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JoshLowry
01-13-2011, 06:46 PM
145
Click to enlarge and remove pixelation.

Thanks Awake (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?19850-awake)!

QueenB4Liberty
01-13-2011, 06:49 PM
That's great! Thanks awake!

kah13176
01-13-2011, 06:52 PM
Looks better than the current one.

low preference guy
01-13-2011, 06:52 PM
great!

for comparison purposes... could you remove the red lines and post a copy?

Pericles
01-13-2011, 06:52 PM
One thumb up

sailingaway
01-13-2011, 06:54 PM
Um.

Change is evil.

And we still don't have the old smiley faces back yet.... *grump*

Awake's work, as always, is terrific. Speaking constructively, I'd prefer less curlicues and a bit more tree. Liberty Forest seems subsumed.

Is this what you meant about the new one being temporary due to the campaign coming with a new look?

anaconda
01-13-2011, 07:00 PM
Lovely.

HazyHusky420
01-13-2011, 07:10 PM
A pyramid and an eye would have been funny.

ctiger2
01-13-2011, 07:12 PM
Very Nice!

AGRP
01-13-2011, 07:14 PM
A challenger appears.

Natalie
01-13-2011, 07:16 PM
//

Matt Collins
01-13-2011, 07:18 PM
Very talented work.

IMHO I prefer the current one though.

Cherder
01-13-2011, 07:19 PM
I'd like to see a more clear picture of Ron Paul on the logo. It kinda makes him look like he has died and become an angel... :(

purplechoe
01-13-2011, 07:20 PM
Very talented work.

IMHO I like the current one though.

I agree...

hazek
01-13-2011, 07:24 PM
Me likey.

Dissident
01-13-2011, 07:26 PM
Great work Awake.

It's hard to beat the current logo though. The only suggestion I have for the current logo is to remove the white stroke around the text and perhaps it bolder.

paulitics
01-13-2011, 07:26 PM
I like it better than the current one, but maybe a tad more tree and it will be perfect. Nice job.

Bruno
01-13-2011, 07:26 PM
Awake never ceases to amaze!

MRoCkEd
01-13-2011, 07:28 PM
Looking good.

Any thoughts on scrapping the forest and becoming plain old Ron Paul forums again?

HOLLYWOOD
01-13-2011, 07:43 PM
Oh, Can we have a Flash Version... say starts out with a fade in to a row of Stars that come into the screen and encircle Ron Paul's head? Like the same motion of CGI of 3d Stars that Paramount Studios do with the opening of their movies halo the mountain. Maybe do a little motion around the screen, then a halo above Ron's head spinning, then splitting into rows of stars in the background, that set into streaks, like the Japanese sunrise flag's rays from the horizon. That can have all kinds of wild secondary meanings, occult followings, and skull N Bones messaging.

Yeah, I know... I'm one sick Hollywood Tinsel-Town Elborating BeeAtch. ;)

In all serious,
I truly enjoying all the hard work on the artwork/logos... great job.

trey4sports
01-13-2011, 07:44 PM
incredible logo Awake

KevinR
01-13-2011, 07:49 PM
I like it better than the current one!

AGRP
01-13-2011, 07:52 PM
I would remove the "@"

Matt Collins
01-13-2011, 07:55 PM
Oh, Can we have a Flash Version... say starts out with a fade in to a row of Stars that come into the screen and encircle Ron Paul's head?NO! That would slow down everyone's computer.... I often have 20+ RPF tabs open at a time in my browser.


This site needs to be as resource unintensive as possible.

HazyHusky420
01-13-2011, 08:03 PM
Oh, Can we have a Flash Version...

HOLY FUCK NO! FLASH BAD! If anything WebGL or even Silverlight, but no Flash!

Kludge
01-13-2011, 08:27 PM
I like it better than the current one!

+1

I notice it reads "RPFs @ LF" -- Does this mean there will be diff. logos for the diff. forums? Or is there some other structural change about to happen?

RonPaulFanInGA
01-13-2011, 08:42 PM
Looking good.

Any thoughts on scrapping the forest and becoming plain old Ron Paul forums again?

Yeah. Why not ditch the tree for the duration of the (hypothetical) campaign?

Like the 2008 logo:

http://www.topronpaulsites.com/images/ronpaulforums.jpg

TheDriver
01-13-2011, 08:59 PM
Nice!

DamianTV
01-14-2011, 01:13 AM
A Flash Version on the INDEX PAGE ONLY would probably be good.

I like the Tree of Liberty, although it looks like it needs a little "water"...

It would be just a bit better to get rid of the @ symbol, maybe add Stars and Stripes (American Flag) behind Ron somewhere. I'd be tempting to start throwing in all sorts of symbolism and probably make it convoluted, like an Eagle with an Olive Branch, but all in all, I do like it better than our current logo.

Anyone else think we should use that, minor revisions or not, as the new Forum Logo?

BenIsForRon
01-14-2011, 01:44 AM
I like the current logo better.

Next of all, if Ron runs again, do we really want people other than potential volunteers and donors to come here? There is a multitude of material that could be offensive to people from all political stripes.

low preference guy
01-14-2011, 01:46 AM
Next of all, if Ron runs again, do we really want people other than potential volunteers and donors to come here? There is a multitude of material that could be offensive to people from all political stripes.

no. we want RPF traffic to go down!

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 07:19 AM
Next of all, if Ron runs again, do we really want people other than potential volunteers and donors to come here? There is a multitude of material that could be offensive to people from all political stripes.

Of course we want traffic to come here! You saw the spin done on Rand in the election, and Ron in 2008, and we know what is coming for Ron particularly if he catches on as we hope. There needs to be a better source of information than what the media puts out.

Hot Topics exists for a reason.

tangent4ronpaul
01-14-2011, 07:58 AM
Very talented work.

IMHO I prefer the current one though.

I'm going to 4th this.

As to the new one, what's up with the:
structure/building behind Paul?
the red curly things?
and why does Ron have a beard? (well, goatee)

-t

Dreamofunity
01-14-2011, 08:03 AM
Looking good.

Any thoughts on scrapping the forest and becoming plain old Ron Paul forums again?

DEFORESTER! YOU'RE KILLING THE PLANET!


I'm more for minimalist aesthetics, I prefer the current one. I also hate change, I prefer the current one.

reduen
01-14-2011, 09:53 AM
Very nice job Awake! (Seriously..)

I would like to suggest that the tree be more defined and branches be visible. Maybe one branch to represent Campaign For Liberty, one branch for Young Americans For Liberty etc.... I like the concept of showing its roots below ground like the current one has and maybe each root can represent an organization that Ron Paul is associated with also!

I like the current logo best but with the concepts that I described above added, I would probably choose yours.... (You are certainly very tallented..) :)

Thomas
01-14-2011, 10:47 AM
why the blue underline and not red? i prefer the current one though because of the roots and the tree is more defined...

pcosmar
01-14-2011, 10:53 AM
I like. Very nice work. (/jealous)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=145&d=1294965357

Waiting on the announcement.
;)

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 11:19 AM
I already gave my comments, but I would say that at minimum the blue internal line currently in the 'Ron Paul forums' part of the current logo should be in the 'Liberty Forest' part of the new logo. (and I really do think the curlicues detract). My idea would be to more accentuate the forest but in any event, not cut it as some are suggesting. As a purely marketing matter, you don't want to give up the brand loyalty to 'liberty forest', I know I search it to pull the page up, myself. And the forest is us, and suggests Ron's growing support.

Just my two cents, though.

pcosmar
01-14-2011, 11:25 AM
I already gave my comments, but I would say that at minimum the blue internal line currently in the 'Ron Paul forums' part of the current logo should be in the 'Liberty Forest' part of the new logo. (and I really do think the curlicues detract). My idea would be to more accentuate the forest but in any event, not cut it as some are suggesting. As a purely marketing matter, you don't want to give up the brand loyalty to 'liberty forest', I know I search it to pull the page up, myself. And the forest is us, and suggests Ron's growing support.

Just my two cents, though.

I remember when this was the Ron Paul Forum, and there was discussion of continuing after the election as "Liberty Forest".
History repeats.

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 11:28 AM
I remember when this was the Ron Paul Forum, and there was discussion of continuing after the election as "Liberty Forest".
History repeats.

Really? I wasn't there then, I just started getting into it at the end of the campaign (hadn't heard of Ron before that), and I didn't join here until Ron started signalling he might run in 2012. But I thought I saw on the internet where Ron Paul forums was a different forum that was taken over by liberty forest so it wouldn't be abandoned, some time after the campaign, when all the meetups were being dropped in favor of C4L groups. Is that wrong, then?

(As to the meetups, we really have to get those going again. There are things we may not be able to do under the umbrella of C4L.)

pcosmar
01-14-2011, 11:51 AM
Really? I wasn't there then, I just started getting into it at the end of the campaign (hadn't heard of Ron before that), and I didn't join here until Ron started signalling he might run in 2012. But I thought I saw on the internet where Ron Paul forums was a different forum that was taken over by liberty forest so it wouldn't be abandoned, some time after the campaign, when all the meetups were being dropped in favor of C4L groups. Is that wrong, then?

(As to the meetups, we really have to get those going again. There are things we may not be able to do under the umbrella of C4L.)

Nope the name just changed and the focus on all liberty issues and candidates rather than on Ron's Campaign. Many of us have been here all along.
The meet ups would be good to resuscitate.
Grass roots need to spread unhindered. (wild grass here)

Kludge
01-14-2011, 12:02 PM
Thinking about this again, I tried to imagine learning about RP and coming here for the first time.

If I were a Neocon hearing RP give "liberal" talking points, the Red aura would suggest he's a Commie to me.

What if the curls were changed to a shade of blue, and the bar changed to something else?

low preference guy
01-14-2011, 12:21 PM
^agree. get rid of all that red stuff completely (i think removing them might look even better than changing the color).

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 12:25 PM
^agree. get rid of all that red stuff completely (i think removing them might look even better than changing the color).

Red is the GOP color, blue Democrat. I didn't pick them, but in a primary, I think red is a good choice. BUT I think the curlicues are distracting and kind of feminine, actually. (sorry)

Nate-ForLiberty
01-14-2011, 01:42 PM
I really like the new logo. The only point I would raise (and this may be irrelevant or misplaced) is that instead of one tree that possibly symbolizes the Tree of Liberty you have a semi-amorphous foresty top of the trees thing going on. If the purpose is to emphasize Ron Paul then it works well. I always thought that having a tree between the words Liberty and Forest seemed very strong and confident. Maybe a little of that is lost in the new one?


*after further review, I think it might be the emphasis on the light blue color via the horizontal line. This was red before (which of course conveys strength) to baby blue, which conveys....what?

Bern
01-14-2011, 02:04 PM
I like the new logo better than the one currently in the header. Ever since the forum adopted a focus on "liberty forest", it lost a bit of the "Ron Paul" IMO. The new logo really gives Ron his due emphasis IMO.

Nate-ForLiberty
01-14-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm working with limited tools here, but the darker blue works better for me for some reason. I tried making the sky in the back look like a morning sky (more orangish) to symbolize the rising of Liberty. It might work if someone with real skillz like Awake took a shot a that.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_2T0Ya_U4gN8/TTCsc5rrIxI/AAAAAAAAAXs/PlNIawloxf4/logo300-nfl01.jpg

or completely reject these suggestions. I'd be fine with that since I've paid money for Awake's work and not the other way around. :D

(for comparison - the original)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=145&d=1294965357

Romulus
01-14-2011, 02:20 PM
Its a nice logo, but his nose is washed out. If you squint or view it small you can't see his nose. It's a little busy IMHO.

I like the existing logo. Simple, bold and to the point.

Nate-ForLiberty
01-14-2011, 03:37 PM
I've really studied it now and I think that the image of Ron Paul looks freakin' fantastic. Whatever you did to make that really look nice was some awesome work. Keep it! The flip side of that though is that the sleek image of Dr. Paul makes the trees look lame. And I agree that the red circle and swirlies, while a good idea, don't really work. Maybe a different shape or pattern inside the circle would work better. The red color is fine.

About the text, and this has more to do with Josh i guess. Instead of "@ Liberty Forest", how about "The Liberty Forest". "@ Liberty Forest" is a tad bit confusing especially since libertyforest.com and ronpaulforums.com go to the same place. Makes a new user ask, "So which one is it?"

I am more convinced the the logo must contain a single tree. The icon on my bookmarks bar is a single tree. When that guy went on that show and mentioned this place and how impressive our activities were in regards to Rand Paul's election, he said "Liberty Tree Forest." There is something subliminal about it that sticks in the brain.

*To keep Ron Paul the center focus, one option with the tree is to put it dead center and wash it out; increase the transparency of it. This might give the feeling of Dr. Paul 'contemplating with hope' (what i get from the look on his face) the Tree of Liberty, which is us. This would be far more effective than sticking the doc on one side and the tree on the other, with Dr. Paul simply looking at it.

JoshLowry
01-14-2011, 03:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png

Here is another option with some of the input applied.

This is the original wording Awake used as the subscript.

I removed the curlies and greened up the forest a tad.

Also made the highlighting around RP a little less prominent.


Original for comparison:
147

MRoCkEd
01-14-2011, 04:00 PM
I like the picture better, but not the slogan.
And why have a forest at all if you're going to do that?

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 04:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png

Here is another option with some of the input applied.

This is the original wording Awake used as the subscript.

I removed the curlies and greened up the forest a tad.

Also made the highlighting around RP a little less prominent.


Original for comparison:
147

Oh, it's spectacular, and 'Liberty lives here' is a fantastic slogan..... but can we at least keep a SECTION called 'Liberty Forest'? Maybe for the liberty candidates other than Ron? Or for activist projects?

Kludge
01-14-2011, 04:03 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png
Def. prefer this. Red, white & blue are still there, but it looks much more simple, in a good way.


I like the picture better, but not the slogan.
And why have a forest at all if you're going to do that?

And this. I don't know how this could be resolved. RPFs is supposed to be a subforum of Liberty Forest, right?

JoshLowry
01-14-2011, 04:05 PM
but can we at least keep a SECTION called 'Liberty Forest'? Maybe for the liberty candidates other than Ron?

Yep, this is the plan.

Once Ron is done with his public service we will once again move back to a Liberty Forest logo.

Mark, we're one in the same group. The names are interchangeable. I don't think the focus has to be completely on one or the other.

For now, I think it is best if RPF has the spotlight.

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 04:06 PM
I think the grass roots are the 'liberty forest' whether it is in the slogan or not.

It could keep 'Liberty Forest' in the logo then have, separately 'Liberty lives here', but you have to admit that is a compelling slogan.

I like the new one, with the caveats Josh added, above.

Nate-ForLiberty
01-14-2011, 04:09 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png

Here is another option with some of the input applied.

This is the original wording Awake used as the subscript.

I removed the curlies and greened up the forest a tad.

Also made the highlighting around RP a little less prominent.




try the slogan "The Liberty Forest" instead? "Liberty Lives Here" is not effective.

Kludge
01-14-2011, 04:11 PM
I guess it could still make sense. Liberty lives here, liberty represented as a tree. Seeds of liberty, roots of liberty, branches of liberty -- liberty forest.

low preference guy
01-14-2011, 04:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png


it looks better! i like it a lot!

i'm talking about how it looks. i don't have an opinion about the text. either way it's fine from my POV.

i think it's ready to be used NOW.

JoshLowry
01-14-2011, 04:17 PM
I still like "@ Liberty Forest" and may end up using it.

This place is more than Ron Paul as shown during 2009 and 2010.

Bern
01-14-2011, 04:17 PM
try the slogan "The Liberty Forest" instead? ...

I like that idea.

TNforPaul45
01-14-2011, 04:20 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png

THIS is the new logo. Go with it and dont change a thing.

Kludge
01-14-2011, 04:27 PM
I still like "@ Liberty Forest" and may end up using it.

This place is more than Ron Paul as shown during 2009 and 2010.

Could go with a mod of what Nate suggested.

Ron Paul Forums
Liberty Forest
3-4-6
7-6

13 letters on both, though one extra space on RPFs. Shifting order from as logo is now would be more explicitly symbolic of a shift in focus, too. I simply don't like the "@" character appearing on the logo.

TomtheTinker
01-14-2011, 04:30 PM
I think it is pretty awesome.

JoshLowry
01-14-2011, 04:35 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png


http://i.imgur.com/edFsr.png

Interesting...

I've always called this place The Liberty Forest. Never used "The" when referring to it.

Romulus
01-14-2011, 04:35 PM
Much better! I would use 'Liberty Forest' to visually tie the forest image together.

I would also saturate the green more to match the green used in the existing logo. (Do a 50% multiply effect of a solid yellow layer applied to the forest image only and that should do it. :)

MRoCkEd
01-14-2011, 04:36 PM
I like it with Liberty Forest under it.

Bergie Bergeron
01-14-2011, 04:39 PM
I like it with Liberty Forest under it.
Same here.

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 04:45 PM
http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png


http://i.imgur.com/edFsr.png

Interesting...

I've always called this place The Liberty Forest. Never used "The" when referring to it.

But don't lose 'Liberty lives here....'

It deserves to be used somewhere....

JoshLowry
01-14-2011, 04:47 PM
I like it with Liberty Forest under it.Same here.



http://i.imgur.com/ZmHpZ.png

Kludge
01-14-2011, 04:49 PM
^what I want to see for the next two years every time I log in.

MRoCkEd
01-14-2011, 04:54 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ZmHpZ.png

Beautiful.

ClayTrainor
01-14-2011, 05:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ZmHpZ.png

Very NIce!!!!

low preference guy
01-14-2011, 05:26 PM
i also like "Liberty Lives Here". let's use that one wednesdays or something.

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 05:28 PM
i also like "Liberty Lives Here". let's use that one wednesdays or something.

Or as subtext. Or a banner on the home page. Something. It is really compelling.

Nate-ForLiberty
01-14-2011, 05:36 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ZmHpZ.png

Much better without the "the". Maybe a tiny tree between liberty and forest?

Great work!

RCA
01-14-2011, 05:37 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ZmHpZ.png

I like this version too, but the white letters in Liberty Forest are getting drowned out by the stroke. Can you make the letters slightly larger or reduce the stroke a little? Also, how about coloring the red bar the same dark yellow color as the Constitution, thin the black stroke a little around the line and add "scrolls" to the very ends? From the red line up it looks perfect!

low preference guy
01-14-2011, 05:40 PM
I suggest using the "Liberty Lives Here" logo once every three days. If you don't think that's too crazy, this code can do that:



<html>
<head>
<body>
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
var currentTime = new Date()
var day = currentTime.getDate()
if (day%3==0)
document.write("<img src='http://i.imgur.com/exQ0K.png'>") //liberty lives here logo
else
document.write("<img src='http://i.imgur.com/ZmHpZ.png'>") //liberty forest logo
//-->
</script>

</body>
</head>
</html>

low preference guy
01-14-2011, 06:00 PM
bump for the debut of the new logo!

sailingaway
01-14-2011, 06:11 PM
bump for the debut of the new logo!

I thought it was going to be in response to Ron declaring he'd run?

I mean, whenever; I just thought that was the plan.

OOPS!

Just looked up.

Looks great!

RCA
01-14-2011, 06:16 PM
I love the blue stroke! Looks great!

JoshLowry
01-14-2011, 06:22 PM
Thanks for the input everyone. Sorry if I didn't use yours.

Thanks again awake!

low preference guy
01-14-2011, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the input everyone. Sorry if I didn't use yours.

Thanks again awake!

great work. just in case you didn't notice it, one can see the leftmost border of the logo. it's not smooth like it is on the right side. i think it's that light coming behind Dr. Paul that makes it happen. that light is abruptly eliminated at the point where the logo ends and you can see the background.

Matt Collins
01-14-2011, 06:46 PM
It looks good, I still prefer the old one better though. Just my $.02

MelissaCato
01-14-2011, 06:48 PM
I really like the new RPF logo. Much more homee I think. LOL

Ron Paul 2012 !!!!!

MRoCkEd
01-14-2011, 06:49 PM
great work. just in case you didn't notice it, one can see the leftmost border of the logo. it's not smooth like it is on the right side. i think it's that light coming behind Dr. Paul that makes it happen. that light is abruptly eliminated at the point where the logo ends and you can see the background.
Yep, that's my only advice - to fix this.

JoshLowry
01-14-2011, 07:06 PM
Fixed now?

Heimdallr
01-14-2011, 07:13 PM
I like it, but I miss the epic tree :(

MRoCkEd
01-14-2011, 07:26 PM
Fixed now?

Not quite

Anti Federalist
01-14-2011, 07:34 PM
Looks really nice.

I like it.

Good job by all involved.

JasonC
01-14-2011, 07:50 PM
I really like the new logo and think it looks great.

However, and I think I spoke to you about this before, Josh, but I think the forum and our cause would be better served by marketing this website differently. Not much differently, though. I think it would be best to change the name and website to liberty forest and get rid of the mentions of ron paul in the logo and site title completely. A site called Ron Paul Forums would mostly just attract people who like Ron Paul, but a site called Liberty Forest would attract people interested in liberty. IMO, I think Ron Paul should be dropped completely (I love Ron Paul so don't get the wrong idea about me) from the site name and logo. It's all about getting the message out there, and I think you could market this site to attract more people than just the Ron Paul fanatics (more visitors is more money for you, too :) ). Some people who are interested in liberty may see the site and dismiss it as a bunch of Ron Paul nutbags.

With that said, I still love the site and thanks for providing it for us.

klamath
01-14-2011, 08:17 PM
Didn't open this thread until I saw the new logo. Like it a lot!

DirtMcGirt
01-14-2011, 08:34 PM
Very talented work.

IMHO I prefer the current one though.

I agree with The Collins... I would bust the new one out only on special occasions; when he announces his run, day of a debate, important speech, fund raising day,etc...

rprprs
01-14-2011, 08:35 PM
Ok, late to the party and probably way over-thinking this, but I just had to add my .02 cents here.

While I'm not a big fan of the "curlicues", I do prefer having "something" on the lower left. To me, the current incarnation is off balance. Ron's "truncated" shoulder combined with the upper case "R" make the vertical plane too starkly deliniated and sharp on the left. ('Vertical plane' isn't the correct term but, hopefully, you know what I mean.)

I also prefer the blue line as in the below. Oh, and I prefer @ Liberty Forest, too.;)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_2T0Ya_U4gN8/TTCsc5rrIxI/AAAAAAAAAXs/PlNIawloxf4/logo300-nfl01.jpg

Bruno
01-14-2011, 11:08 PM
Final version looks amazing, love the new look. Nice artwork, Awake, thanks! :)

low preference guy
01-15-2011, 12:42 AM
Fixed now?


Not quite

Josh, this is how you can fix it: open the original photoshop image. change the canvas size to increase the width at both sides. then again save the image as a png.

increasing the width at the left side will ensure that the fading away of the light is included, so it doesn't end abruptly. increasing it at the right side ensures that the logo looks centered on the webpage.

Bern
01-15-2011, 08:02 AM
Looks great now. I got no complaints or suggestions.

JasonC
01-15-2011, 04:46 PM
I guess noone agrees with me, eh?

low preference guy
01-15-2011, 04:47 PM
Fixed now?


I guess noone agrees with me, eh?

no. many of us are proud of Ron Paul. no need to hide his name.

Eric21ND
01-15-2011, 05:37 PM
I love it, well done!

JasonC
01-15-2011, 05:40 PM
You misunderstood my post. I am extremely proud of Ron Paul. I was just speaking of marketing the ideas and news we talk about to a larger audience and a way I think we could accomplish that.

Kregisen
01-15-2011, 05:42 PM
I really like the new logo and think it looks great.

However, and I think I spoke to you about this before, Josh, but I think the forum and our cause would be better served by marketing this website differently. Not much differently, though. I think it would be best to change the name and website to liberty forest and get rid of the mentions of ron paul in the logo and site title completely. A site called Ron Paul Forums would mostly just attract people who like Ron Paul, but a site called Liberty Forest would attract people interested in liberty. IMO, I think Ron Paul should be dropped completely (I love Ron Paul so don't get the wrong idea about me) from the site name and logo. It's all about getting the message out there, and I think you could market this site to attract more people than just the Ron Paul fanatics (more visitors is more money for you, too :) ). Some people who are interested in liberty may see the site and dismiss it as a bunch of Ron Paul nutbags.

With that said, I still love the site and thanks for providing it for us.

With the 2012 presidential run, there will be literally millions of people googling his name. We want them to find this site.

AFTER 2012 we can get rid of RPF and just call the whole thing Liberty Forest.

JasonC
01-15-2011, 05:47 PM
With the 2012 presidential run, there will be literally millions of people googling his name. We want them to find this site.

AFTER 2012 we can get rid of RPF and just call the whole thing Liberty Forest.

Very good point. I agree 100%.

HOLLYWOOD
01-15-2011, 06:10 PM
I like Liberty Forest better until Ron decides to run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Tree

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/1774_lynching.jpg
The Sons of Liberty tarring and feathering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering) a tax
collector underneath the Liberty Tree

The Liberty Tree (1646–1775) was a famous elm tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_tree) that stood in Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston), near Boston Common (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Common), in the days before the American Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution). The tree was a rallying point for the growing resistance to the rule of Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) over the American colonies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Colonies). In the years that followed, almost every American town had its own Liberty Tree—a living symbol of popular support for individual liberty and resistance to tyranny. In some locales, a Liberty Pole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Pole) rather than a tree served the same political purpose.

History of the original tree
In 1765 the British government imposed a Stamp Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Act_1765) on the American colonies. It required all legal documents, permits, commercial contracts, newspapers, pamphlets, and playing cards in the American colonies to carry a tax stamp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_duty). Because the Act applied to papers, newspapers, advertisements, and other publications and legal documents, it was viewed by the colonists as a means of censorship, or a "knowledge tax," on the rights of the colonists to write and read freely.

The summer of 1765 in Boston was marked by militant citizens demonstrating against the Stamp Act. On August 14, 1765, a group of men calling themselves the Sons of Liberty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty) gathered in Boston under a large elm tree at the corner of Essex Street and Orange Street near Hanover Square to protest the hated Stamp Act. The Sons of Liberty concluded their protest by lynching two tax collectors in effigy from the tree. From that day forward, the tree became known as the "Liberty Tree." The tree was often decorated with banners and lanterns. Assemblies were regularly held to express views and vent emotions. A flagstaff or pole was raised within the Tree's branches and when an ensign (usually yellow) was raised, the Sons of Liberty were to meet.
When the news of the Liberty Tree spread throughout the colonies, local patriots in each of the 13 colonies formed a Sons of Liberty group and identified a large tree or erected a pole to be used as a meeting place. In those times, holding an unauthorized assembly was dangerous business that carried threats of imprisonment or death. The casual appearance of a group chatting beneath a tree was much safer.
In the years leading up to the war, the British made the Liberty Tree an object of ridicule. British soldiers tarred and feathered (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering) a man named Thomas Ditson, and forced him to march in front of the tree. During the siege of Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Boston), about the last day of August 1775, a party of Loyalists led by Job Williams defiantly cut the tree down in an act of spite, knowing what it represented to the colonists, and used the tree for firewood. This act only further enraged the colonists. As resistance to the British grew, flags bearing a representation of the Liberty Tree were flown to symbolize the unwavering spirit of liberty. These flags were later a common sight during the battles of the American Revolution.
For many years the remnant of the tree was used as a reference point by local citizens, similar to the Boston Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boston_Ston&action=edit&redlink=1), and became known as the "Liberty Stump." Later the citizens in many of the colonies erected a Liberty pole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_pole) in commemoration of the Liberty Tree.

20th Century remembrance
In October 1966, the Boston Herald began running stories pointing out that the only commemoration of the Liberty Tree site was a grimy plaque on a building three stories above what is now the intersection of Washington and Boylston Streets. Reporter Ronald Kessler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Kessler) [1] (http://www.ronaldkessler.com/) found that the plaque, a block east of Boston Common, was covered with bird droppings and obscured by a Kemp’s hamburger sign.
No one in the area had even noticed the site “where America was born.” Local guidebooks did not mention it.
Kessler persuaded then Massachusetts Gov. John A. Volpe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Volpe) to visit the site. A photo of Volpe examining the plaque from a fire engine ladder appeared on page one of the October 6, 1966 edition of the Boston Herald.
Volpe promised to preserve the site, and eventually the Boston Redevelopment Authority created a handsome bronze bas relief replica of the liberty tree and installed it in a small plaza on Boylston Street at Washington Street. The plaque bears the inscription "Sons of Liberty, 1766; Independence of the Country, 1776."

Other Liberty Trees
Other towns designated their own Liberty Trees as well. The Liberty Tree in Acton, Massachusetts, was an elm tree that lasted until about 1925. In 1915, knowing that the Liberty Tree was getting older, Acton students planted the Peace Tree, a Norway Maple that still stands today.
In the 1990s, some Acton school children again gathered to plant the Freedom Tree. This tree, a London Plane tree, was planted the same week that Apartheid ended in South Africa.
The Arbres de la liberté ("Liberty Trees"), inspired by the American example, were a symbol of the French Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution), the first being planted in 1790 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790) by a pastor of a Vienne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienne) village, inspired by the 1765 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1765) Liberty Tree of Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston). One was also planted in front of the City Hall of Amsterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam) on 4 March 1795, in celebration of the alliance between the French Republic and the Batavian Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavian_Republic).
İn 1798 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1798), with the establishing of the short-lived Roman Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic_%2818th_century%29), such a tree was also planted in Rome's Piazza delle Scole (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Piazza_delle_Scole&action=edit&redlink=1), to mark the legal abolition of the Roman Ghetto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Ghetto) (which was, however, re-instated with the resumption of Papal rule).

Aside from the concrete tree, the term "Tree of Liberty" is associated with Thomas Jefferson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson)'s quotation, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Kregisen
01-15-2011, 06:37 PM
Very good point. I agree 100%.

I just checked, Liberty Forest is on page ONE when googling 'ron paul'. :) Can't wait until the primaries start up and all kinds of new people register.

amy31416
01-15-2011, 06:48 PM
Looks really good. Thumb's up to Awake.

Kludge
01-15-2011, 09:03 PM
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georgiaboy
01-17-2011, 04:42 PM
really really nice work! love it! glad the swirlies were removed. clean and classy.

Romulus
01-17-2011, 05:16 PM
really really nice work! love it! glad the swirlies were removed. clean and classy.

x2.. well refined.