Senators Propose To Make Bath Salt Illegal

[Bruno]

http://www.wapt.com/r/26513109/detail.html

Bureau Of Narcotics: Bath Salt Considered As New Street Drug

JACKSON, Miss. -- Authorities said Sunday a new drug that can be bought in stores is circulating the streets of Mississippi.

This new drug, known in the streets as "ivory wave" or "scarface," is actually a form of bath salt, authorities said.

The director of the Mississippi Bureau of Narcotics, Marshall Fisher, said the drug has gained popularity in the coastal and northeast part of the state. It can be snorted, injected or smoked, authorities said.

Senate leaders said they have already proposed a bill to get this new street drug off the store shelves.

If passed, possession and use of this bath salt will have similar penalties as marijuana and heroin, the senators said.

[Brett85]

Senate leaders? Mcconnell?

[pcosmar]

Wow,
That is a real news paper.
Unbelievable. I thought it was a spoof. Some of their other stories are almost as stupid.

[Keith and stuff]

It seems pretty clear that this is a state thing and the article is talking about state people.

[Chester Copperpot]

There is no information in the article nor in the video (which is only 24 seconds long) relating which senate or senators are supposedly involved.. is it the federal senate? the mississippi state senate?

we dont have any info.

But if it is the feds we should call everybody... everybody here knows this isnt constitutional.. so they need to take their new "discovered" oath for real.

[torchbearer]

they just banned bath salts in louisiana.
so now i have friends who are creating the stuff in the kitchens for the black market.
funny how words on piece of paper in baton rouge don't make the stuff disappear.

[Chester Copperpot]

It seems pretty clear that this is a state thing and the article is talking about state people.

yeah on double checking I have to agree with you

[Brett85]

It seems pretty clear that this is a state thing and the article is talking about state people.

True. I didn't read it right.

[specsaregood]

So what are the effects? It gets you high? Snorting salt?

[pcosmar]

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[Bruno]

It seems pretty clear that this is a state thing and the article is talking about state people.

I just posted the title verbatim, sorry for any misunderstanding.

[pcosmar]

Ok. So I went looking.
Seems this is more blowback from the War on Drugs. There is acctually something to this story.
(I don't get out much)

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/011411-legal-%E2%80%98bath-salts%E2%80%99-drug-alarms-doctors
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/01/drug-trend-snorting-bath-salts/

And this is apparently the stuff.
http://ivory-wave.com/
And sold here
http://am-hi-co.com/

Bizarre,,,but not unexpected.

[Bruno]

Ok. So I went looking.
Seems this is more blowback from the War on Drugs. There is acctually something to this story.
(I don't get out much)

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/011411-legal-%E2%80%98bath-salts%E2%80%99-drug-alarms-doctors
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/01/drug-trend-snorting-bath-salts/

And this is apparently the stuff.
http://ivory-wave.com/
And sold here
http://am-hi-co.com/

Bizarre,,,but not unexpected.

Thanks for sharing that additional info!

[torchbearer]

So what are the effects? It gets you high? Snorting salt?

it looks like coke, has effects like meth.
the dosage is very important. it only requires a minute amount of bath salts to get desired effect. most kids are doing lines of it and ending up in the hospital or mental ward.

so, the overlords ban meth, the dealers bring in more dangerous bath salts.
they ban manufactured bath salts, now they get the even more dangerous home-made bath salts

[specsaregood]

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[pcosmar]

Had to look it up. Curiosity got the best of me.

Damn , I'm old. I remember a time when we got pure Pharmaceutical Methamphetamine (Not biker crank, not the Meth of today) by the Kilo. Packaged it up and sold it at truck stops.

There was quality in those days.

[Icymudpuppy]

What kind of bath salts are we talking about here? The only kind I'm familiar with is Magnesium Sulfate, which is also known as Epsom Salt, and is typically used as a soaking relief for sore muscles, cramps, and swollen joints. If those are illegal, they'll have to close every natural geothermic hot spring in the country!

[tuco.sargent]

I had a friend once tell me that salt would become a precious commodity if the apocalypse ever happened and the markets went completely into the ground. More than likely because of it's usage to season and preserve food. Guess the legislators in Miss. think that it ought to be a precious black market commodity now.......

[specsaregood]

Had to look it up. Curiosity got the best of me.
Damn , I'm old. I remember a time when we got pure Pharmaceutical Methamphetamine (Not biker crank, not the Meth of today) by the Kilo. Packaged it up and sold it at truck stops.
There was quality in those days.

Not many people had weight problems back then did they?

[torchbearer]

Sounds like fun. You happen to know what they are made of? What the active ingredient causing the high is?

i can list you the ingredients as listed on "cloud 9"
epsom salt, sodium chloride, amino acid blends, naturally occurring trace elements and minerals, and a proprietary blend of water softeners.

not for human consumption.

no active ingredient listed as it is made to go into your bath water and it claims no medicinal benefit from doing so. (though you may feel very invigorated)

[amy31416]

i can list you the ingredients as listed on "cloud 9"
epsom salt, sodium chloride, amino acid blends, naturally occurring trace elements and minerals, and a proprietary blend of water softeners.

not for human consumption.

no active ingredient listed as it is made to go into your bath water and it claims no medicinal benefit from doing so. (though you may feel very invigorated)

Soooo...magnesium sulfate, sodium chloride (table salt), amino acids (often sold as nutritional supplements--esp. in body-building)--seems like this would be easy enough to make at home with little danger--in fact, I have all those ingredients here.

I can't imagine having an urge to smoke/snort or inject it though. Sounds like it'd be tough to have a ban on it when grandma loves this stuff...though for a while, didn't they try to ban morning glories and poppies?

[torchbearer]

Soooo...magnesium sulfate, sodium chloride (table salt), amino acids (often sold as nutritional supplements--esp. in body-building)--seems like this would be easy enough to make at home with little danger--in fact, I have all those ingredients here.

I can't imagine having an urge to smoke/snort or inject it though. Sounds like it'd be tough to have a ban on it when grandma loves this stuff...though for a while, didn't they try to ban morning glories and poppies?

If grandma can't get her bath salts, the ban will be lifted.
not sure if they are including epsom salt in the ban. guess i need to find out what is now considered legal bath salts and illegal bath salts. it may have everything to do with the packaging and location of sale.

[robmpreston]

Unless I'm missing something, it's not like it's regular bath salts, it's some stuff sold as bath salts that contains this chemical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

[torchbearer]

Unless I'm missing something, it's not like it's regular bath salts, it's some stuff sold as bath salts that contains this chemical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

that would be it then. 4 times the potency of meth.
it may be more potent than that. and that is why people are getting severely fucked up by it. they are doing way too much of it. they are overdosing on it.

instead of banning it, they should look at its potential as a weight lose drug. in an adult environment with doctor support and knowledge, along with precision dosage. the chemical could be a benefit.

[Anti Federalist]

Unless I'm missing something, it's not like it's regular bath salts, it's some stuff sold as bath salts that contains this chemical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

That's got to be it.

Snorting alkali metal based, naturally occurring salts, (sodium chloride, magnesium sulfate, calcium bromide and such) will not get you "high".

[amy31416]

Unless I'm missing something, it's not like it's regular bath salts, it's some stuff sold as bath salts that contains this chemical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

That makes a lot more sense, thanks.


That's got to be it.

Snorting alkali metal based, naturally occurring salts, (sodium chloride, magnesium sulfate, calcium bromide and such) will not get you "high".

You know this how? :p

[Brian4Liberty]

Unless I'm missing something, it's not like it's regular bath salts, it's some stuff sold as bath salts that contains this chemical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone


Reported modalities of intake include oral consumption, insufflation, smoking, rectal and intravenous use.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuCeHUxoBY

[Brian4Liberty]

This new drug, known in the streets as "ivory wave" or "scarface," is actually a form of bath salt, authorities said.


This line would be completely wrong then. It is not a bath salt. That's just what they are calling it to sell it openly.

Does it go good with "purple drank"?

[pcosmar]

That's got to be it.

Snorting alkali metal based, naturally occurring salts, (sodium chloride, magnesium sulfate, calcium bromide and such) will not get you "high".

Nope, but could it be that these otherwise "harmless" compounds and ingredients produce this drug when ingested.??

Regardless, The fact remains, humans have been getting high from the beginning of time. Make it illegal and someone will make a profit providing it.

[Anti Federalist]

Had to look it up. Curiosity got the best of me.

Damn , I'm old. I remember a time when we got pure Pharmaceutical Methamphetamine (Not biker crank, not the Meth of today) by the Kilo. Packaged it up and sold it at truck stops.

There was quality in those days.

LolZ - Some acetone reduced "biker meth" would approach pharmaceutical grade compared to the bathtub poison that's out there now.

Typical government, "gotta kill us to keep us safe..."

Reminds me of the program during prohibition to deliberately poison industrial ethyl alcohol so people wouldn't drink.


Frustrated that people continued to consume so much alcohol even after it was banned, federal officials had decided to try a different kind of enforcement. They ordered the poisoning of industrial alcohols manufactured in the United States, products regularly stolen by bootleggers and resold as drinkable spirits. The idea was to scare people into giving up illicit drinking. Instead, by the time Prohibition ended in 1933, the federal poisoning program, by some estimates, had killed at least 10,000 people.

Although mostly forgotten today, the "chemist's war of Prohibition" remains one of the strangest and most deadly decisions in American law-enforcement history. As one of its most outspoken opponents, Charles Norris, the chief medical examiner of New York City during the 1920s, liked to say, it was "our national experiment in extermination." Poisonous alcohol still kills—16 people died just this month after drinking lethal booze in Indonesia, where bootleggers make their own brews to avoid steep taxes—but that's due to unscrupulous businessmen rather than government order.

http://www.slate.com/id/2245188/

[Anti Federalist]

You know this how? :p

No, little miss smarty pants, not because I've tried it.











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[oyarde]

Alright , who was the first person who thought to snort this " bath salts " ? And , what was going through the mind when that happened ?

[Corydoras]

The fact remains, humans have been getting high from the beginning of time. Make it illegal and someone will make a profit providing it.

Make it illegal and someone will tweak a few atoms and sell a different chemical.
The Wall Street Journal did an article about this:
In Quest for 'Legal High,' Chemists Outfox Law (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704763904575550200845267526.html?m od=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read#printMode)
The guy's lab is still online.

[Anti Federalist]

Alright , who eas the first person who thought to snort this " bath salts " ? And , what was going through the mind when that happened ?

From the article Corydoras posted:


Police also hear about new drugs from emergency rooms. This summer, a hospital in northwestern England phoned local police after six people in a single week reported taking something called "Ivory Wave." They came to the hospital "paranoid and extremely agitated," with extremely fast heart rates, says cardiologist Kate Willmer, who helped treat them. It took four members of staff to restrain one young woman, who was eventually sent to a mental institution, where she is still being treated, Dr. Willmer said.

James Brokenshire, minister for crime prevention at the U.K.'s Home Office, says police are encouraging hospitals to keep them informed about new drug threats. Law-enforcement agencies also monitor Web sites for signs of new drugs, and are stepping up visits to head shops to keep track of what's being sold. Most sellers of legal highs advertise them as "plant food," "pond cleaner" or "bath salts" not meant for human consumption, as a legal figleaf to protect them from any liability

[Ethek]

Autistic children with susceptibilities to phenol transferal deficiency. Most phenols are good for people but kids with autism are overly succeptable to being negativly affected by them. Bath salts help neutralize this! Way to go Congress.

Almost as great as the campaign/tax banning tanning in a nation with chronically low vitamin D

Most people could probably benefit from these 'illegal to advertise' pros of using bath salts.

"It’s important to know the signs of phenol intolerance, or poor processing of phenols. These reactions (unlike food intolerances) come on pretty quickly, typically 20 minutes to 2 hours after consumption. Some of the most common include: hyperactivity, fatigue, inappropriate laughter, red cheeks and ears, aggression, self-injurious behavior, impatience, poor sleeping habits, headaches, and poor neuro-muscular function. However, be aware that many of these can be signs of other imbalances."

http://www.healthfulliving.org/autism/sulfation/$