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AlexMerced
01-15-2011, 11:58 AM
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January 2011 Newsletter


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- The Discussion about Money and the Gold Standard


The Discussion about Money and the Gold Standard
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After an appearance on the Stephen Colbert show by Ron Paul, the gold standard has once again become the topic of debate in the media with the media being on the side of hard money being a relic of the past. The irony is that if you pitch ideas shown to work to an extent in the past such as the gold standard they accuse the idea of being antiquated but if you suggest a new ideas such repealing legal tender laws and breaking the money monopoly they say the ideas are untested and risky. If you can’t use old ideas or new ideas then you’re just stuck with the status quo.

On top of the quick dismissal is the infusion of disinformation about what gold standard advocates are advocating and why they are advocating it so I thought I’d take a moment to discuss the mainly misconception so that way liberty advocates can educate that much better. Below are a list of common questions and statements and responses for them to further educate yourself on Gold and Monetary Policy I have created a video playlist you can check out at http://Gold.IntrotoLiberty.com


Didn’t the Gold Standard cause the depression?

What happened is that there were large gold outflows not only from the US but from many countries to France because the French central bank did not print new money as more gold entered their coffers to prevent the inflation from the incoming gold. Although, because of this central bank intervention the balance of payments adjustments never occurred exacerbating the outflow of gold. This was not caused by the gold standard but by the actions of central banks and if anything this makes the case for abolishing central banks not the gold standard because at the same time in the mid twenties the federal reserve had kept interest rates very low fueling the stock market bubble that triggered the recession that paired with balance of payment problems made for tough economic times.

Even without the gold standard we see that central banks fuel similar stock market bubbles as we see the tech stock bust back in 2000 or how central banks cause balance of payments problems when we see the interaction of the Chinese central bank pegging their currency to the US dollar causing inflation in China and moral hazard in the US as people don’t feel the inflation since china is voluntarily taking the hit allowing them to believe that inflation is not down the road. No matter how you look at it, major economic events such as the great depression are much more related to central banking that to any hard money standard.



Is there enough Gold?

There is no ideal amount of gold, this assumes that you must have enough gold to price everything at their current prices. There is no reason this is necessary, prices would adjust to the supply of gold that is available so instead a good suit costing a high dollar amount it’d cost maybe 3-5 dollars depending on how much gold is represented by each dollar. This is no different now to how stuff gets more expensive when there is more money because the supply/demand relationship has changed.



Gold won’t fix the economy

The Intention of a gold standard is not to fix the economy but to restrain intervention so the economy can fix itself. If money is going to be a monopoly good supplied by governments than there must be mechanism to restrain monopoly behavior such as increasing the cost (Taxes) while decreasing the quality (inflation) of the good, and a hard money standard is that mechanism.

In an ideal world we’d abolish the monopoly altogether and having competing forms of legal tender which can be issued by governments and privately issued. While some currencies may be hard money some may be fiat, in a competitive market the incentive for monopoly behavior would not exist and it would allow individuals to diversify their monetary portfolio.


It’s inconvenient to carry gold

No one would actually carry gold coins these days, and neither did people back in the day. People used money substitutes (dollars) to purchase goods and today we use plastic cards which are even more convenient and in a world of competing currencies converting the appropriate amount would be as simple as swiping a card similar to when you vacation in foreign countries.



VIDEO OF THE MONTH:
Financial Regulations - Economic Mobility, Too Big to Fail, and Competing Regulators - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlcMqRtToFk

AlexMerced
01-16-2011, 12:10 PM
A Couple of additional counter arguments from those who've responded to me

- Yes there was a economic episode in 1873 when they RETURNED to the gold standard after the civil war, post-war statistics always look worse even if the economy is better off cause of the drop in military spending and also there is always an episode during a drastic change in monetary systems, for example after the second US bank was not re-chartered there was episode but mainly cause people save more during big economic changes plus the huge increase int he money supply when jackson moved the government coffers into commercial banks from the central bank.

- Yes, many of the economic episodes slowed down after 1933 which is the year we went off the gold standard, but this is also the Year FDIC is put into place which is a much plausible reason for the reduction in banking panics. If depositors feel their deposits are safe they don't rush to withdraw, although this then makes it easier for bank to take more risk.

- The panics between 1873-1933 are mainly results of branching restrictions, canada at the time did not have the branching restriction nor the frequent panics.

Golding
01-16-2011, 12:14 PM
I think a good one for people to have in that list is "What is the intrinsic value of gold?" I was talking gold standard with someone who was legitimately willing to give it a listen, and they asked that when I was unprepared for it. Truth be told, gold is as useless as paper is at its core. It's a luxury as jewelry, but realistically it isn't used for food or medicine or anything fundamentally essential.

When we argue paper's inherent uselessness, the real point we're missing out on is that gold's value is in its scarcity.

1000-points-of-fright
01-16-2011, 12:27 PM
Gold and silver only enter into it because of the constitution so it's a natural place to start but the argument isn't really about a gold or silver standard. It's about having some kind of standard, any kind of standard at all, for our currency! Right now we don't and you know what happens when you have no standards? Everything you do sucks.

Dreamofunity
01-16-2011, 12:54 PM
Competing currencies please. From there you can personally choose to go on the gold standard, I may not.

hazek
01-16-2011, 01:30 PM
You people are insane. I'm sorry to be so blunt but if you expect to fight propaganda with facts and get different results then in the last 100 years you truly are out of your mind.


Facts are irrelevant. All that matters is how the general public FEELS about fiat money and how they FEEL about the gold standard.


Obviously right now people feel happy with their fiat money and because of the propaganda feel they'd be unhappy with a gold standard. If you want to change that you need to first make them see and realize the pain they suffer because of fiat money in the past, present and the future and if and only if this pain becomes too much to bare they'll look for something else and that's when you can present the gold standard with positive reinforcing emotions!

Every other attempt, especially appealing to reason is like pissing into the wind. Read: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?272747-We-Need-to-Change-Our-Strategy-for-Influencing-or-Converting-Others-(New-Short-Version!)
to learn why.

hazek
01-16-2011, 01:31 PM
Competing currencies please. From there you can personally choose to go on the gold standard, I may not.

Wrong.

BarryDonegan
01-16-2011, 04:33 PM
Competition in currencies should be the policy goal, though a vast majority of consumers would likely pick a 1:1 gold-reserve backed bank for their daily banking business in such a situation, where wealthy people might choose a riskier bank with higher reserves.

If the gold standard is created via government force, you do run the risk of having problems with bimetalism.

Competition in currency = gold standard for most, riskier reserves for the few who want to roll the dice for bigger returns and, when the investments fail, that money vanishes from the money supply.

'Tis the best possible system, and we could use an algorithm-based introconvertible standard to make this whole situation work at retail counters.

Market-set interest rates are the way to go. A government-run gold standard is somewhat better than a government-run pure fiat system, but both are inferior to a market-set currency system determined by voluntary action among banking consumers and currency users.

Dreamofunity
01-16-2011, 05:19 PM
Wrong.

Wow, you've convinced me.

hazek
01-16-2011, 06:18 PM
Wrong.Wow, you've convinced me.

Ok. I am going to write this up in a separated thread when I get to it but here's why you are wrong. If you read the post before the one you quoted and if you read the thread I linked in that post you'd realize that facts don't matter when it comes to what the masses want.

So my argument is that until we figure out a way to eliminate MSM's propaganda a true competition currencies market is not possible because the special interests are always going to manipulate the public in their own favor through propaganda. I agree competing currencies is the answer but only if you have a honest media which provides the desperately needed transparency so people can make the best decisions.

So our focus shouldn't be on how things work but rather on why people support them.

BarryDonegan
01-16-2011, 06:57 PM
I don't think it matters what the MSM says anymore. The internet has killed TV news to some extent, and it is only going to get worse as more people get internet TVs and can enjoy on-demand content.

Soon people will be way more interested in competing currencies, and the market is about to reject the concept of central banking.

It's going to happen by legislation or by technology... or both, but it will happen in time.

hazek
01-16-2011, 07:35 PM
Oh how I wish that was true.

AlexMerced
01-17-2011, 06:28 PM
(Yes most people don't listen to the facts, they listen to the talking heads who sound like they are right the most, so knowledge and confidence in saying it is what will make people feel like we're right despite them not paying attention to the facts, the facts do help our confidence and ability to communicate)

Economic Downturns & Money

In this series of videos Alex Merced intend to explain different views on the relationship of money with the economic downturns in history. In this series of videos there will also be an overview of the tenure of the gold standard from 1873-1933 helping explain the economic environment, the downturns, and the relationship it had with the gold standard if any.

Part 1 - Why is the Money Supply Important? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjZVbN8fhms

Part 2 - Economic Downturns during the Gold Standard - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AkxOhreia8

Part 3 - Narratives on the Great Depression - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tHRJtPmPwA

Part 4 - Conclusions on the Gold Standard - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YFE7cBChL8



Resources for Further Information:

Doug Irwin on the Great Depression and the Gold Standard - http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2010/10/irwin_on_the_gr.html

George Selgin on the Federal Reserve - http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2010/12/selgin_on_the_f.html

Charles Calomaris on the Financial Crisis - http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2009/10/calomiris_on_th.html

Why You never heard of the Great Depression of 1920 by Tom Woods - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czcUmnsprQI

The Great Depression by Robert Murphy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgB1Rrr0KZs

Milton Friendman Explains the Role of Gold in the Depression - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7pnjzCuSv8

The Great Depression Myth with Miton Friedman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyQsIGLt_w

Interpreting the Great Depression: Hayek vs. Keynes by Robert Skidelsky - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQgnNOwJoo

Deflation and Liberty by Jorg Guide Hulssman - http://mises.org/books/deflationandliberty.pdf

Americas Great Depression by Murray Rothbard - http://mises.org/rothbard/agd.pdf

The Great Depression - Mises vs. Fisher - http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae11_3_5.pdf

Denationalization of Money by F.A.Hayek - http://mises.org/books/denationalisation.pdf

Money, Sound and Unsound by Joseph Salerno - http://mises.org/books/sound_money_salerno.pdf

William R
01-17-2011, 06:31 PM
bump

AlexMerced
01-17-2011, 09:16 PM
bump thanks, all the resources I post in that last post are vital to seeing the heart of this debate.