More death and hypocrisy

[Anti Federalist]

As the regime's frontman leads the nation in sorrowful retrospection and piously announces his disapproval at the violence and killings, the regime's killbots continue on, unabated.

Hey, Don’t Bug Me Unless I Am Killing 50 or More Innocents

Posted by Lew Rockwell on January 12, 2011 11:15 AM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/75191.html

Under the Bush regime, the president had to approve any Predator or other bomber attack likely to kill 29 or more civilians. Obama—the opponent of violent rhetoric and violent acts (by non-government officials)—has raised the number to 50. (Thanks to Travis Holte)

http://www.zcommunications.org/how-many-civilian-deaths-are-acceptable-by-tom-hayden

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/28/us-drone-attacks-no-laughing-matter

[oyarde]

As the regime's frontman leads the nation in sorrowful retrospection and piously announces his disapproval at the violence and killings, the regime's killbots continue on, unabated.

Hey, Don’t Bug Me Unless I Am Killing 50 or More Innocents

Posted by Lew Rockwell on January 12, 2011 11:15 AM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/75191.html

Under the Bush regime, the president had to approve any Predator or other bomber attack likely to kill 29 or more civilians. Obama—the opponent of violent rhetoric and violent acts (by non-government officials)—has raised the number to 50. (Thanks to Travis Holte)

http://www.zcommunications.org/how-many-civilian-deaths-are-acceptable-by-tom-hayden

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/28/us-drone-attacks-no-laughing-matter

Yes and that determination of target is currently made by Pakistan Ministry of Interior .

[GunnyFreedom]

As the regime's frontman leads the nation in sorrowful retrospection and piously announces his disapproval at the violence and killings, the regime's killbots continue on, unabated.

Hey, Don’t Bug Me Unless I Am Killing 50 or More Innocents

Posted by Lew Rockwell on January 12, 2011 11:15 AM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/75191.html

Under the Bush regime, the president had to approve any Predator or other bomber attack likely to kill 29 or more civilians. Obama—the opponent of violent rhetoric and violent acts (by non-government officials)—has raised the number to 50. (Thanks to Travis Holte)

http://www.zcommunications.org/how-many-civilian-deaths-are-acceptable-by-tom-hayden

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/28/us-drone-attacks-no-laughing-matter

Sorry man, but in relation to the above news...this had to be said:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI

[Anti Federalist]

Unification of ‘Church’ and State

Posted by Lew Rockwell on January 12, 2011 09:23 AM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/75171.html

It’s dangerous and disturbing when a political leader seeks to be a religious figure. When Obama had his “moment of silence” at the government White House over the Arizona killings, he was flanked by government flags in that odd and ominous triangular fold. Tonight he is playing the clergyman at a government-designed memorial service, right after he praised Sheriff Robespierre.

The ancient world is an esoteric model for such people—when the State was a god. They seek always to displace God, and claim His attributes for themselves, especially when they wage war. Thus the Rev. Obama, who orders, perhaps over his ham and eggs, the deaths of people every day. Some are the allegedly guilty, condemned by him as judge, jury, and executioner in a dictator’s kangaroo court. Others are innocents, even by his calculation: their blasted-apart bodies are called “collateral damage” by the blasters. This is murder, pure and simple. Government officials are not exempt from the natural law, as much as they hate it. And this is the official who will lecture us tonight on the evil of violence.

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry man, but in relation to the above news...this had to be said

It took 15 minutes to load the first 40 seconds or so...

Is it as creepy as I think it is?

Gah...

[BamaAla]

It took 15 minutes to load the first 40 seconds or so...

Is it as creepy as I think it is?

Gah...

Not to get off topic, but yes; it is amongst the creepiest things one will see today.

As for your original topic, it makes me wonder where all the rabid anti-war people that were around under Bush have gone?

[Anti Federalist]

Not to get off topic, but yes; it is amongst the creepiest things one will see today.

As for your original topic, it makes me wonder where all the rabid anti-war people that were around under Bush have gone?

I've been wondering that myself, quite a bit actually.

But like 50 percent of the "Tea Party" that loves W, it's all about being on the "winning team".

Maybe Obama's order to keep Gitmo open will knock a few more off the fence.

[oyarde]

Unification of ‘Church’ and State

Posted by Lew Rockwell on January 12, 2011 09:23 AM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/75171.html

It’s dangerous and disturbing when a political leader seeks to be a religious figure. When Obama had his “moment of silence” at the government White House over the Arizona killings, he was flanked by government flags in that odd and ominous triangular fold. Tonight he is playing the clergyman at a government-designed memorial service, right after he praised Sheriff Robespierre.

The ancient world is an esoteric model for such people—when the State was a god. They seek always to displace God, and claim His attributes for themselves, especially when they wage war. Thus the Rev. Obama, who orders, perhaps over his ham and eggs, the deaths of people every day. Some are the allegedly guilty, condemned by him as judge, jury, and executioner in a dictator’s kangaroo court. Others are innocents, even by his calculation: their blasted-apart bodies are called “collateral damage” by the blasters. This is murder, pure and simple. Government officials are not exempt from the natural law, as much as they hate it. And this is the official who will lecture us tonight on the evil of violence.

Well , I will go one further . Since we are not determing targets , we really have how much info on if targets are legitimate as Pakistani Ministry of Interior says ? I can usually sort through the reports after and determine . Uh after is probably not the ideal way ...

[wizardwatson]

This is sick.

I assumed civilians were dying from these strikes, I never knew they have a "civilian casualty threshold" before they notify Secretary of Defense/President. What's sicker is that anything below that is decided by lower downs I suppose.

Not only do we fight illegally and unconstitutionally, we fight cowardly and at the expense of innocent life.

This country has no honor.

[GunnyFreedom]

It took 15 minutes to load the first 40 seconds or so...

Is it as creepy as I think it is?

Gah...

Creepier. Creepier in spades. That video was one of the creepiest things i have ever seen in my life, and I saw it back during the campaign and it made me want to vomit. Teachers are doing this garbage to our children. I blew a fuse way back when, now I'm just kinda numb to it.

[Anti Federalist]

Creepier. Creepier in spades. That video was one of the creepiest things i have ever seen in my life, and I saw it back during the campaign and it made me want to vomit. Teachers are doing this garbage to our children. I blew a fuse way back when, now I'm just kinda numb to it.

Good god...well, my net connection is so lousy I probably won't be able to see the whole thing until I get home and maybe that's a good thing.

My ration of WTF is pretty much used up as well.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Sorry man, but in relation to the above news...this had to be said:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI

:gag:

Jesus Christ, Gunny, I had that blotted from my memory for a reason. Poor kids. I hope, with all my heart, they can grow up beyond 'Spread hope & happiness' and realize they were used as propaganda. Otherwise, someday in the future people will be looking on that video the same way we look at Triumph of the Will (not that we don't already...but just sayin).

[GunnyFreedom]

:gag:

Jesus Christ, Gunny, I had that blotted from my memory for a reason. Poor kids. I hope, with all my heart, they can grow up beyond 'Spead hope & happiness' and realize they were used as propaganda. Otherwise, someday in the future people will be looking on that video the same way we look at Triumph of the Will (not that we don't already...but just sayin).

Sorry again, I knew it would be ugly.

But your post is right on point, which is exactly why I wanted the vid attached to Obama's raising the innocent murder threshold for Presidential notice from 25 to 50. Obama's gonna change it alright. :mad: Between these kidvids and the Nobel Peace Prize, every ounce of this hypocrisy needs to see the full glaring light of day. :mad:

[Pericles]

:gag:

Jesus Christ, Gunny, I had that blotted from my memory for a reason. Poor kids. I hope, with all my heart, they can grow up beyond 'Spread hope & happiness' and realize they were used as propaganda. Otherwise, someday in the future people will be looking on that video the same way we look at Triumph of the Will (not that we don't already...but just sayin).

I consider that a great motivational video for weapons cleaning. For me the connection is to this:

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn)

[oyarde]

I consider that a great motivational video for weapons cleaning. For me the connection is to this:

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
— Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn)

Nice quote , I do not think I have read that before .

[j6p]

In response to the video above

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg

[GunnyFreedom]

In response to the video above

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg

LOL I hope you don't expect to find anybody here who is going to defend Bush?

In any case, yeah that video was creepy too, but I don't think it was as creepy as Obamakids -- in the Bush video, everybody knew that they were using a cardboard cutout to "focus their energies" lol. The creepiest thing about the Bush video was that lady breaking out into tongues over a cardboard cutout haha.

I got the feeling from the Bush video that the Christiankids were blessing Bush because he was the President, while in the Obamakids video, they were worshiping Obama because he was Obama. That alone makes the Obama video way creepier. The Christiankids were doing what they did because the Christian faith teaches that certain blessings should go to our President and our leaders. The Obamakids worship was going to Obama because, well, it's Obama.

But yeah, both are creepy. I hate both Bush and Obama, but seriously, Obama has introduced a whole new paradigm in creepy unmatched in the history of this Republic.

[georgiaboy]

had to stop watching the Obamakids video 15 seconds in. too creepy. It being so on-the-nose Goebbels-esque, it makes me think the producer/filmmaker was being grotesquely tongue-in-cheek using dark satire. People really don't do these kinds of things sincerely, do they?

[moostraks]

LOL I hope you don't expect to find anybody here who is going to defend Bush?

In any case, yeah that video was creepy too, but I don't think it was as creepy as Obamakids -- in the Bush video, everybody knew that they were using a cardboard cutout to "focus their energies" lol. The creepiest thing about the Bush video was that lady breaking out into tongues over a cardboard cutout haha.

I got the feeling from the Bush video that the Christiankids were blessing Bush because he was the President, while in the Obamakids video, they were worshiping Obama because he was Obama. That alone makes the Obama video way creepier. The Christiankids were doing what they did because the Christian faith teaches that certain blessings should go to our President and our leaders. The Obamakids worship was going to Obama because, well, it's Obama.

But yeah, both are creepy. I hate both Bush and Obama, but seriously, Obama has introduced a whole new paradigm in creepy unmatched in the history of this Republic.

Not all Christians believe in the blessings for leaders. Anabaptists for one come to mind.

[GunnyFreedom]

had to stop watching the Obamakids video 15 seconds in. too creepy. It being so on-the-nose Goebbels-esque, it makes me think the producer/filmmaker was being grotesquely tongue-in-cheek using dark satire. People really don't do these kinds of things sincerely, do they?

Yes, sadly, the Obamakids vid was widely circulated during the Obama campaign. :( It was actually intended to promote "the one" for President.

[GunnyFreedom]

Not all Christians believe in the blessings for leaders. Anabaptists for one come to mind.

The most I consider appropriate is praying for "wisdom, discernment, and the courage to do what is right" on the moment of some momentous decision. I do not buy into the overwhelming 'give your leaders to God' nonsense that pervades so much of the Western Church.

[moostraks]

The most I consider appropriate is praying for "wisdom, discernment, and the courage to do what is right" on the moment of some momentous decision. I do not buy into the overwhelming 'give your leaders to God' nonsense that pervades so much of the Western Church.

I understand where you are coming from, and have received guff from my Anabaptist acquaintances for being associated with anything political. My conscience forces me to attempt some effort, though. I just didn't want someone outside the faith to interpret from what you wrote that there is an absolute consensus within Christianity on the issue of blessings for worldly leaders. Many people have no contact with lesser known sects such as Anabaptists and therefore would not know that some Christians are repulsed by anything which resembles faith in the worldly system working ethically and properly according to His will.