolphfuller
01-24-2011, 07:05 PM
Accordin to Marxist-Leninist doctrine, capitalism produces a vast quantity os consumer goods, that the workers cannot afford to buy. This makes necessary imperialism in which the colonies are forced to purchase the excess product from the capitalist countries. Ridicules the theory all you want, but it must be admitted that imperialism has always accompanied capitalism, and alas I suppose always will.

Anti Federalist
01-24-2011, 07:14 PM
Accordin to Marxist-Leninist doctrine, capitalism produces a vast quantity os consumer goods, that the workers cannot afford to buy. This makes necessary imperialism in which the colonies are forced to purchase the excess product from the capitalist countries. Ridicules the theory all you want, but it must be admitted that imperialism has always accompanied capitalism, and alas I suppose always will.

"Free trade" crony capitalism sure is.

That why Marx was in favor of it, thinking it would hasten social revolution because of the poverty that it would bring.

He didn't count on this keeping everybody in line:

http://timothywstanley.com/storage/CalvinandHobbesReligionMarxTV.jpg

Anti Federalist
01-24-2011, 07:17 PM
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Smedley Darlington Butler - 1933

dannno
01-24-2011, 07:26 PM
it must be admitted that imperialism has always accompanied capitalism, and alas I suppose always will.

Why should it be admitted if it's a lie??

There are plenty of societies where a person has a right to what they produce that are peaceful.

Beyond that, if a society is TAKING people's wealth to use for overseas adventurism, how is that considered capitalism if the people aren't allowed to keep what they produce? It's the exact OPPOSITE, philosophically.

Deborah K
01-24-2011, 07:32 PM
It wasn't that bad of an article, it informed me. /

How can you believe anything he writes when he is so far off base about Ron? He is clearly misinformed and he is spewing his misinformation for others who likewise believe he is "informing" them.