David Frum: Pot may be to blame for shooting, maybe we need stricter pot laws

[jct74]

LOL!

Did Pot Trigger Giffords Shooting?
http://www.frumforum.com/did-pot-trigger-giffords-shooting


After horrific shootings, we hear calls for stricter regulation of guns. The Tucson shooting should remind us why we regulate marijuana.

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After the Tucson shooting, there may be renewed pressure to control the weapons that committed the crime. But what about the drugs that may have aggravated the killer’s mental disease? The trend these days seems toward a more casual attitude and easier access to those drugs. Among the things we should be discussing in the aftermath of this horror is the accumulating evidence of those drugs’ potential contribution to making some dangerous people even more dangerous than they might otherwise have been.

[torchbearer]

wtf? i dare you to get stoned and go on a killing spree.
you'll either forget you were going to do it, or realize it just really isn't worth the effort... now where did i put the cheetos?

[YumYum]

wtf? i dare you to get stoned and go on a killing spree.
you'll either forget you were going to do it, or realize it just really isn't worth the effort... now where did i put the cheetos?

lol!!!

[awake]

Its like pin your pet lobby issue on the donkey.

[Anti Federalist]

Its like pin your pet lobby issue on the donkey.

No shit, this guy has something for everybody to hate.

How about the pharmaceutical grade anti-depressants/anti-psychotics, I'll wager a month's salary that he was on?

[oyarde]

No shit, this guy has something for everybody to hate.

How about the pharmaceutical grade anti-depressants/anti-psychotics, I'll wager a month's salary that he was on?

I would need those too if one of my favorite books was commie manifesto

[Kotin]

Wow.

Seriously frum.. Fuck off.

[LisaNY]

Maybe it was Laughner's brand of toothpaste that pushed him over the edge.

[torchbearer]

Maybe it was Laughner's brand of toothpaste that pushed him over the edge.

laced with extra flouride from MK ultra.

[dannno]

Wow.

Seriously frum.. Fuck off.

According to his friends he stopped smoking cannabis back in October 2008, at which point his mental conditions got worse (on pharmaceuticals no doubt)

[jct74]

According to his friends he stopped smoking cannabis back in October 2008, at which point his mental conditions got worse (on pharmaceuticals no doubt)

Yep. That was in the Mother Jones article:


In October 2008, Tierney was living in Phoenix, and Loughner came to visit. They went to see a Mars Volta concert with friends, and Tierney was surprised when Loughner said he had quit partying "completely." Loughner, according to Tierney, said, "I'm going to lead a more healthy lifestyle, not smoke cigarettes or pot anymore, and I'm going to start working out." Tierney was happy for his friend: "I said, 'Dude, that's awesome.' And the next time I saw him he was 10 pounds lighter." Tierney never saw Loughner smoke marijuana again, and he was surprised at media reports that Loughner had been rejected from the military in 2009 for failing a drug test: "He was clean, clean. I saw him after that continuously. He would not do it."

After Loughner apparently gave up drugs and booze, "his theories got worse," Tierney says. "After he quit, he was just off the wall." And Loughner started to drift away from his group of friends about a year ago. By early 2010, dreaming had become Loughner's "waking life, his reality," Tierney says. "He sort of drifted off, didn't really care about hanging out with friends. He'd be sleeping a lot." Loughner's alternate reality was attractive, Tierney says. "He figured out he could fly." Loughner, according to Tierney, told his friends, "I'm so into it because I can create things and fly. I'm everything I'm not in this world."

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message

[pacelli]

I think David Frum is responsible for the shootings. After all, it was his "vitriol" that the shooter embraces.

[Eric21ND]

Frum is real piece of work. Who takes him seriously at this point?

Maybe every police negotiation squad should have doritos and cookie dough on hand just in case these bong tokers get uppity.

[Matt Collins]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zQEfgCBfLU&feature=sub

[jct74]

That Time Magazine article Frum quotes from pretty much says the link between marijuana and schizophrenia is inconclusive, with some studies showing it actually HELPS people with schizophrenia. Of course I don't put too much faith in a lot of these BS marijuana studies anyways.

[amy31416]

I think David Frum is responsible for the shootings. After all, it was his "vitriol" that the shooter embraces.

Hmm....I just had a "brilliant" idea.



Vitriol, for men. When your ordinary noxious odor just doesn't cut it....step it up a notch, with Vitriol (tm). (Celebrity spokespeople Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly?)



Soon, I will be rich.

[TheDriver]

If pot lead to violence, Willie Nelson would be a serial killer (or worse).

[ctiger2]

Maybe if Frum started smoking pot he wouldn't be such a blood thirsty neocon promoting death of brown people around the world...

[torchbearer]

That Time Magazine article Frum quotes from pretty much says the link between marijuana and schizophrenia is inconclusive, with some studies showing it actually HELPS people with schizophrenia. Of course I don't put too much faith in a lot of these BS marijuana studies anyways.

People with mental illness do tend to self-medicate, sometimes with canabis.
Most of these studies aren't controlled groups over extended time.
Meaning, they don't take perfectly health children with no genetic disposition toward schizophrenia, give them dope for several years and then test their mental health.
They find people who smoke already and test their mental health. That states nothing about their condition prior to smoking.

[Corydoras]

According to his friends he stopped smoking cannabis back in October 2008, at which point his mental conditions got worse (on pharmaceuticals no doubt)

Even if he didn't go onto pharma, it's clear he was medicating himself... and then he stopped. Bad move. Should have stayed smokin.

[torchbearer]

Hmm....I just had a "brilliant" idea.



Vitriol, for men. When your ordinary noxious odor just doesn't cut it....step it up a notch, with Vitriol (tm). (Celebrity spokespeople Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly?)



Soon, I will be rich.

Take some bath salts, press them into pills,and magic time.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Blargh, WTF kind of Bizarro World did we wake up to? For fuck's sake, Maryjane did this?

[pacelli]

Hmm....I just had a "brilliant" idea.



Vitriol, for men. When your ordinary noxious odor just doesn't cut it....step it up a notch, with Vitriol (tm). (Celebrity spokespeople Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly?)



Soon, I will be rich.

I love it.

[HazyHusky420]

If I had to pick one non-libertarian/non-voluntarist position it would be mandatory marijuana. At least then crime would go down and people wouldn't hate each other as much, plus they'll be more creative.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqYV9KKOZQ

[mczerone]

Yep. That was in the Mother Jones article:



http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message

I'm not kidding: email that to Frum. dfrum@aei.org

I've gotten a personal response from him in the past (calling RP a racist), but at least you'll forever know that he has the evidence in front of him but chooses to ignore it for purely political reasons.

[Uriel999]

If I had to pick one non-libertarian/non-voluntarist position it would be mandatory marijuana. At least then crime would go down and people wouldn't hate each other as much, plus they'll be more creative.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqYV9KKOZQ

lol, brilliant! I will even go one step further. That should not only be mandatory, but it should be enforced by the UN! Every country must have mandatory marijuana laws! I guarantee there would be a lot less warfare in the world.

[Wineman77]

Maybe the pot kept him from doing this long before.

[CaseyJones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4

[cavalier973]

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

"A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed."

[torchbearer]

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

"A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed."


Leave it up to russian intelligence to have the sources.

[GreenLP]

LOL!

Did Pot Trigger Giffords Shooting?
http://www.frumforum.com/did-pot-trigger-giffords-shooting

"After the Tucson shooting, there may be renewed pressure to control the weapons that committed the crime. But what about the drugs that may have aggravated the killer’s mental disease?"

Guess he should advocate for stricter regulation on alcohol too:


Loughner was also a heavy abuser of alcohol and marijuana, at one point taken to the hospital for alcohol poisoning.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110110/cm_ac/7577804_jared_loughner_portrait_of_the_tuscon_safe way_shooter

[A. Havnes]

Nothing has been revealed yet, but at this point I'm going to point the finger on psychotropic drugs - even "mild" ones can cause that kind of a reaction.