How will this cold fusion clean energy breakthrough effect politics in the USA?

[nocompromises]

Here is an article which details how scientists have built a working cold fusion device and did a demonstration a few days ago. This is apparently not a prototype, but an "industrial product" that has heated a "factory" for two years and reduced it's electric bill by 90%. The product outputs around 8 times the energy that is input.

http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/

Italian inventor, Andrea Rossi, claims to have an industrial product ready to manufacture that produces large amounts of energy reliably, safely, and much cheaper than coal or natural gas power. It utilizes the fusion of hydrogen and the common element nickel at relatively low temperatures.

What's even more interesting is this cold fusion heater utilizes ordinary hydrogen and nickel which are very common and cheap. Apparently, 1 gram of nickel could power this device for months.

How would a device like this alter politics?

For example, it could take the "carbon trading" issue out of the debate.

[Legend1104]

The owners will probably be killed and the blue prints destroyed.

[jmdrake]

The owners will probably be killed and the blue prints destroyed.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/10/11/128997930798958410.jpg

It's harder to do that these days thanks to the internet. (Killing the owners is easy. Suppressing the tech is not). They will probably try to suppress it in the public consciousness by the tyranny of the "science" academies. But cold fusion works. It has worked for some time now. You can build it in your garage.

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/index.htm

[fisharmor]

The article had one thing mostly right:

Our judge is the market. In this field the phase of the competition in the field of theories, hypothesis, conjectures etc etc is over. The competition is in the market. If somebody has a valid technology, he has not to convince people by chattering, he has to make a reactor that work and go to sell it, as we are doing.

This is the way it could be, but it's not totally there. Unfortunately the article also says:

Radiation is produced. However in the device demonstrated which is made for commercial use no radiation escapes due to lead shielding. The fact that radiation is produced is proof of a nuclear reaction.

Now, if there was a way for individuals to get their hands on these units and play with them, then the market would speak, and pretty damned quickly.
Unfortunately, they said the R word, which means that individuals will never get these.

So we haven't even gotten to answer questions like how is it getting the hydrogen and nickel (which aren't free and requires an energy input which probably isn't accounted for in the article), we've already killed the market's ability to be the judge. It is immediately tied to state control.

From there, you either invite the state further into your homes and places of business in order to get these heating units - assuming they ever allowed such a thing - which means regular inspections and probably a new state agency and bureaucracy and electronic monitors that are plugged into the state control grid -
or, we're stuck with these only being at state facilities. Perhaps someone will be clever enough to figure out that something that uses steam can be hooked into a turbine and produce our power, but that won't happen for 20 years.

If it's real (and I'm not sold), then the single biggest benefit we can hope for is that our landscape will stop getting scarred by those fucking hideous windmills.

[robertwerden]

I love seeing photographs of scientists claiming free energy standing next to a contraption no bigger than a tool box, when in reality the cold fusion experiments that are being carried out by reputable scientist have experiments that encompass areas the size of a football field.

Anytime one of these stories pops up do a google search for the scientists name. It is very eye opening to see the lack of credentials and the number of horseshit websites that are talking about it.

99.999% of the time it is a scam artist who has convinced a home brew wanna be inventor to bring his unproven, pseudoscience invention to the free energy community to make a few bucks from uninformed investors. The call to legitimate media to do a short story on the potential break through only fuels the investors to part with their money because a news article somehow represents legitimacy.

[torchbearer]

It's harder to do that these days thanks to the internet. (Killing the owners is easy. Suppressing the tech is not). They will probably try to suppress it in the public consciousness by the tyranny of the "science" academies. But cold fusion works. It has worked for some time now. You can build it in your garage.

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/index.htm

If you haven't seen this movie yet, you should take the time to see it:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/

Astronaut Sam Bell has a quintessentially personal encounter toward the end of his three-year stint on the Moon, where he, working alongside his computer, GERTY, sends back to Earth parcels of a resource that has helped diminish our planet's power problems.

http://www.marty.com.au/images/stories/scifi/Moon_sci-fi_Sam_Rockwell_Lunar-Industries.jpg

[TNforPaul45]

Here is an article which details how scientists have built a working cold fusion device and did a demonstration a few days ago. This is apparently not a prototype, but an "industrial product" that has heated a "factory" for two years and reduced it's electric bill by 90%. The product outputs around 8 times the energy that is input.

http://pesn.com/2011/01/17/9501746_Focardi-Rossi_10_kW_cold_fusion_prepping_for_market/

Italian inventor, Andrea Rossi, claims to have an industrial product ready to manufacture that produces large amounts of energy reliably, safely, and much cheaper than coal or natural gas power. It utilizes the fusion of hydrogen and the common element nickel at relatively low temperatures.

What's even more interesting is this cold fusion heater utilizes ordinary hydrogen and nickel which are very common and cheap. Apparently, 1 gram of nickel could power this device for months.

How would a device like this alter politics?

For example, it could take the "carbon trading" issue out of the debate.

Cold fusion and perpetual fusion devices have been the snake oil of pseudo scientists for a hundred years now. Three scenarios usually occur:

1. They make these claims but never quite show up at the press conference to demonstrate it.
2. See #1
3. They die mysteriously before they ever make a claim publically and their family goes into abrupt seclusiom for the rest of their lives.

[erowe1]

How would a device like this alter politics?

My money is on:
It won't alter politics because it's a fraud. As far as I can tell, the only reason we have for thinking a cold fusion device exists is that it's purported inventor says so.

[steph3n]

Just add a little tin foil to a microwave and you have coldfusion! that is what I got out of that video.

[Bern]

"...Professor Sergio Focardi and Eng. Andrea A. Rossi, both of the University of Bologna..."

I lol'd.

[nocompromises]

Just add a little tin foil to a microwave and you have coldfusion! that is what I got out of that video.

No, it is not.

In this device you place nano nickle powder in a tube, pressurize it with hydrogen gas, turn on a resistor that provides input heat in the device, and the result is a fusion reaction.

[Zippyjuan]

Well, trying to find out more info, the only place you can read about this "discovery" is a blog page discuised as a Journal- "The Journal of Nuclear Physics" which is apparently run by Rossi and Focardi- the publishers of the "experiment". http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=66 No other scientific publications mention it. This does not lend credibility to the "discovery".

The Board of Advisors for the Journal of Nuclear Physics:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?page_id=2

Advisers
The Journal will publish papers, in the areas of interest, without charge.

All papers will be reviewed by our scientific council to ensure scientific rigor and compliance with copyright law.

Publications will not be corrected and will be published “as received” in chronological order of receipt.

The authors are solely responsible for the contents of their papers.

BOARD OF ADVISERS:


Prof. Sergio Focardi (INFN – University of Bologna – Italy)Prof. Michael Melich (DOD – USA)
Prof. Alberto Carnera (INFM – University of Padova – Italy)
Prof. Giuseppe Levi (INFN – University of Bologna – Italy)
Prof. Pierluca Rossi (University of Bologna – Italy)Prof. Luciana Malferrari (University of Bologna – Italy)
Prof. George Kelly (University of New Hampshire – USA)
Prof. Stremmenos Christos (Athen University – Greece)

[tangent4ronpaul]

If it works, regulations will immediately be put in place so that only major corporations / power companies could possibly afford to comply and pass the inspections and licensing requirements. The big boys will remain in control and energy will remain expensive.

Declining our reliance on foreign oil would be the only upside and would change our foreign policy. We would stop having endless wars over black slippery stuff and start having endless wars over other resources, like rare earth metals. This would be a slight geographic shift, nothing more.

Gotta keep those bomb factories running at full capacity, don't ya know...

-t

[libertyjam]

What is mistakenly called Cold Fusion is likely Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR)
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/35/SR35919twodecades.shtml
http://newenergytimes.com/index.shtml

China Lake, SPAWAR Naval Research Labs, Mitsubishi Heavy industries experiments prove Cold Fusion works and is probably LENR
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7168

Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles; published in Naturwissenschaften highly respected Science Journal June 2007
http://www.springerlink.com/content/75p4572645025112/

[tangent4ronpaul]

Well, trying to find out more info, the only place you can read about this "discovery" is a blog page discuised as a Journal- "The Journal of Nuclear Physics" which is apparently run by Rossi and Focardi- the publishers of the "experiment". http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=66 No other scientific publications mention it. This does not lend credibility to the "discovery".

The Board of Advisors for the Journal of Nuclear Physics:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?page_id=2

Use google scholar, not google when looking for scientific information. These two scientists show up a fair amount in patents, proceedings and scientific journals.

-t

[Koz]

If it's real (and I'm not sold), then the single biggest benefit we can hope for is that our landscape will stop getting scarred by those fucking hideous windmills.

+1, think of the birds.

If this is real, both parties will want to outlaw it. It takes thier power away from them.

[oyarde]

I love seeing photographs of scientists claiming free energy standing next to a contraption no bigger than a tool box, when in reality the cold fusion experiments that are being carried out by reputable scientist have experiments that encompass areas the size of a football field.

Anytime one of these stories pops up do a google search for the scientists name. It is very eye opening to see the lack of credentials and the number of horseshit websites that are talking about it.

99.999% of the time it is a scam artist who has convinced a home brew wanna be inventor to bring his unproven, pseudoscience invention to the free energy community to make a few bucks from uninformed investors. The call to legitimate media to do a short story on the potential break through only fuels the investors to part with their money because a news article somehow represents legitimacy.

Jeesh , if you do not want to invest in my projects , just say so .. : )

[Ninja Homer]

How would a device like this alter politics?

Good question. Another is, "what would people do if they could easily have unlimited off-grid power?" And another, which has almost the same answer... "why would the government want to suppress it?"

If it works, they'll try to suppress it. No doubt about it. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Suppression

Yes, if we had a free market, and this worked, everybody would know about it and it would be making lots of money for somebody. What many people here seem to forget at times is that we haven't had a free market in a very long time, and corporate interests have a very big influence on the government, especially when it comes to big oil & energy. Read this page and decide for yourself if energy inventions have been suppressed: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Suppression

[buenijo]

No, it is not.

In this device you place nano nickle powder in a tube, pressurize it with hydrogen gas, turn on a resistor that provides input heat in the device, and the result is a fusion reaction.

If it is that simple, then it is easily repeatable. In other words, if this technology is legitimate, then there is no way to suppress it. Therefore, if we don't see this on the market soon, then it's reasonable to conclude that it was BS from the start.

Take a healthy dose of skepticism, and call me in the morning.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Dang! - this stuff is more available and cheaper than I thought...

http://www.advancedmaterials.us/28MN-0001.htm

http://compare.ebay.com/like/310248791616?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&rvr_id=199988180231&crlp=1_263602_309572&UA=%3F*F%3F&GUID=1e28e62a12d0a0b943d46e04ffffc384&itemid=310248791616&ff4=263602_309572

-t