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qh4dotcom
01-15-2011, 07:37 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congressman_shot_victim_arrested

aGameOfThrones
01-15-2011, 07:49 PM
One of the comments from the story lol:



Let’s see:

1. The killer was an outcast loner in school. That’s how Obama described himself in his autobiography.

2. The Killer did drugs. So did Obama.

3. The Killer was intensely pre-occupied with socialist/revolutionary literature. So was Obama, by his own admission in his autobiography.

4. The killer was at odds with his own father. So was Obama.

5. The killer never held a conventional job in his life. Neither has Obama.

Not only does the killer sound like a socialist, but it sounds like he bears an awful lot of similarities to the most well-place socialist in America.

We need to know who Obama is, too. Big time. Obama needs to release his citizenship records TODAY.~ Starz N' Stipez

qh4dotcom
01-15-2011, 11:10 PM
One of the comments from the story lol:

Ha Ha Ha

Promontorium
01-16-2011, 01:00 AM
The rhetoric claiming there was rhetoric has caused what it claimed was caused.

Something significant about that. This has stopped being your average psycho killing spree.

college4life
01-16-2011, 01:02 AM
here is where q4dotcom is right, why should we risk our lives to save someone so bitter and anti-freedom like this? he will never be converted obviously.

I never condone violence, but we should take care of ourselves and not sacrifice our minds and bodies for those who want to steal from us.

TheDriver
01-16-2011, 01:24 AM
Did some crazy kid send the left over the edge? I think Olbermann needs an evaluation, asap! Ed, too!

DamianTV
01-16-2011, 03:26 AM
One of the comments from the story lol:

So the ones that manage to either hold off on killing people, or cover them up well enough so they dont even get accused, or worse, suspected, eventually make it into office so they can commit murders by ordering someone else to "git 'er done!"...

Aratus
01-16-2011, 11:20 AM
the guy who got upset over the remark was a navy vet. the scene of the shooting
was hellish. the house and senate did not go back to business as usual because many
of our public servants think that the rhetoric on both sides needs to be really toned
down. this is fulsomely part of the greater tragedy. as a nation we are sensing there
is not a simple answer. gun control advocates are going to demand a 10 bullet limit
per clip as tea party people are going to say as sarah palin did that it truely was not
campaign rhetoric hyperbole that impelled the shooter to do what he did. the very issue
of insanity in arizona has guilty and insane as a verdict, where incarceration in a mental
hospital can precede the serving out of the full sentence. if the poor navy vet is showing
a reaction like combat fatigue given where he was that tragic day, lets all now be a support
system rather than just only caustic from a distance. we can debate again the issues of
the day at our leisure. we do know that our Bill of Rights will survive this national tragedy.
i now praise barack obama's speech as i also do not at all slam away on poor sarah palin.
yes, i am more used to my own states gun control laws, yet there are few states amoung
the ones with the stricter laws that ultimately could have prevented that shooter from
purchasing a firearm. simply flunking out of a community college or posting online short
of being banned or being banned by its lonesome clearly would not have blocked him from
buying a gun nor ought we to demand these two things as a criteria. case in point, another
thread here mentioned a string of very hostile phone calls the shooter had made in the two
years before the Congress on the Corner event. had the local police articulated out that
the 22 year old had made the phone calls he did, as they researched his background, we
then have puzzle pieces falling into place. until he did what he did, on the surface he looked
like a supporter of hers, not a stalker, and then we must ask if he waited until the poor judge
went to the rally, for he clearly took a cab to the rally rather than walking. the speeding ticket
at 7:30 in the morning indicates he had no intention of sleeping in, let alone the satchel found
full of ammunition. lets now place ourselves in the proverbial shoes of the ex-navy guy who was
seeing the coverage of all this, as each new piece of knowledge gets commented on. the local
police are going to look very lax, even with the basic assumption that there are few restraints
on gun ownership in arizona. someone with a military mind seeks a direct answer rather than
ten or a hundred hypothetical answers. hense the outburst in full impatience. the feeling that all
around one or immediately wear "lead britches" is a familiar one to many ww2 veterans over the
years, and this in the past alternates with the gripes about a commander immediately over them
who once was way too demanding. the poor navy vet feels he looked on the face of hell. he got
upset as the show being taped got very theoretical and abstract in his mind. he had his outburst...

sailingaway
01-16-2011, 11:38 AM
here is where q4dotcom is right, why should we risk our lives to save someone so bitter and anti-freedom like this? he will never be converted obviously.

I never condone violence, but we should take care of ourselves and not sacrifice our minds and bodies for those who want to steal from us.

"First they came for the Jews and I was silent because I wasn't Jewish....." do you know that speech?

The point of liberty is it has to be for all, or it is never going to cover the 'unpopular' and the 'disruptive' will always be 'unpopular' even when 'disrupting' is merely dissent, and the power of 'disruption' comes from the truth of the dissent. This is why the ACLU defends the KKK and neoNazis etc. If we don't speak out when those we don't like are treated unfairly we are saying rights only belong to those people like. We aren't saying rights have to be a given for all.

pcosmar
01-16-2011, 11:42 AM
Same guy in this interview.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7234358n&tag=related;photovideo

Something doesn't seem right with this guy.

sailingaway
01-16-2011, 11:45 AM
Same guy in this interview.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7234358n&tag=related;photovideo

Something doesn't seem right with this guy.

Who knows, maybe the guy really DOES need psychological evaluation, but does the govt have the right to order it when he has done no harm to anyone?

pcosmar
01-16-2011, 11:59 AM
Who knows, maybe the guy really DOES need psychological evaluation, but does the govt have the right to order it when he has done no harm to anyone?

Nope, But I suspect that he was Anti-Gun long before this incident. He is said to be a veteran (cook/clerk ?).
Makes me wonder who he is, what brought him to that event, etc.
And his name is James Eric Fuller, (3 names) but he goes by Eric Fuller,
Just a curiosity.

Aratus
01-16-2011, 12:03 PM
he was shot in the leg. he's upset. enuff said.

QueenB4Liberty
01-16-2011, 12:17 PM
The rhetoric claiming there was rhetoric has caused what it claimed was caused.

Something significant about that. This has stopped being your average psycho killing spree.

Yep.

charrob
01-16-2011, 12:17 PM
Nope, But I suspect that he was Anti-Gun long before this incident. He is said to be a veteran (cook/clerk ?).
Makes me wonder who he is, what brought him to that event, etc.
And his name is James Eric Fuller, (3 names) but he goes by Eric Fuller,
Just a curiosity.

earlier today i read Fuller was a navy pilot when he served. He also was a volunteer who helped out in Gifford's office; he stated in an interview a few days ago that he felt Palin, Beck, et al. finally got their way with 2nd amendment activism.

the tea-party guy who was speaking had previously defended Palin, Beck, et al. and when he stood up was defending 2nd amendment rights.

Fuller who had been wounded by a bullet to the back and a bullet to the knee last saturday stood up, took his picture, and stated "you're dead".

question: how is this any worse than Jesse Kelly asking supporters to donate $50 in order to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target" and help "remove Gabrielle Giffords."? (In this case real M16's were used.)

If all this language is harmless and supposedly "symbolic", how is one any less symbolic than the other?

And why is it okay for police to involuntarily force Fuller into a psychiatric unit while they not do the same for Jesse Kelly?

pcosmar
01-16-2011, 12:31 PM
question: how is this any worse than Jesse Kelly asking supporters to donate $50 in order to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target" and help "remove Gabrielle Giffords."? (In this case real M16's were used.)

If all this language is harmless and supposedly "symbolic", how is one any less symbolic than the other?

And why is it okay for police to involuntarily force Fuller into a psychiatric unit while they not do the same for Jesse Kelly?

As I have said, I am observing. "Standing on the Moon"

But to your question.
Having a fund raising event, and directly threatening someone are 2 different things.
And as I understand, Giffords was supportive of 2nd amendment positions.

That said, i do not agree with the examination. Either charge him with a crime and have a trial, or don't.

There is a lot of focus on "Guns" being the evil here. And calls for more Control.
I think Pharmaceutical Drugs and the Psychiatric Industry are the greater threat.

That is the Dangerous Animal that needs a leash.

AGRP
01-16-2011, 12:39 PM
"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." - Barack Obama

charrob
01-16-2011, 12:40 PM
As I have said, I am observing. "Standing on the Moon"

But to your question.
Having a fund raising event, and directly threatening someone are 2 different things.
And as I understand, Giffords was supportive of 2nd amendment positions.

That said, i do not agree with the examination. Either charge him with a crime and have a trial, or don't.

There is a lot of focus on "Guns" being the evil here. And calls for more Control.
I think Pharmaceutical Drugs and the Psychiatric Industry are the greater threat.

That is the Dangerous Animal that needs a leash.



Jesse Kelly asked supporters to donate $50 in order to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target" and help "remove Gabrielle Giffords."
"Your dead."


The second statement above could be considered as symbolic as the first to "shoot a fully automatic M16 and help remove Gabrielle Giffords".

imho the issue is that both statements can be considered politically symbolic, and should be treated the same by law enforcement.

pacelli
01-16-2011, 12:45 PM
Same guy in this interview.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7234358n&tag=related;photovideo

Something doesn't seem right with this guy.

Totally agreed, and in fact something doesn't seem right with the whole situation. Also notice his use of the "dream-like" repeater phrase which the media has been parroting based on the alleged shooter's "conscience dreaming" phraseology in the supposed-videos.

The more information comes out about this whole situation, the less I am inclined to believe.

pcosmar
01-16-2011, 12:55 PM
Jesse Kelly asked supporters to donate $50 in order to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target" and help "remove Gabrielle Giffords."
"Your dead."


The second statement above could be considered as symbolic as the first to "shoot a fully automatic M16 and help remove Gabrielle Giffords".

imho the issue is that both statements can be considered politically symbolic, and should be treated the same by law enforcement.

The first one is a misrepresentation headline and a Democrat talking point.

He did promote a political rally. "Get on target for victory in Novenber" "Help defeat Gabrielle Giffords"
The "Shoot an M16" for $50 was the fund raiser.
Of course the anti-gun nuts are twisting and spinning it. just as they did Palin's "Get on Target" ads.

Those have nothing to do with the shooter being a Democrat supporter or a confused individual.

A man standing up in public and stating directly "You're Dead" Is different. That is a direct threat.

Aratus
01-16-2011, 01:36 PM
he needed to be talked to.
whether the threat was only
spur of the moment or worse.
he was arrested. he was shot
in the back and the knee and
is still inside the incident in his
mind. his outburst is unfortunate.

angelatc
01-16-2011, 01:46 PM
The first one is a misrepresentation headline and a Democrat talking point.

He did promote a political rally. "Get on target for victory in Novenber" "Help defeat Gabrielle Giffords"
The "Shoot an M16" for $50 was the fund raiser.
Of course the anti-gun nuts are twisting and spinning it. just as they did Palin's "Get on Target" ads.

Those have nothing to do with the shooter being a Democrat supporter or a confused individual.

A man standing up in public and stating directly "You're Dead" Is different. That is a direct threat.


Absolutely. But my gut reaction would have been to say "Bring it on, bitch." I'm not ever going to be the one who throws the first punch, but neither will I confuse civility with surrender.

pcosmar
01-16-2011, 01:57 PM
he needed to be talked to.
whether the threat was only
spur of the moment or worse.
he was arrested. he was shot
in the back and the knee and
is still inside the incident in his
mind. his outburst is unfortunate.

Yes, I can understand him being upset.

he was shot
Well sort of. lets keep it in perspective, He was grazed and was hit in the back by a bullet fragment.
He was neither the target nor was he seriously injured.
But that won't stop him from his mission of Gun Control.
He is described as a "well known activist". Well he is active now.

There has in fact been more violence directed at the Tea Party from the other side.
These are the violent people.
Not the ones Open Carrying and speaking against the Present Un-Constitutional Laws.
He just demonstrated that again.

qh4dotcom
01-16-2011, 02:16 PM
here is where q4dotcom is right, why should we risk our lives to save someone so bitter and anti-freedom like this? he will never be converted obviously.

I never condone violence, but we should take care of ourselves and not sacrifice our minds and bodies for those who want to steal from us.

Thanks for agreeing...since I live in a city infested with liberals, I have to assume everyone has this attitude you talked about and therefore I'm not risking my life for any one of them. I'll call 911 and that's about it.

Immortal Technique
01-16-2011, 02:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOMRdUdgCk

Airing Date Jan.16, 2011

"Your Dead": Tucson Survivor Eric Fuller Tells Tea Partier Trent Humphries On ABC This Week

AFPVet
01-16-2011, 02:51 PM
The guy who got upset over the remark was a Navy vet. the scene of the shooting was hellish. The House and Senate did not go back to business as usual because many of our public servants think that the rhetoric on both sides needs to be really toned down.

This is fulsomely part of the greater tragedy. as a nation we are sensing there is not a simple answer. gun control advocates are going to demand a 10 bullet limit per clip mag—as tea party people are going to say as Sarah Palin did that. It truly was not campaign rhetoric hyperbole that impelled the shooter to do what he did. The very issue of insanity in Arizona has guilty and insane as a verdict, where incarceration in a mental hospital can precede the serving out of the full sentence.

If the poor Navy vet is showing a reaction like combat fatigue given where he was that tragic day, lets all now be a support system rather than just only caustic from a distance. we can debate again the issues of the day at our leisure. We do know that our Bill of Rights will survive this national tragedy.

I now praise Barack Obama's speech as I also do not at all slam away on poor Sarah Palin. yes, I am more used to my own states gun control laws, yet there are few states among the ones with the stricter laws that ultimately could have prevented that shooter from purchasing a firearm.

Simply flunking out of a community college or posting online short of being banned or being banned by its lonesome clearly would not have blocked him from buying a gun nor ought we to demand these two things as a criteria. case in point, another
thread here mentioned a string of very hostile phone calls the shooter had made in the two years before the Congress on the Corner event.

Had the local police articulated out that the 22 year old had made the phone calls he did, as they researched his background, we then have puzzle pieces falling into place. until he did what he did, on the surface he looked like a supporter of hers, not a stalker, and then we must ask if he waited until the poor judge went to the rally, for he clearly took a cab to the rally rather than walking.

The speeding ticket at 7:30 in the morning indicates he had no intention of sleeping in, let alone the satchel found full of ammunition. lets now place ourselves in the proverbial shoes of the ex-Navy guy who was seeing the coverage of all this, as each new piece of knowledge gets commented on.

The local police are going to look very lax, even with the basic assumption that there are few restraints on gun ownership in Arizona. someone with a military mind seeks a direct answer rather than ten or a hundred hypothetical answers. hence the outburst in full impatience. the feeling that all around one or immediately wear "lead britches" is a familiar one to many WW2 veterans over the years, and this in the past alternates with the gripes about a commander immediately over them who once was way too demanding.

The poor Navy vet feels he looked on the face of hell. He got upset as the show being taped got very theoretical and abstract in his mind. He had his outburst...

Still, he should not have made such an outburst.

college4life
01-16-2011, 03:36 PM
yes q4, I find your position refreshing. The way I see it most of my labor is already stolen because they want something for nothing, and then I'm supposed to save them too? Ha.

MelissaWV
01-16-2011, 04:17 PM
Just a point to note:

It seems that, if you read the account of what happened and when, the guy wasn't carted off for "evaluation" until he tangled with the police and said something about them being sons of whores or somesuch. I am thinking that's the big difference between the two events spoken about throughout the thread.

I do find it distressing that someone like this is "obviously disturbed" and carted away, but the kiddo who actually did the shooting was never stopped by any of those who, in hindsight, say he was "obviously disturbed."

Nate-ForLiberty
01-16-2011, 04:32 PM
Just a point to note:

It seems that, if you read the account of what happened and when, the guy wasn't carted off for "evaluation" until he tangled with the police and said something about them being sons of whores or somesuch. I am thinking that's the big difference between the two events spoken about throughout the thread.

I do find it distressing that someone like this is "obviously disturbed" and carted away, but the kiddo who actually did the shooting was never stopped by any of those who, in hindsight, say he was "obviously disturbed."

people weren't paying attention before. and eventually they won't be again.