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JackieDan
01-18-2011, 10:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUMiIvFrsts

Hi Everybody,

In August when the campaign ended, I promised that you would hear from me again. So as we kick off the New Year I want to recap 2010, ask for your help to put it to rest once and for all and rally your support for our shared values in the year ahead.

During the Senate campaign, we increased my name recognition in Connecticut from virtually nothing to nearly half of registered Republican voters! We also raised $2.7 million dollars in individual donations and exceeded all expectations by taking a quarter of the vote in a three-way Republican primary.

Though we did not win this time, we've ultimately paved the way for future grassroots campaigns to promote our message of liberty -- and maybe even another campaign of my own. However, any future political endeavors I might undertake will be significantly easier if I'm not almost $1 million in the hole to start, so I'm asking for your help paying back the $800,000 I loaned my campaign to compete with Linda McMahon's millions.

Please follow this link right away to make a contribution of $50, $100, $250 or even $1,000. When donating you will be able to watch a special video message I recorded for my strongest supporters. So please make your contribution right away!

Whether you can give $50 or $500, your donation -- should I consider running again -- will make me more likely to do so and more likely to win. But in the meantime, I'm focusing my attention on warning Americans about the critical economic issues that threaten our economy in 2011 and beyond. Because trust me: electing a fiscally conservative majority in one house of Congress does not mean a return to economic sanity in Washington.

There are a lot of problems that we've yet to confront in the American economy. The real U.S. economic collapse did not happen in 2008 -- it's yet to come, and 2011 could well be the year it arrives. The Federal Reserve is out of ammunition to artificially bolster the economy, though they insist the stimulus is working. But consumer and government spending do not equal economic growth -- because we're merely spending borrowed money to consume what the rest of the world produces!

The U.S. has more debt than any other country, and it's going to come back to haunt us sooner rather than later. That's why I'm focusing my energies on warning our elected officials, Wall Street CEOs, and every day Americans about the true state of the American economy, and government's role in creating and exacerbating the problem.

At some point in time, I may consider running for office again. The more money I recover of the $800,000 I loaned to finance my 2010 campaign, the more inclined I will be to give it another try, and the more likely I will have the resources to win. That's why I'm asking you to follow this link right away to make a contribution of $50, $100, $250 or even $1,000. Don't forget that when you donate any amount you will be able to watch a special video message from me.

America is counting on you and so am I.

Sincerely,
Peter Schiff
Republican U.S. Senate Candidate

P.S. The real U.S. economic collapse did not happen in 2008 -- it's yet to, and 2011 could be the year. For the time being, I am focusing my attention on warning America about the economic dangers we face. But if I ever consider running for office again in the future, I will be more likely to do so -- and win -- if I do not start out $800,000 in the hole. So please follow this link right away to make a contribution of $50, $100, $250 or even $1,000 right away to help retire the campaign debt. Don't forget that I've recorded a special video message for my strongest supporters that you will be able to view when you donate.

Kludge
01-18-2011, 10:40 AM
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squarepusher
01-18-2011, 10:42 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

teacherone
01-18-2011, 10:43 AM
wow...that's lame.

JasonC
01-18-2011, 11:56 AM
Kind of lame, but I suspect Schiff is just trying to have ammo for 2012....

qh4dotcom
01-18-2011, 12:00 PM
Peter's got enough money...no need to send him more...also he spent about $118 per vote which means there was waste of resources in his campaign.

I did contribute to his campaign but he needs to announce he's running before I send another penny.

Daamien
01-18-2011, 12:40 PM
If you want Peter to run again, whether for Senate or the House, it would make sense to conduct a grassroots draft moneybomb. I would consider marketing it as a means to build a 2012 campaign rather than framing it around retiring existing debt. Otherwise Peter isn't going to raise anything substantial.

Daamien
01-18-2011, 12:42 PM
Peter's got enough money...no need to send him more...also he spent about $118 per vote which means there was waste of resources in his campaign.

I did contribute to his campaign but he needs to announce he's running before I send another penny.

I wonder what the statistics were for Simmons, McMahon, and McMahon. I'd wager than Peter had the lowest ratio of dollars per vote.

ctiger2
01-18-2011, 12:42 PM
I think this is a terrible PR move... Especially since his net worth is in the multiple of millions. If he wasn't willing to lose that money, then he shouldn't have loaned it to his campaign.

Maximus
01-18-2011, 12:48 PM
He should launch a new campaign and encourage donations for that. Are there State level/House races that could work well for Schiff?

Epic
01-18-2011, 12:51 PM
Peter shouldn't be doing this, just for PR reasons.

Do remember that he had to be dragged into the campaign by other people. It wasn't his idea originally. He was doing others a favor.

Anyway, do not focus resources on Schiff in 2012. Liberty-politicians cannot win in statist Connecticut. Lets focus on states like Texas.

college4life
01-18-2011, 12:52 PM
I recently learned Schiff donated to Alan Grayson. Why? Alan Grayson is an insufferable human being and one of the biggest libs of all

Maximus
01-18-2011, 12:53 PM
I recently learned Schiff donated to Alan Grayson. Why? Alan Grayson is an insufferable human being and one of the biggest libs of all

Grayson bashed the Fed relentlessly for awhile, that's all I can think of

college4life
01-18-2011, 12:54 PM
But Grayson probably wanted congress to dictate spending more, he didn't want to abolish it for the reasons Paul does if that makes any sense.

Grayson supports universal healthcare etc which almost force the FED to monetize or else rates would spike forcing a default

pacelli
01-18-2011, 12:55 PM
So he wants people to cover the donations that he matched during the campaign? Either way, Peter knows that the economy has gotten so bad since his campaign that fewer people will be able to afford to cover his debts.

college4life
01-18-2011, 12:57 PM
I hope he does run again, I support Schiff but if anyone here knows Schiff I would like to know why he would donate the maximum amount to Grayson? Why not spend those resources on more liberty-oriented candidates?

tsai3904
01-18-2011, 12:57 PM
I recently learned Schiff donated to Alan Grayson. Why? Alan Grayson is an insufferable human being and one of the biggest libs of all

Alan Grayson is a client of Euro Pacific Capital.

Deborah K
01-18-2011, 12:58 PM
This doesn't sit well with me. He took a risk and used 800k of his own money and wants his supporters to pay it back. That's fk'd up imo. I like Schiff, I donated to his campaign, and I took the advice in 'Crash Proof'. But this is cheesy to me. That dog don't hunt.

college4life
01-18-2011, 12:59 PM
tsai3904, I understand but if Obama was a client of EUROPAC should schiff donate to him?

If someone is your client you should try to serve him or her well, but that doesn't mean you should support their ideas if they are completely against a thriving economy

tsai3904
01-18-2011, 01:02 PM
tsai3904, I understand but if Obama was a client of EUROPAC should schiff donate to him?

If someone is your client you should try to serve him or her well, but that doesn't mean you should support their ideas if they are completely against a thriving economy

I wasn't justifying Peter Schiff's donations to Alan Grayson. I simply stated the fact that Grayson is a client as a reason why Schiff may have donated to Grayson. I don't know the reasons why he donated.

By the way, as someone else previously mentioned, he was a staunch advocate of auditing the Federal Reserve. Ron Paul said himself that he couldn't have gotten 320 cosponsors on HR 1207 without Alan Grayson.

college4life
01-18-2011, 01:06 PM
Ok I didn't mean to be critical, I just think Schiff donating to Grayson is a little suspicious given that he doesn't donate to many liberty candidates at all.

Yes, grayson opposes the FED but for the wrong reasons. He, like Kuninich, wants Congress to oversee spending which will be even more disastrous. He needs to realize the FED monetizes because of the deficit.

Grayson is a huge part of the problem and Schiff is a little disappointing by supporting him.

But that's just my opinion man

erowe1
01-18-2011, 01:06 PM
I recently learned Schiff donated to Alan Grayson. Why? Alan Grayson is an insufferable human being and one of the biggest libs of all

Wow. That's interesting. I didn't believe it until I looked it up. Grayson is the only Dem Shiff's on record donating to. He also maxed out to RP, Kokesh, Rand, and Murray Sabrin. So all in all he's been a good friend to us with his political contributions.

I'm impartial about this request for help with repaying his debt to himself. I won't be donating. But anyone who does is doing it voluntarily, so more power to them. He's certainly not the first politician to ask supporters for help with campaign debts.

erowe1
01-18-2011, 01:07 PM
Ok I didn't mean to be critical, I just think Schiff donating to Grayson is a little suspicious given that he doesn't donate to many liberty candidates at all.

He maxed out to RP, Rand, Kokesh, and Sabrin. What more do you want?

college4life
01-18-2011, 01:09 PM
EROWE1, I didn't realize he had donated to Sabrin and Kokesh. But still it'd be better if he donated to some other liberty-friendly candidates instead of Grayson.

Heck, I'd rather him just spend 2400 on a night out than on giving it away to Grayson if that makes any sense.

tsai3904
01-18-2011, 01:11 PM
Ok I didn't mean to be critical, I just think Schiff donating to Grayson is a little suspicious given that he doesn't donate to many liberty candidates at all.

I think it's suspicious too, but for different reasons. Would Schiff have donated to Grayson if Grayson wasn't a client? For Grayson to be a client, he has to have some trust in Schiff's understanding of the economy. Maybe Schiff thought he would be able to convince Grayson on some economic issues.

college4life
01-18-2011, 01:13 PM
To be perfectly frank, I think it's a little "you rub my back and I'll rub yours" activity going on. Grayson won't alter many of his core economic ideas at this stage.

Grayson is very wealthy, invests a lot with Schiff and Schiff rewards him with campaign contributions. Very disheartening, you should approve or disapprove of a man not because of his wealth but because of his beliefs/actions of course.

RonPaulFanInGA
01-18-2011, 01:17 PM
I'd wager than[sic] Peter had the lowest ratio of dollars per vote.

Peter Schiff also had the lowest amount of votes in the primary, below a guy who dropped out of the race months prior.

Might get flamed for this but just cannot understand the infatuation with running some of "our" 2010 last places duds again (Medina, Schiff.) Can't we find some fresh faces?

college4life
01-18-2011, 01:19 PM
I agree RONPAULFANINGA,

Peter is good at econ. I agree. But he is a terrible politician. He is not a warm person, not a real family man on the campaign trail and whether you like it or not that is very important espcially in the Republican primary.

I think it is a poor use of resources to invest in Schiff's campaign, I'd rather see people buy gold and silver or support a candidate with a realistic chance of winning

Liberty_Mike
01-18-2011, 01:30 PM
Sorry Peter, but I donated $100 to your campaign during the actual campaign season, and I do not think you used our money as efficiently as you could have to win the race. You should have followed and taken ideas from Rand Paul and other tea party candidates. As big of a fan of Schiffs as I am, he will need some serious reforms in the way he campaigns if he wants to win in 2012.

qh4dotcom
01-18-2011, 01:30 PM
I recently learned Schiff donated to Alan Grayson. Why? Alan Grayson is an insufferable human being and one of the biggest libs of all

Grayson is a Euro Pacific client...and I recall when Peter was talking about him Peter said Grayson understand economics...unfortunately he is misguided on the socialist policies.

qh4dotcom
01-18-2011, 01:31 PM
Bump

college4life
01-18-2011, 01:35 PM
If Grayson understands economics, why does he support higher income taxes, universal healthcare and huge entitlement programs? The joke is that Grayson gets pissed at the FED but what does he want them to do? not monetize the deficit? Then who will buy the bonds?

We can't be naive, Peter wants to reward Grayson for being a client and it is frankly disgusting.

emazur
01-18-2011, 01:40 PM
Peter spent a ton of his own money and time on the campaign, and underwrites most of the cost of his radio show by himself. Sure he has the money to pay off the $800k himself (and I have no doubt he'll pay off a large portion of that by himself) but wants to gauge the level of support to decide whether or not to run again in 2012. He did make significant progress in name recognition which would help a lot if he made another run.

cbc58
01-18-2011, 01:44 PM
this says alot about him. disappointing to say the least. he's not a politician and shouldn't be one. he should know better than to spend money he doesn't have and loaning his campaign money is his own business. let him eat the loss and learn.

nobody's_hero
01-18-2011, 01:51 PM
I'll donate a little bit when I get paid again ($20 is about all I can part with). But if I do that, I want Peter to know that I won't be able to donate to any future campaign of his (if, in fact, he is using this as a way to measure support for him in the future). It's nothing personal, here's my rationale:

It is different to say that there are 'politicians who can't win races,' and 'there are races that can't be won.' I won't be so quick to write Peter off as a politician who can't win races. If we had serious debates in this country, he would have been able to mop the floor with the other candidates. But in Connecticut, there are races that can't be won.

It pains me that so far we have seen great candidates in horrible locations. But blame the location, not the candidate. After all, it is the people of those areas who must decide who is electable. The candidates only get one vote for themselves, so they obviously can't do all the work. This isn't like a foot-race where each runner must win on his own merit, with no one there to move his feet for him. It's a fuckin' popularity contest, and the brightest, most-qualified do not always win.

But someone should let Mr. Schiff know that while his attempt was appreciated, he isn't the only one who's gone into debt to support liberty candidates.

K466
01-18-2011, 02:32 PM
Interesting, I just have not had the feeling he will run in 2012, but this would seem to indicate possible interest...

Kludge
01-18-2011, 02:34 PM
Interesting, I just have not had the feeling he will run in 2012, but this would seem to indicate possible interest...

Which is why he said it while asking for money.

Fredom101
01-18-2011, 02:35 PM
how the hell does schiff not have enough money to easily be able to pay this back???
this boggles my mind. i'm really surprised that he would ask for help with this. i don't get it!

youngbuck
01-18-2011, 02:36 PM
He said he was willing to put forth a lot of his own money. He did, and now he's regretting it and wants his supporters to bail him out. I donated twice to his campaign, both for his exploratory committee (or whatever that's called), and again during the latter half of his campaign. He's not getting any more from me.

YumYum
01-18-2011, 02:46 PM
this says alot about him. disappointing to say the least. he's not a politician and shouldn't be one. he should know better than to spend money he doesn't have and loaning his campaign money is his own business. let him eat the loss and learn.

That isn't what a good fiscal conservative should be doing, and that is, spending money he doesn't have. Anyways, he set his sights too high, just like Ralph Nader running for president, when Nader has never held office. Peter should next try running for state assembly, or even mayor, to get more experience before another run for the senate.

vita3
01-18-2011, 02:53 PM
Schiff should get involved locally in politics & swallow the $$ he put up for his unsucessfull Senate chase. making $$ is the dude's life.

ronaldo23
01-18-2011, 03:22 PM
Peter's FEC reports state that he is worth between 68 and 90 million dollars. Probably a lot more this year from sales from his book, appearances, and the rise of gold, which he invests 50% of his wealth in. Kind of dissapointing that he wants people to pay him back...Conway asked his supporters the same thing earlier this year.

Daamien
01-18-2011, 03:28 PM
I'm fairly certain that the campaign "debt" is owed to himself. It's FEC law that you can't forgive your own campaign debt and give yourself money in excess of the $2,400 personal limit without it being considered "debt". This means that if Peter were to run again, he would first have to figure out how to retire all the outstanding debt. I could be wrong. Regardless, it's a necessary step if he wants to run (or if anyone else wants him to run, like you guys) for 2012.

ronaldo23
01-18-2011, 03:34 PM
But Grayson probably wanted congress to dictate spending more, he didn't want to abolish it for the reasons Paul does if that makes any sense.

Grayson supports universal healthcare etc which almost force the FED to monetize or else rates would spike forcing a default

He donated to grayson as a close friend, and said it wasn't political, since Grayson was a client for many years at Euro-Pacific Capital, and their young kids even played together or something. Plus he didn't know the extent to which Grayson would be a douche in congress.

He also said he disagrees with Grayson on almost every issue and even called him to voice his disapproval of Grayson's cap and trade vote, but that they agree almost entirely on the federal reserve and the value of the us dollar (hence a liberal democrat like grayson is investing in a company like Euro-Pacific Capital)

doodle
01-18-2011, 03:42 PM
Peter had a good start but his Iran war interview turned off some anti war libertarian support from what I had heard.
Anyways, I thought he was loaded with money, who does he owe money to to and how much?

ctiger2
01-18-2011, 04:56 PM
That isn't what a good fiscal conservative should be doing, and that is, spending money he doesn't have.

Sounds like Peter has plenty of money. He just wants supporters to pay him back for what he put into the campaign.

Romulus
01-18-2011, 04:59 PM
At the risk of being too harsh, Peter is starting to sound like a limousine libertarian. I think we need to be smart about where our support goes. Running in a liberal state really isnt such a good idea.. If Peter is serious about winning, maybe he should look into other avenues where it's possible, instead of just trying to collect the most money and saying he 'might' run.

brandon
01-18-2011, 05:26 PM
How Jewish of him.

(someone had to say it! I don't really mean it. ;) )

pacelli
01-18-2011, 06:02 PM
How Jewish of him.

(someone had to say it! I don't really mean it. ;) )

I guess it had to be done. Why does it not surprise me that you're always getting yourself into trouble :)

ADL trolls in 5...4..3...2..

iddo
01-18-2011, 06:05 PM
I recently learned Schiff donated to Alan Grayson. Why? Alan Grayson is an insufferable human being and one of the biggest libs of all

Note that Peter donated to Alan Grayson's 2008 campaign, not the 2010 campaign (you can see it at opensecrets.org). Alan Grayson started blathering about how Republicans who oppose obamacare want to kill sick people in late 2009, so Peter couldn't have known about Grayson's looney rhetoric when he donated in 2008 (and if he donated with the expectation to have a congressman who advances an audit of the Fed then that turned out pretty well, Grayson helped Ron Paul's non-watered-down audit pass the committee).

S.Shorland
01-18-2011, 06:24 PM
A bit of an odd one from Schiff.I think he needs to say hello to the Koch brothers or some other big business organisation.I'm sure not every businessman believes he will survive in a Fascist dictatorship: One word out of place and you're out.Talk to someone big enough to afford principles,Peter.

FreedomRings
01-18-2011, 06:39 PM
Very bad move. It might cost him more in bad PR than it actually raises in funds. Nobody likes donating to a failed campaign after the fact, and just the effort leaves a bad taste. Bob Barr is still trying to raise funds for his 2008 campaign, and I doubt there are many (or any) takers.

As for Grayson, as many have pointed out, Schiff and Grayson are friends. I recall a video where Schiff said half-jokingly that Grayson had made so much money with Schiff's firm that Grayson felt guilty about his own success, and that's why he wanted to help the poor and became a socialist.

EndDaFed
01-18-2011, 06:48 PM
So much for personal responsibility. I guess that is just for the slaves and not those that long for political power.

MRoCkEd
01-18-2011, 07:39 PM
Very embarrassing.

nobody's_hero
01-18-2011, 07:49 PM
So much for personal responsibility. I guess that is just for the slaves and not those that long for political power.

He should not have ended his campaign in debt, but apparently, I missed the brief out-of-body comment he made about 'longing' for power. I can't imagine he'd ever have time to say such a thing when he was constantly talking about how much he hated the fact that he'd have to go to that cesspool that is our nation's capital, and that he was going to spend 6 years there and then get out as soon as humanly possible.

GunnyFreedom
01-18-2011, 07:51 PM
I'll donate a little bit when I get paid again ($20 is about all I can part with). But if I do that, I want Peter to know that I won't be able to donate to any future campaign of his (if, in fact, he is using this as a way to measure support for him in the future). It's nothing personal, here's my rationale:

It is different to say that there are 'politicians who can't win races,' and 'there are races that can't be won.' I won't be so quick to write Peter off as a politician who can't win races. If we had serious debates in this country, he would have been able to mop the floor with the other candidates. But in Connecticut, there are races that can't be won.

It pains me that so far we have seen great candidates in horrible locations. But blame the location, not the candidate. After all, it is the people of those areas who must decide who is electable. The candidates only get one vote for themselves, so they obviously can't do all the work. This isn't like a foot-race where each runner must win on his own merit, with no one there to move his feet for him. It's a fuckin' popularity contest, and the brightest, most-qualified do not always win.

But someone should let Mr. Schiff know that while his attempt was appreciated, he isn't the only one who's gone into debt to support liberty candidates.

To be honest, we went into debt to ourselves (unlike Peter, money we DON'T actually have) to the tune of about $3,500, and we ran in a horrible district (a race that can't be won), outspent $27k to $135k, and actually won. I'm just really really hoping those paychecks start soon or I may have to learn to start eating drywall...

Daamien
01-18-2011, 11:13 PM
Very embarrassing.

It's very unfortunate that he framed the fundraising around retiring existing campaign debt (to himself) rather than marketing it as building a war-chest for a potential 2012 run. I don't think he was well advised in that decision. Regardless, it doesn't cause me to have a diminished opinion of him or his views.

JackieDan
01-19-2011, 04:13 AM
I'm a big fan of Peter, but recently it turned ugly.

I never thought Schiff would end up taking debt due to the fact that he always said that you should not spend money that you don't have. Well, it seems that he demonstrated himself wrong here. From my view, I don't believe he took any debt. Don't you remember before that he said something like "kicking in $500,000" to the campaign from his own pocket?

Besides, the donors didn't only pay him for the campaign, but also phoned banked. A lot of people who actually won the contests never got their books and t-shirts they were promised (including me). I did talk to some eight people via mail if they ever got their books and t-shirts, but none did except for one who was so pissed off that he ultimately called his firm (europac) and yelled at them - by that he finally got them.

Peter Schiff could have announced this issue way back when the campaign was over. Why is he doing it now?

I like the guy, but this was really embarrassing. We want to see him in the Senate, however this announcement was destructive for his personality..

Daamien
01-19-2011, 05:43 PM
I never thought Schiff would end up taking debt due to the fact that he always said that you should not spend money that you don't have. Well, it seems that he demonstrated himself wrong here. From my view, I don't believe he took any debt. Don't you remember before that he said something like "kicking in $500,000" to the campaign from his own pocket?

The debt is owed to himself technically, not a bank or any other individual. He wants to see if supporters will help him recoup some of the losses in preparation of a potential run in 2012 or beyond. I'm not defending him, just explaining.

YumYum
01-19-2011, 06:14 PM
To be honest, we went into debt to ourselves (unlike Peter, money we DON'T actually have) to the tune of about $3,500, and we ran in a horrible district (a race that can't be won), outspent $27k to $135k, and actually won. I'm just really really hoping those paychecks start soon or I may have to learn to start eating drywall...

There is a difference between you and Peter Schiff. He has the means to pay back his debt, apparently you don't. Your supporters will come to your rescue. People trust you. I don't think there is very much trust in Peter anymore.

qh4dotcom
01-19-2011, 07:01 PM
There is a difference between you and Peter Schiff. He has the means to pay back his debt, apparently you don't. Your supporters will come to your rescue. People trust you. I don't think there is very much trust in Peter anymore.

I trust Peter but no more money until he announces another run

Thomas
01-19-2011, 07:54 PM
don't give him any more money for another terribly run campaign!

SilentBull
01-19-2011, 07:59 PM
don't give him any more money for another terribly run campaign!

Let's be fair though. The media COMPLETELY ignored Peter. And still Peter managed to get 23% of the votes in a 3-way race. Only 50% of the voters knew who he was, because the media pretended he wasn't running, and he still got about 50% of the people who knew him to vote for him. I'd say this is pretty damn good, considering...

YumYum
01-19-2011, 08:11 PM
Let's be fair though. The media COMPLETELY ignored Peter. And still Peter managed to get 23% of the votes in a 3-way race. Only 50% of the voters knew who he was, because the media pretended he wasn't running, and he still got about 50% of the people who knew him to vote for him. I'd say this is pretty damn good, considering...

....considering that he has never before run for office. And another thing, why would people vote for someone who preaches that you need to get all your assets out of the United States of America? Peter always struck me that he lives in a condo that he rents, and has his bags packed when TSHTF. Gunny ain't like that. He is here to stick it out with the rest of us. I'd put Gunny in the Senate over anybody else. He is true blue and tested too!!

Badger Paul
01-19-2011, 08:26 PM
It's seems to me that Schiff will only run for public office if people are willing to pay him to do so. Most politicians start a campaign and ask you to kick some money in to help out. A campaign to him isn't so much an idealistic endeavor as it is a product you get when you put your money down. Say what you want about Linda McMahon but at least she doesn't asks for money to pay her campaign debts or ask for money to start a campaign. She just opens her checkbook. Schiff won't do this. Fine, but if this is going to be his attitude, maybe he's better off not running for office of any kind.

Feeding the Abscess
01-19-2011, 10:08 PM
If you lose an election, the debt becomes yours, not the campaign's.

- Ron Paul

Daamien
01-19-2011, 11:09 PM
....considering that he has never before run for office. And another thing, why would people vote for someone who preaches that you need to get all your assets out of the United States of America? Peter always struck me that he lives in a condo that he rents, and has his bags packed when TSHTF. Gunny ain't like that. He is here to stick it out with the rest of us. I'd put Gunny in the Senate over anybody else. He is true blue and tested too!!

A. Rand had also never ran for public office before, so that isn't the sole factor to why the media ignored Peter.

B. Peter now owns a very nice house in Weston, CT.

C. Peter could have quit his campaign when Dodd left the race, when he lost in the convention and had to petition to get on the primary ballot, or when his polling numbers showed him well behind Linda McMahon. Peter stuck in there until the end and threw a lot of his own money into the campaign but wanted it to be more of a grassroots movement similar to how Rand was elected.

Essentially I think you're being way too harsh on Peter.

cubical
01-19-2011, 11:39 PM
I think Peter is a brilliant economist and would be great in office. But as has been said he is not very personable and I believe that is what is holding him back from ever winning any large election. As for the repayment of debt, I agree that it's kind of ugly. To those saying you should never spend money you don't have, he is not even close to doing that. He has the money to pay for that debt tomorrow.

Live_Free_Or_Die
01-19-2011, 11:44 PM
As a non-Schiff, non-Rand supporter I am perplexed at the amount of anti-Schiff posts in this thread. It was not all that long ago this forum had draft Schiff threads, which turned into a private Schiff sub forum, and was a political Schiff bonanza.

Kludge
01-19-2011, 11:50 PM
As a non-Schiff, non-Rand supporter I am perplexed at the amount of anti-Schiff posts in this thread. It was not all that long ago this forum had draft Schiff threads, which turned into a private Schiff sub forum, and was a political Schiff bonanza.

There was a lot of tension before, but there was a lot going on and it wasn't the time for infighting. While campaigns are active, I think most of us would agree it's better to focus on the good things happening and hope it overwhelms whatever/whoever we don't support.

Daamien
01-20-2011, 12:04 AM
There was a lot of tension before, but there was a lot going on and it wasn't the time for infighting. While campaigns are active, I think most of us would agree it's better to focus on the good things happening and hope it overwhelms whatever/whoever we don't support.

True. There was plenty of tension regarding moneybomb dates, Peter's comments regarding Iran, and of course attempting to elect a liberty candidate in a liberal state. For the most part people remained optimistic during the campaign and tried to keep the negativity to a minimum. As they say, hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy to nitpick a losing campaign. I just think the negative comments are getting a bit out of hand and are overtly ad hominem.

itshappening
01-20-2011, 05:35 AM
Schiff did really well against Simmons in the primary (if you take out McMahon's 10's of millions)

Simmons is a former elected official, dont forget

BamaAla
01-20-2011, 06:29 AM
To be honest, we went into debt to ourselves (unlike Peter, money we DON'T actually have) to the tune of about $3,500, and we ran in a horrible district (a race that can't be won), outspent $27k to $135k, and actually won. I'm just really really hoping those paychecks start soon or I may have to learn to start eating drywall...

Don't want to hijack the thread, but can you show me where to donate. P.M. if you like.

Bergie Bergeron
01-20-2011, 08:36 AM
It's crime that this guy got so many "money bombs" when ZERO has been organized for say a Architects for Engineers for 911 truth or a Building What (WTC7) TV campaign.

Schiff has more $$ than he knows what to do with, hard to believe he still has his hand out.
The vast majority of us are not truthers here, sorry.

low preference guy
01-20-2011, 02:41 PM
It's crime that this guy got so many "money bombs" when ZERO has been organized for say a Architects for Engineers for 911 truth or a Building What (WTC7) TV campaign.

Schiff has more $$ than he knows what to do with, hard to believe he still has his hand out.

don't hijack the thread. start a new 9/11 truth fundraising thread if you must talk about your delusions.

Aratus
01-20-2011, 02:44 PM
JIST SAW IT TODAY IN THE NEWs! TEDDY KENNEDY JUNIOR MAY RUN FOR AULD
JOE LIEBERMAN's CONN. SEAT! ...ANd PETER SCHIFF WANTs TO CHUCK an OLD DEBT?

sailingaway
01-20-2011, 02:46 PM
JIST SAW IT TODAY IN THE NEWs! TEDDY KENNEDY JUNIOR MAY RUN FOR AULD
JOE LIEBERMAN's CONN. SEAT! ...ANd PETER SCHIFF WANTs TO CHUCK an OLD DEBT?


LOL!!!

Oh, man. From the ashes. And he'll probably win...

(don't really know that, it is just my opinion of Connecticut majority voters speaking.)

Aratus
01-20-2011, 02:56 PM
peter schiff's timing is succinct and apt.
if the CEO lady wrestler sits this one out,
if the GOP warms up to peter schiff, then
we MIGHT see debates. the late senator's
son has been an investment banker, i believe.
peter schiff and teddy junior can explain the
2008 wallstreet meltdown if they ever debate.
seriously. the Democrats once sent two Dodds
to the senate, and the camelot luster may still
be there, at least enough for a primary run!!!!

Aratus
01-20-2011, 03:01 PM
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mitt romney retired a 42 million dollar debt from 2oo8 with one check.
he's now a GOP front~runner now that ms. sarah palin hath much egg on face.
sometimes life is not totally fair, poor peter schiff was very sat on by the big bucks of
the nice lady wrestler. jerry brown was out!spent much worse. if nice teddy junior runs...
he's a much nicer and politer candidate on the deft left than is A.G jack conway.
in a way, connecticut is like a frugal yankee inverse of good ole kentucky!

Aratus
01-20-2011, 03:08 PM
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scott brown sits in henry cabot lodge junior's old seat.
fancy a president's nephew sitting in joe lieberman's folksy one!
peter schiff, if he wins in the primary, he could pull off a likewise upset.

GunnyFreedom
01-22-2011, 10:22 PM
Don't want to hijack the thread, but can you show me where to donate. P.M. if you like.


Thanks man, the campaign donation site still works, and it ensures that anything and everything put in has State oversight and will only be used for political activity or to retire the debt to ourselves. The link is

http://glenbradley.net/node/17

And thanks again!

libertarian4321
01-23-2011, 04:53 AM
Originally Posted by vita3
It's crime that this guy got so many "money bombs" when ZERO has been organized for say a Architects for Engineers for 911 truth or a Building What (WTC7) TV campaign.

Schiff has more $$ than he knows what to do with, hard to believe he still has his hand out.

There have been fundraisers for "the truth" (as the truthers see it) on these forums, I just don't think most of us care for "the truth" (as the truthers see it) so they haven't raised much money.

vita3
01-23-2011, 06:58 AM
Can you post the fundraising link libertarian4321?

vita3
01-23-2011, 07:05 AM
libertarian4321,

I would think over 80% of folks on this site would believe that the GOV story of 911 is false. Judge Napolitano proved this to us, by showing the 911 Commision is a lie from head to toe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6n2FgwWg7A

Southron
01-23-2011, 08:34 AM
Thanks man, the campaign donation site still works, and it ensures that anything and everything put in has State oversight and will only be used for political activity or to retire the debt to ourselves. The link is

http://glenbradley.net/node/17

And thanks again!

You should really post this on your forum. I really didn't know you had any campaign debt left or I would have already helped.