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PollM
10-22-2007, 09:16 AM
Tough going for antiwar Republicans, the North Carolina congressman has never had a primary challenge, but is now being abandoned by GOP officials as a result of his opposition to the war. Across the country, other Republican lawmakers who have broken with over the war are under fire from party loyalists.

How will Ron Paul supporters vote if he is not nominated by the Republican Party?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=764

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American
10-22-2007, 09:22 AM
I will not support anyone who supports the war. Why would anyone vote a party line if they dont represent your views on the issues.

I would hate to see Billary in office but I would rather have Socialism then cronyism, socialism helps me but at the price of higher taxes.

If he doesnt get the GOP nod I hope he reconsiders and runs as a indy candidate

richard1984
10-22-2007, 09:28 AM
Haha! Crappy poll! Since when have the "Democrats" put forth an "effort to end the war"? They put forth anti-war rhetoric to get elected, but they sure as hell haven't done anything in Congress (except continue funding the criminal wars). Put your money (and your vote) where your mouth is, fools! :mad:
I really don't understand why the media keeps saying that Democrats are anti-war.... They aren't.

PollM
10-22-2007, 09:36 AM
Haha! Crappy poll! Since when have the "Democrats" put forth an "effort to end the war"? They put forth anti-war rhetoric to get elected, but they sure as hell haven't done anything in Congress (except continue funding the criminal wars). Put your money (and your vote) where your mouth is, fools! :mad:
I really don't understand why the media keeps saying that Democrats are anti-war.... They aren't.

Article attached to poll.

The way I read it is that we are not welcomed in the Republican party, and if one is to be thinking forward we hope to encourage Ron to run as an Independent and not leave us. The Ron Paul Message needs to live on.

Chrispy
10-22-2007, 10:08 AM
I think one way to get the GOP to accept the anti-war sentiment is hammering on the fact that Ron Paul get more contributions from the military than any other republican candidate. They all talk about supporting the troops when they don't realize that many of the troops themselves don't support the war.

I'm an active duty soldier and obviously a financial supporter of Ron Paul and i think he needs to bring this up more in the debates. When the GOP understands that supporting the troops means getting out of Iraq, many will come around.

Ozwest
10-22-2007, 10:18 AM
It is obvious that in the general election Ron Paul would never be elected with Republican votes alone. It's going to need a pissed off public to get this Patriot elected. I fear too many have sipped the Kool-Aid for too long. I hope I'm wrong!

shadowhooch
10-22-2007, 10:21 AM
It is going to be real tricky to teach these neocons about the war. They are so "patriotic" that they turn their brains off.

It will be interesting to see what would happen if Ron Paul did win the nomination.

In my opinion, something needs to happen in Iraq or our economy to wake these people up. It is not going to be easy.

I haven't seen them, but maybe all these big movies coming out about the middle east: "Kingdom" and "Rendition" will wake some people up.

Anyone see Kingdom yet? Does it help support RP's positions on terrorism?

shadowhooch
10-22-2007, 10:22 AM
I think one way to get the GOP to accept the anti-war sentiment is hammering on the fact that Ron Paul get more contributions from the military than any other republican candidate. They all talk about supporting the troops when they don't realize that many of the troops themselves don't support the war.

I'm an active duty soldier and obviously a financial supporter of Ron Paul and i think he needs to bring this up more in the debates. When the GOP understands that supporting the troops means getting out of Iraq, many will come around.

That is a good approach. I wonder if it would be a good idea for Ron to bring that up in the debate instead of the "70% of Americans" line?

Malakai0
10-22-2007, 10:22 AM
Both parties are corrupt pro-war neocons and they do not want anyone in their parties against the war. They don't want americans hearing anything that counters their point of view. Is this surprising still?

Long as we vote for anti-war politicians whenever they come around, we can take the govt back.

Patrick Henry
10-22-2007, 10:25 AM
It is obvious that in the general election Ron Paul would never be elected with Republican votes alone. It's going to need a pissed off public to get this Patriot elected. I fear too many have sipped the Kool-Aid for too long. I hope I'm wrong!

I think you are wrong. I believe, along with Paul, Buchanan, and many other patriots that the party has shrunk. Bush has almost single handedly destroyed it. I don't believe for a minute that a majority of the republicans, which is probably 40-50% of the voting populace support this unconstititional, undeclared foreign war. No way! This country cannot be that brainwashed.

Chrispy
10-22-2007, 10:29 AM
No way! This country cannot be that brainwashed.

Well...........

RP4ME
10-22-2007, 10:33 AM
I think you are wrong. I believe, along with Paul, Buchanan, and many other patriots that the party has shrunk. Bush has almost single handedly destroyed it. I don't believe for a minute that a majority of the republicans, which is probably 40-50% of the voting populace support this unconstititional, undeclared foreign war. No way! This country cannot be that brainwashed.

I dont either. i know plenty who have fled teh party but are coming back now b/c of Paul

Ozwest
10-22-2007, 10:36 AM
I think you are wrong. I believe, along with Paul, Buchanan, and many other patriots that the party has shrunk. Bush has almost single handedly destroyed it. I don't believe for a minute that a majority of the republicans, which is probably 40-50% of the voting populace support this unconstititional, undeclared foreign war. No way! This country cannot be that brainwashed.

The active Republican Party members are the neo-con die-hards, and they are the loonies. I hope there is a large contingent of disaffected Republicans out there as you say. The trick will be, to get them off their asses and into the Party system again... Personally, I'm putting a lot of faith in Independents and anti-war Democrats.

mavtek
10-22-2007, 10:44 AM
Doesn't matter we must show the GOP we will not let them give the nomination to anyone else.

Craig_R
10-22-2007, 10:58 AM
The way I read it is that we are not welcomed in the Republican party

I dont care if I'm welcomed or not.

Cindy
10-22-2007, 11:05 AM
I havn't seen any room at all from the GOP, outside of what Paul and his republican supporters have occupied, for anti Iraq War- non interventionist foriegn Policy support.

What boggles my mind is their total ignorance of the majority of Americans who want out of this war and war mongering in general. They are in complete denial.

They lost in November because of it and play dumb as to the war being the reason.

The democrats who give lip service to ending the war, have raised, I think its 4 times in donations what the Republican have.

They still act like America is going to vote in a war mongering Republican for President.

There is no supportive evidence for this happening.

I've never seen such poor strategizing for staying in power in all of my life.

Paul will give them the conservative values they want AND give them the majority vote of the Americans who want out of the war. I fail to understand why they are not propping him up better.

The sad part is that if any front running democrat gets in, like what happened with the dems taking control of the house, the war and nation building abroad will still stay the course.

The war mongering GOP base will get the Authoritarian Empire they want anyway.

If they don't give him the nomination, I think the grass roots efforts need to continue campaigning HARD for a Ron Paul write in on the ballots.

Gimme Some Truth
10-22-2007, 11:13 AM
The Republican party shrunk massively due to the war issue.

I believe most of the people that left will support Ron. Whilst the war is a big issue , it isnt the main issue. Disillusioned ex republicans , i think, still do not want to vote for a democrat due to domestic policies. True republicans ( i believe the ones that left the GOP) still want smaller government and less taxes aswel as the war ending. Ron stands for both of these. Whilst some may find some of his views a little excessive i believe alot would prefer them to socialism that hillary offers.

That said , Itl still only be a small portion of the Republicans so we still still have ALOT of work to do

lucius
10-22-2007, 11:15 AM
It is obvious that in the general election Ron Paul would never be elected with Republican votes alone. It's going to need a pissed off public to get this Patriot elected. I fear too many have sipped the Kool-Aid for too long. I hope I'm wrong!

Sipping that Kool-Aid neat no doubt. General political apathy is high, I talk to many who feel that there is little difference between the party’s stances--both for big spending war mongers. I fear that our two-party election process has been well-cooked for almost 100 years (see my signature).

LFOD
10-22-2007, 12:01 PM
Those in control of the Republican party today are big-government militant nationalists acting for the benefit of large corporations (fascists). The majority of voters will not support that agenda. The party will have to change or lose. What's most likely is that they will lose, big time, and then figure out how to change.

LFOD
10-22-2007, 12:05 PM
Those in control of the Republican party today are anti-democratic, big-government militant nationalists acting for the benefit of large corporations (fascists). Authoritanism has a powerful appeal in times of turmoil. I'm not ready to count them out.

ghemminger
10-22-2007, 12:06 PM
Let's see - American just need to be educated on the FOUNDING fathers and the constitution -this is how I got turned around!

Badger Paul
10-22-2007, 12:08 PM
If there's no room for antiwar sentiment in the GOP then the GOP is in real trouble.

The fanatics can boo Ron Paul all they want but he's right. They're the one's in the minority.

It was the GOP that brough peace in Korea, ultimately in Vietnam, and brought peace and prosperity after World War I. Not peace through surrender but peace with honor. If that kind of senitment cannot exist still in the GOP thanks to all the ex-Democrats and Trotskiests within her ranks now, then what we have are two Democratic Parties, not one.

We are the real Republicans. We're all that's left.