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BamaFanNKy
01-24-2011, 10:45 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2011/romney_holds_slight_edge_over_huckabee_and_palin

Brett85
01-24-2011, 10:50 AM
I still can't understand why Romney is so popular. He's a major statist.

smithtg
01-24-2011, 10:51 AM
Romney = John McCain. He will definitely lose to OBAMA. That's not me showing favorites, its just the truth.

Brett85
01-24-2011, 10:58 AM
Romney = John McCain. He will definitely lose to OBAMA. That's not me showing favorites, its just the truth.

Yep. I hope the Constitution Party nominates a paleo-con. I'll be voting Constitution Party if Romney wins the GOP nomination.

lester1/2jr
01-24-2011, 10:59 AM
I agree. He will get the nomination for the same reason McCain did, because they feel like he should have gotten it before, even though he is totally beside the point in 2012 and will have the same problems with his being a mormon and whatnot. It's the weird psychology of the voters and insiders.

sailingaway
01-24-2011, 11:03 AM
"Likely Republican Primary Voters"

I remember when Rand was running and there was a big deal because Dems, to pretend Conway would have a better result, were refusing to use 'likely voter' models even right before the election. Obviously, there are more Dems who don't end up voting, in most elections. OUR folks, however, might only vote if there were a real opportunity -- such as Ron. They might be less 'likely' to vote, by looking at historic voting patterns. Other polls don't use a likely voter model this far in advance.

However, we need to pitch videos etc to independents to register GOP. A lot of people who left the GOP did so BECAUSE they were our sort (conservative.) They might not come back for the trio at the top of this poll, but they might be persuaded to come back for Ron, if they see the April Rasmussen head to head poll between Ron and Obama, showing Ron just one percentage point behind. Independents were KEY in that poll. If they know he'd be viable IF they register, they might do so, but they have to know it will make a difference.

hazek
01-24-2011, 11:06 AM
I still can't understand why Romney is so popular. He's a major statist.

This is such a simple question I can't believe our community is still asking it.

GunnyFreedom
01-24-2011, 11:07 AM
Romney gets votes for the same reason Obama gets votes - he's "pretty." http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

hazek
01-24-2011, 11:07 AM
I agree. He will get the nomination for the same reason McCain did, because they feel like he should have gotten it before, even though he is totally beside the point in 2012 and will have the same problems with his being a mormon and whatnot. It's the weird psychology of the voters and insiders.

Not Weird. It's designed.

hazek
01-24-2011, 11:08 AM
Romney gets votes for the same reason Obama gets votes - he's "pretty." http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

Wrong.

GunnyFreedom
01-24-2011, 11:10 AM
"Likely Republican Primary Voters"

I remember when Rand was running and there was a big deal because Dems, to pretend Conway would have a better result, were refusing to use 'likely voter' models even right before the election. Obviously, there are more Dems who don't end up voting, in most elections. OUR folks, however, might only vote if there were a real opportunity -- such as Ron. They might be less 'likely' to vote, by looking at historic voting patterns. Other polls don't use a likely voter model this far in advance.

However, we need to pitch videos etc to independents to register GOP. A lot of people who left the GOP did so BECAUSE they were our sort (conservative.) They might not come back for the trio at the top of this poll, but they might be persuaded to come back for Ron, if they see the April Rasmussen head to head poll between Ron and Obama, showing Ron just one percentage point behind. Independents were KEY in that poll. If they know he'd be viable IF they register, they might do so, but they have to know it will make a difference.

Indeed, and the key to demonstrating viability is...believe it or not...making an insanely strong showing in our county, district, and state convention cycles. If we adopt hard-core Constitutionalist platforms that will make news, and that news will turn the ears of disgruntled ex-Republicans, and then when a RP12 activist knocks on their door, they will already be open to our plan from the first minute.

Brett85
01-24-2011, 11:10 AM
This is such a simple question I can't believe our community is still asking it.

The only thing I can think of is that he looks good and speaks well. Many people don't even care about the actual issues.

GunnyFreedom
01-24-2011, 11:11 AM
Wrong.

Obama, Palin, Romney... people vote for 'pretty.' Sorry man, but it's true.

jon_perez
01-24-2011, 11:20 AM
Face it. The majority of Americans still want to suck at the government teat. They feel entitled to be taken care of by the welfare state.

hazek
01-24-2011, 11:20 AM
You are all super delusional. It drives me crazy to read your comments. Especially you Gunnys who actually won an election.


Looks have little or nothing to do with it. It's all about the emotions people get when hearing their name. And those emotions are shoved down the general public's throat by the media propaganda. If any of you think Ron can potentially win this time around you are plain mad. Unless we figure out a way to neutralize the propaganda it will never happen. Ever.

EDIT: And I really hate this fact because nothing would make me happier then Ron getting elected. But you people need to finally get it through skulls that votes are cast out of EMOTIONS and unless we start working with the intention of affecting those emotions we will never win. Never!

Lucille
01-24-2011, 11:21 AM
IMO, Obama will win again in '12, no matter who wins the GOP nom. There is no way the bifactional ruling party machine will allow the First Black President to only serve one term. It would be racist.

Rand Paul 2016!

Lucille
01-24-2011, 11:23 AM
Face it. The majority of Americans still want to suck at the government teat. They feel entitled to be taken care of by the welfare state.

This is also true. The Welfare-Warfare States of America will continue, until we fall like the Roman Empire, and for the same reasons.

college4life
01-24-2011, 11:24 AM
Lucille, you are right. Obama will win once again, the welfare state is stronger than many of you think.

What will this country look like in 2016?

jtstellar
01-24-2011, 11:28 AM
old people are voting for whom they think will most likely sustain social security. that is how i speculate. is there a ratio for seniors


This is such a simple question I can't believe our community is still asking it.

if you believe everything can be planned with such precision and delicacy then perhaps you should advocate a moral re-education program so the elites can learn how to better govern, rather than advocating for free trade or freedom, or any of that stuff.

hazek
01-24-2011, 11:33 AM
if you believe everything can be planned with such precision and delicacy then perhaps you should advocate a moral re-education program so the elites can learn how to better govern, rather than advocating for free trade or freedom, or any of that stuff.

Sorry I don't understand.

jtstellar
01-24-2011, 11:45 AM
poll says demographics detail only available to subscribers.. anyone got ratio for senior voters post pls

Brett85
01-24-2011, 11:51 AM
Maybe we'll have a stroke of luck and Romney will simply decide not to run.

Brian4Liberty
01-24-2011, 12:05 PM
It was a multi-choice poll. The actual wording of the survey:


If the 2012 Republican Primary for President were held today would you vote for Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty, Newt Gingrich or Mitch Daniels?

ClayTrainor
01-24-2011, 12:07 PM
I still can't understand why Romney is so popular. He's a major statist.

Well... I think you kind of answered your own concern. He's a major statist and the vast majority of voters out there, left and right, believe in using the power of the state to solve complex social problems.

Brian4Liberty
01-24-2011, 12:14 PM
Looks have little or nothing to do with it. It's all about the emotions people get when hearing their name. And those emotions are shoved down the general public's throat by the media propaganda.

Of course media propaganda plays a huge role. The media can sink any candidate that they want to sink.

But if the media doesn't favor one or another, history shows us that appearance (and height) do play big roles in how people vote. Just human nature, like it or not.

hazek
01-24-2011, 12:17 PM
Well sure but compared to the effect the propaganda has, looks are almost irrelevant. That was my point.

I understand rapport can be established merely based on good looks and would play a big role in a world without media propaganda but we don't live in such a world, do we now?

HOLLYWOOD
01-24-2011, 12:21 PM
poll says demographics detail only available to subscribers.. anyone got ratio for senior voters post pls

They used Frank Luntz's Call List.

Anyway, Rassmussen is your establishment NEOCON FAUX NEWS social engineering accomplice

johnrocks
01-24-2011, 12:21 PM
Yep. I hope the Constitution Party nominates a paleo-con. I'll be voting Constitution Party if Romney wins the GOP nomination.

That,Libertarian or some other third party, I'll stay home and not vote before settling for this guy.

hazek
01-24-2011, 12:21 PM
I urge everyone to go to this youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/rabidbear8#g/u

And watch the Propaganda and Rhetoric Panel Discussion, especially the first one which you can also find in one piece here. (http://www.linktv.org/video/2142)

hazek
01-24-2011, 12:25 PM
I cannot stress enough how fking important it is that every Ron Paul supporter understands what's being presented in this part of the panel:

Reason absolutely requires emotion!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Y7LDAnu2I

2young2vote
01-24-2011, 12:32 PM
So much for coming in second in the recent straw poll. We have some work to do if he runs.

hazek
01-24-2011, 12:36 PM
So much for coming in second in the recent straw poll. We have some work to do if he runs.

You have no idea. If we want to win we have to create our own propaganda and find the most effective ways of spreading it. The creating part shouldn't be as difficult but the spreading part definitely is a huge challenge.

Original_Intent
01-24-2011, 12:40 PM
I think the beswt way to beat Romney, Giuliani, and the rest of the GOPtards is to tie them to TARP. Any clips of them saying that TARP was a "must have" is going to hurt them, that is something that I think played a big role in 2010 elections and will likely continue to matter in 2012.

In the mean time, maybe Romney will get hit in the face with Holy Water... /Constantine :)

Romulus
01-24-2011, 12:43 PM
The only thing I can think of is that he looks good and speaks well. Many people don't even care about the actual issues.

This is not just with politics, but general social circles as well. Most of society has a base line meter that is satisfied if something looks and sounds good, they determine it to be good.

libertybrewcity
01-24-2011, 12:49 PM
You are all super delusional. It drives me crazy to read your comments. Especially you Gunnys who actually won an election.


Looks have little or nothing to do with it. It's all about the emotions people get when hearing their name. And those emotions are shoved down the general public's throat by the media propaganda. If any of you think Ron can potentially win this time around you are plain mad. Unless we figure out a way to neutralize the propaganda it will never happen. Ever.

EDIT: And I really hate this fact because nothing would make me happier then Ron getting elected. But you people need to finally get it through skulls that votes are cast out of EMOTIONS and unless we start working with the intention of affecting those emotions we will never win. Never!

Emotions are the main factor, but looks play into that. How many ugly politicians do you see? Not many. You are right, if Ron wants to win he must play to the peoples emotions. It is the only strategy that will win.

The election won't be won from forums comments, it will be won from targeting the Republican base and likely Republican primary voters. Democrats aren't going to vote in the Republican primary. They may in small numbers, but not enough to give Ron a win. Ron needs to run a 'mainstream' campaign. That mixed with populist support and grassroots efforts he can take the nomination. The general is a whole other story..

Microtargeting is essential. Youth are different from the elderly who are different from working middle class voters. Just a note, focus on issues they like, not issues you like.

heavenlyboy34
01-24-2011, 12:52 PM
I still can't understand why Romney is so popular. He's a major statist.

Because the Repub party has been flooded with lots of statists since at least the Progressive era (especially at the national level). JMHO.

Brian4Liberty
01-24-2011, 12:58 PM
Emotions are the main factor, but looks play into that. How many ugly politicians do you see? Not many.

The establishment and neo-conservatives cover all their bases. They put up the good, the bad and the ugly...

http://blog.reidreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/giuliani_drag11.jpg

Fredom101
01-24-2011, 01:00 PM
You are all super delusional. It drives me crazy to read your comments. Especially you Gunnys who actually won an election.


Looks have little or nothing to do with it. It's all about the emotions people get when hearing their name. And those emotions are shoved down the general public's throat by the media propaganda. If any of you think Ron can potentially win this time around you are plain mad. Unless we figure out a way to neutralize the propaganda it will never happen. Ever.

EDIT: And I really hate this fact because nothing would make me happier then Ron getting elected. But you people need to finally get it through skulls that votes are cast out of EMOTIONS and unless we start working with the intention of affecting those emotions we will never win. Never!

I unfortunately agree, the MSM can make or break any candidate. They ressurected McCain from the dead and forced Palin down our throats. They created Fred Thompson then threw him away with yesterday's newspaper. They started interviewing RP in late 2007 and gave him a total media blackout in the 2 weeks leading up to the important primaries.

Beyond the MSM's power in elections, most voters (elderly) will NEVER vote for someone who they perceive is going to take away their goodies!

I'm not trying to be a downer but let's look at the reality here. The best thing we can do is discuss our superior ideas during the circus that is coming soon.

libertybrewcity
01-24-2011, 01:00 PM
The establishment and neo-conservatives cover all their bases. They put up the good, the bad and the ugly...

http://blog.reidreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/giuliani_drag11.jpg

They do, but looks definitely don't hurt ones chances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzrUztyd1Y&feature=feedf

The Republican Party tries to play to the voters emotions by putting up good looking women as candidates. It is quite obvious that people want to look at good-looking people. It can play to many different emotions. It will not be a deciding factor for a voter, but it definitely gives them a head start.

libertybrewcity
01-24-2011, 01:06 PM
Also, this poll is a nationwide poll. Wins in Ames, Iowa, NH, SC, and NV will be the factor that boosts that number.

Brett85
01-24-2011, 01:18 PM
Because the Repub party has been flooded with lots of statists since at least the Progressive era (especially at the national level). JMHO.

Yeah, but even Republican voters don't support the kind of mandates that Romney supports.

DGambler
01-24-2011, 01:19 PM
You have no idea. If we want to win we have to create our own propaganda and find the most effective ways of spreading it. The creating part shouldn't be as difficult but the spreading part definitely is a huge challenge.

As long as the materials look "professional" and not "kooky", wouldn't Facebook be a perfect medium for the message?

Thrashertm
01-24-2011, 01:22 PM
I think the beswt way to beat Romney, Giuliani, and the rest of the GOPtards is to tie them to TARP. Any clips of them saying that TARP was a "must have" is going to hurt them, that is something that I think played a big role in 2010 elections and will likely continue to matter in 2012.

In the mean time, maybe Romney will get hit in the face with Holy Water... /Constantine :)

The problem now is that there's a major propaganda campaign under way to convince the public that TARP was a "good investment" and that it was "paid back with interest". Of course we know that the banks just shuffled some free money from the Fed back to the Treasury, but we aren't most GOP voters.

hazek
01-24-2011, 02:44 PM
As long as the materials look "professional" and not "kooky", wouldn't Facebook be a perfect medium for the message?

1st of all your question alone shows me how little of what I'm trying to get you to learn and understand you actually learned and understood

2nd of all I don't know if FB is the perfect medium for spreading a message. It could be.

georgiaboy
01-24-2011, 02:45 PM
Romneycare

RyanRSheets
01-24-2011, 04:23 PM
2nd of all I don't know if FB is the perfect medium for spreading a message. It could be.

Facebook is the win maker, if you can manage to swing a truly viral piece of propaganda. Unfortunately, there doesn't really seem to be a science behind viral marketing, yet.

ItsTime
01-24-2011, 04:25 PM
Liberal Republican Mitt "I Like Mandates" Romney will never get the nod.

hazek
01-24-2011, 04:28 PM
Facebook is the win maker, if you can manage to swing a truly viral piece of propaganda. Unfortunately, there doesn't really seem to be a science behind viral marketing, yet.

Possible but I have my doubts since a huge voting block isn't using it and many of those that are don't vote.

QueenB4Liberty
01-24-2011, 06:00 PM
Well... I think you kind of answered your own concern. He's a major statist and the vast majority of voters out there, left and right, believe in using the power of the state to solve complex social problems.

Bingo.

SamuraisWisdom
01-24-2011, 07:25 PM
Ron's been going in the wrong direction in these polls. Wasn't it just less than a year ago he was polling around 10% consistently? What happened?

Humanae Libertas
01-24-2011, 07:27 PM
Mitt Romney is a fucking snake-neo-con-war-mongering-chicken-hawk! Are Republicans' really that stupid that they're willing to support a Socialist, who supports a government take over (just as long as you are a Republican) of health care?

Here is Romney's record:

Mitt Romney on the Issues (http://www.ontheissues.org/mitt_romney.htm)

hazek
01-24-2011, 07:50 PM
Mitt Romney is a fucking snake-neo-con-war-mongering-chicken-hawk! Are Republicans' really that stupid that they're willing to support a Socialist, who supports a government take over (just as long as you are a Republican) of health care?

Here is Romney's record:

Mitt Romney on the Issues (http://www.ontheissues.org/mitt_romney.htm)

Please for heavens sake it has nothing to do with reason and everything to do with emotions! Please I beg you to learn this already.

HazyHusky420
01-24-2011, 07:52 PM
Yep. I hope the Constitution Party nominates a paleo-con. I'll be voting Constitution Party if Romney wins the GOP nomination.

Yeah a protectionist loon. Woot.

I'll be voting for the LP candidate.

HazyHusky420
01-24-2011, 07:53 PM
How can so many people dislike Obamacare AND support Romney? For now on I say we call Obamacare Romneycare because it was his idea!

TNforPaul45
01-24-2011, 08:03 PM
Romney gets ahead by such a wide margin because of his IMAGE, not his SUBSTANCE.

He looks like a winner (a look assisted and propagated by the GOP media outlets as well) and the majority of republicans go for good image.

fj45lvr
01-24-2011, 08:11 PM
This poll reinforces my observation that only about 4% of the GOP wants limited government and liberty.

The GOP is a lost cause

rich34
01-24-2011, 09:33 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2011/romney_holds_slight_edge_over_huckabee_and_palin

I know u supported Rand in the Kentucky senate race but correct me if im wrong but didnt u say u supported Huckabee for president? Hell just look at your headline and then read the article. 3 way race with ur boy huch eh? Go pimp huck elsewhere!

rich34
01-24-2011, 09:35 PM
This post is not about Romney its about the huckster!

AlexMerced
01-24-2011, 09:36 PM
It's politics, Romney has got a lot of money to do a lot of "favors" for the influential people who can influence a lot of peoples votes. Romney had that same political momentum last time but the variety of contender in the field thwarted his plan cause the focus kept shifting to different people no matter how hard Romney tried to make it about him.

That will happen again, Romney will not win the nomination cause the media will focus on more scandalous and controversial candidates.

I'm hoping MSNBC will did with Ron what they did with Rand in the primary and help him out thinking he's the weaker candidate, and while soon as the primary is over they'll pull out the big guns, like Rand it'll be too late.

rich34
01-24-2011, 09:43 PM
Wow, the op drops a link to stir the shit but then dont make another post. Then u read the article and its just as pro huckabee as it is romney. This dude was vwry helpful for Rand but is a supporter of the snake huckabee, dont be fooled!

jtstellar
01-25-2011, 09:50 AM
rp just has to knock through with those old people/senior voters.. they are simply paranoid about the social security issue.. they would rather carry s.s. into their graves with them than seeing the nation come out of this alive. unless we see some 80% turn out with youths and others or some other unlikely event.

Dissident
01-25-2011, 05:55 PM
I have to agree with hazek.

For a casual observer of politics, the emotions a candidate incites often takes priority over the issues.

In this case, Ron has a natural advantage in that he is honest, incorruptible, and experienced. Especially with the continued exposure of Obama, most people can relate to the stereotype of a politician as a conniving, slimy slickster who will say anything to get a vote. This stereotype needs to be heavily reinforced when discussing other candidates and used to differentiate Ron.

If nothing else, Ron needs to be branded to the masses not as a politician but as a once-in-a-generation wise elder statesman. As one of those larger-than-life historical figures who will be talked about long after he is gone. In short, a hero.

This is the key to getting people to respond who lack the interest in and/or understanding of economics, the Constitution, government policy, and foreign policy.

We have to realize that the issues alone will not carry him into the mainstream.

ForLibertyFight
01-25-2011, 06:27 PM
I have to agree with hazek.

For a casual observer of politics, the emotions a candidate incites often takes priority over the issues.

In this case, Ron has a natural advantage in that he is honest, incorruptible, and experienced. Especially with the continued exposure of Obama, most people can relate to the stereotype of a politician as a conniving, slimy slickster who will say anything to get a vote. This stereotype needs to be heavily reinforced when discussing other candidates and used to differentiate Ron.

If nothing else, Ron needs to be branded to the masses not as a politician but as a once-in-a-generation wise elder statesman. As one of those larger-than-life historical figures who will be talked about long after he is gone. In short, a hero.

This is the key to getting people to respond who lack the interest in and/or understanding of economics, the Constitution, government policy, and foreign policy.

We have to realize that the issues alone will not carry him into the mainstream.

This.