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MN Patriot
01-08-2011, 09:34 PM
She may have been trying to endear herself to her political base, but after today, I think Palin is through.

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

Does this end any chance of Palin running for president? Or is she so clueless she will still attempt to seek the Tea Party support and run for president?

klamath
01-08-2011, 09:47 PM
It didn't help Palin any that is for sure but sure didn't help RP either. I just read today how the Obama reelection campaign is very busy searching for and collecting dirt on any possible opponent. I am sure some nice screen shoots of some of the posts on this forum today are in their files.

Andrew-Austin
01-08-2011, 09:50 PM
People keep saying Palin is done with, and it keeps not being true.

rprprs
01-08-2011, 10:02 PM
I have no doubt that this will have a huge negative impact on her politcal aspirations. I'm no Palin fan, but I think this linkage is unfortunate and unwarranted. She bears absolutely no responsibility here. But it will be played to the hilt and I can assure you, you haven't heard anything yet. This will not be good for any of us.

libertarian4321
01-08-2011, 10:04 PM
She may have been trying to endear herself to her political base, but after today, I think Palin is through.

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

Does this end any chance of Palin running for president? Or is she so clueless she will still attempt to seek the Tea Party support and run for president?

Palin really is an idiot, but she still appeals to certain segments of the population, so who knows if she's done.

angelatc
01-08-2011, 10:20 PM
You mean this map?

http://www.indyattic.com/pics/map.gif

Oh wait - that the one the Democrats used.

muzzled dogg
01-08-2011, 10:21 PM
nope, mainstream media dont know dont care

cindy25
01-08-2011, 10:23 PM
if Gifford dies she will be forgotten soon, if she recovers it may help her 2012 but not much beyond. the only threat is if she can be rolled out ala Jim Brady.

Palin never had a chance to win the presidency but the base will love her.

lynnf
01-08-2011, 10:24 PM
She may have been trying to endear herself to her political base, but after today, I think Palin is through.

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

Does this end any chance of Palin running for president? Or is she so clueless she will still attempt to seek the Tea Party support and run for president?

I could only hope so; but I fear not, since probably most of her supporters won't even hear about the cross hairs

lynn

libertarian4321
01-08-2011, 10:27 PM
You mean this map?

http://www.indyattic.com/pics/map.gif

Oh wait - that the one the Democrats used.

You'll note that this thing doesn't put cross hairs on any person like Palin did.

"Targeting" a state is far different than putting cross hairs on a PERSON. Palin was stupid to put that up (pretty typical for her), and it's going to bite her in the ass.

Not that I care if Palin's career goes down in flames- I'd love to see her finish her career where it started- as mayor of Wasilla (which is about the highest level she's qualified for).

squarepusher
01-08-2011, 10:50 PM
People keep saying Palin is done with, and it keeps not being true.

did palin ever have a chance?

doodle
01-08-2011, 11:02 PM
Looking at media's focus on this connection and resonance, I'm afraid her Presidential game plan is over and likely her career in politics too.

rprprs
01-08-2011, 11:22 PM
Looking at media's focus on this connection and resonance, I'm afraid her Presidential game plan is over and likely her career in politics too.

Very possible. Expect to see a LOT if this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7046bo92a4&feature

As Palin is (incorrectly) viewed by many as a voice for small government, I'm worried about the spillover.

speciallyblend
01-08-2011, 11:30 PM
don't worry about palin folks. The fact is if she does win the gop nomination. That is a BIG CLUE to GET THE F OUT ASAP;) and start fresh!!

doodle
01-08-2011, 11:31 PM
Those people who see Palin as small government advocate have to be very naive. Either she is a certified neocon or pretty greedy, dishnoest politician.

GunnyFreedom
01-08-2011, 11:40 PM
Turns out it was a broken-headed liberal who thought she was too conservative.

It's time to kill the false left-right paradigm once and for all. :mad:

rprprs
01-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Those people who see Palin as small government advocate have to be very naive....

Like there's any shortage of those folks.

Golding
01-08-2011, 11:50 PM
No, because only the usual suspects are actually making noise about the "crosshairs map". I'm no fan of Palin, personally, but anyone who takes the time to think longer than it takes to reactively want to bury Palin will realize that crosshairs are not an uncommon symbol. Not to mention the gunman seems to have simply had a schizophrenic break, and there seems little in the way of legitimate political motivation.

Somehow I just don't see how a registered Democrat who lists the Communist Manifesto as a favorite book is influenced to kill by someone like Sarah Palin.

Granted, facts won't get in the way of the usual suspects who take any tragedy and try to turn it into political gain. But those people are of little importance, to be honest.

I think you're also giving far too much credit, suggesting that Sarah Palin actually had a political career up to now. Sorry to say, but she simply didn't.

jazzloversinc
01-09-2011, 12:09 AM
I do not see how Palin is responsible for anything.

axiomata
01-09-2011, 12:46 AM
She may have been trying to endear herself to her political base, but after today, I think Palin is through.

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

Does this end any chance of Palin running for president? Or is she so clueless she will still attempt to seek the Tea Party support and run for president?

I thought her political career was over after she quit as governor.

angelatc
01-09-2011, 12:48 AM
"Targeting" a state is far different than putting cross hairs on a PERSON.
.

Oh please. Targeting a district is different than targeting a state? I'm not a Palin fan, but this is just dumb.

t0rnado
01-09-2011, 12:57 AM
It is obviously that Palin's intent in making that map wasn't to have Giffords get shot. Anyone with an IQ above 50 understands that and the ones with an IQ below 50 support Palin anyways.

Anyways, Palin ended her political career the moment she resigned from her governorship in Alaska.

__27__
01-09-2011, 12:58 AM
Oh please. Targeting a district is different than targeting a state? I'm not a Palin fan, but this is just dumb.

I'm just passing on what I've overheard, but it sounds like Palin had actual pictures of the targets (you know and I know she meant politically) with crosshairs on them. If that is true, and I don't know that it is for sure, it certainly is vastly different than putting a little target on a state map.

libertarian4321
01-09-2011, 03:19 AM
Oh please. Targeting a district is different than targeting a state? I'm not a Palin fan, but this is just dumb.

Palin did not target a district. She targeted PEOPLE, by name.

She put the cross hairs on Giffords and specifically mentioned her (and a few others) by NAME.

That's why it looks so bad. If she'd just said "we're looking to win district XX in Arizona" no one would be saying anything.

libertarian4321
01-09-2011, 03:20 AM
I thought her political career was over after she quit as governor.

One would hope so, but like these guys, she just keeps coming back:

http://cdn.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/chucky-childs-play.jpg

http://www.filmpeek.net/images/johnny-kruger-returns.jpg

http://www.blog.303magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/jason-Vorhees-Friday-the-13th-Remake1-300x203.jpg

http://www.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/palin-bad-hair-300x199.jpg

You can't get rid of her- like Freddie Krueger, Jason Vorhees, and Chucky- she just keeps coming back. The nightmare never ends...

JohnEngland
01-09-2011, 06:18 AM
It's incredible that despite the fact that Palin has absolutely nothing to to with this event, she's still managed to get all the blame. Sometimes I want to cry at how morally corrupt humanity is. How can humans progress when they place anger, envy, pride and hatred above rationality, reason and faith?

Well anyway, since I don't think Palin was ever going to run for president anyway, I would say this doesn't affect her chances :p

MN Patriot
01-09-2011, 06:39 AM
No, because only the usual suspects are actually making noise about the "crosshairs map". I'm no fan of Palin, personally, but anyone who takes the time to think longer than it takes to reactively want to bury Palin will realize that crosshairs are not an uncommon symbol. Not to mention the gunman seems to have simply had a schizophrenic break, and there seems little in the way of legitimate political motivation.

Somehow I just don't see how a registered Democrat who lists the Communist Manifesto as a favorite book is influenced to kill by someone like Sarah Palin.

Granted, facts won't get in the way of the usual suspects who take any tragedy and try to turn it into political gain. But those people are of little importance, to be honest.

I think you're also giving far too much credit, suggesting that Sarah Palin actually had a political career up to now. Sorry to say, but she simply didn't.

The people who will twist this tragedy around for political gain are of GREAT importance, they help mold and reinforce the opinions of the segment of the population who are envious, spiteful, consumed with hatred towards the rich and successful.

When Palin first made the national scene, I thought she would be a great asset for the liberty movement. Then she quit her office and is now on reality TV. And her neo-con views don't help, either. It would be best if she just went away, but I am afraid she won't, she will give the hatemongers more reason to hate anyone who resembles her.

MN Patriot
01-09-2011, 06:45 AM
don't worry about palin folks. The fact is if she does win the gop nomination. That is a BIG CLUE to GET THE F OUT ASAP;) and start fresh!!

If you are referring to starting a new third party, I have been advocating that for a long time. Libertarians need to figure out how to create a viable third party, then abandon the Republican Party and turn it into a third party. Let the RINOs and pro-war, anti-liberty, pro-income tax, pro-Fed conservatives have their party.

YumYum
01-09-2011, 06:49 AM
If you are referring to starting a new third party, I have been advocating that for a long time. Libertarians need to figure out how to create a viable third party, then abandon the Republican Party and turn it into a third party. Let the RINOs and pro-war, anti-liberty, pro-income tax, pro-Fed conservatives have their party.

I'm with you.

Teaser Rate
01-09-2011, 07:05 AM
If you are referring to starting a new third party, I have been advocating that for a long time. Libertarians need to figure out how to create a viable third party, then abandon the Republican Party and turn it into a third party. Let the RINOs and pro-war, anti-liberty, pro-income tax, pro-Fed conservatives have their party.

Trying to get control of the government by starting a third party has about as much of a chance of succeeding as an armed revolt at this point in time. As far as I'm concerned, we can either work within the Republican party or work to change things through non-political avenues. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.

JohnEngland
01-09-2011, 07:09 AM
Trying to get control of the government by starting a third party has about as much of a chance of succeeding as an armed revolt at this point in time. As far as I'm concerned, we can either work within the Republican party or work to change things through non-political avenues. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.

I think it's a much better idea to change the Republican party. That's what the socialists have done with the Democrat party (and the GOP to an extent).

Just look at what can be done to the GOP - there are now decent people like Rand Paul, Mike Lee and Jim DeMint in the Senate and who knows who else in the Congress. Furthermore, the Republicans voted at the state level seem increasingly pro-10th amendment. Just look at how the states are rallying together to defeat Obamacare.

I think libertarians should continue to co-opt the Repulibcan party - especially at the state level.

MN Patriot
01-09-2011, 07:13 AM
I think it's a much better idea to change the Republican party. That's what the socialists have done with the Democrat party (and the GOP to an extent).

Just look at what can be done to the GOP - there are now decent people like Rand Paul, Mike Lee and Jim DeMint in the Senate and who knows who else in the Congress. Furthermore, the Republicans voted at the state level seem increasingly pro-10th amendment. Just look at how the states are rallying together to defeat Obamacare.

I think libertarians should continue to co-opt the Repulibcan party - especially at the state level.

What about the Establishment neo-cons? Where do they go? Suggest to them they start their own third party? :D

YumYum
01-09-2011, 07:16 AM
Trying to get control of the government by starting a third party has about as much of a chance of succeeding as an armed revolt at this point in time. As far as I'm concerned, we can either work within the Republican party or work to change things through non-political avenues. Anything else is a waste of time IMO.

Its like putting perfume on poop. It only helps a little.

brandon
01-09-2011, 07:29 AM
Palin did not target a district. She targeted PEOPLE, by name.

She put the cross hairs on Giffords and specifically mentioned her (and a few others) by NAME.

That's why it looks so bad. If she'd just said "we're looking to win district XX in Arizona" no one would be saying anything.

Can you post these pics or a link? I haven't seen them yet.

RonPaulFanInGA
01-09-2011, 07:35 AM
Can you post these pics or a link? I haven't seen them yet.

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/sarahpac_0.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TJzUwz8a3fI/AAAAAAAA6io/wBYhL0X3z7k/s1600/PalinRifleMap.png

brandon
01-09-2011, 07:48 AM
Thanks, but I have seen those. I thought libertarian was saying there was an image where cross hairs were literally on these people, not on a map.

teacherone
01-09-2011, 07:48 AM
http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/sarahpac_0.jpg




what a fucking dumbass

vita3
01-09-2011, 08:27 AM
I find the Sara Palin obssession on this site disturbing

Pizzo
01-09-2011, 08:56 AM
Has anyone actually offered any proof that the shooter has actually seen these ads? Maybe I am dumb, but I assume it's pretty hard to be influenced by something you've never seen.

brandon
01-09-2011, 08:56 AM
I find the Sara Palin obssession on this site disturbing

Yea it's only on this site. We made this all up.No one anywhere else has even thought to link Sarah Palin to this story.

vita3
01-09-2011, 09:05 AM
There is at least one thread about Palin a day.. She is a reality-tv star & a quitter.. let her go - - -

brandon
01-09-2011, 09:12 AM
Seriously. Why is the nations top political issue of the day being discussed in the general politics section of a political forum?Makes no sense, huh?

amy31416
01-09-2011, 09:38 AM
What about the Establishment neo-cons? Where do they go? Suggest to them they start their own third party? :D

The establishment neocons all but absorbed and ousted the true conservatives...I don't see why we couldn't, with one hell of an enormous effort, return the favor.

Of course, we'd actually have to read these neocon books (Irving Kristol, David Frum and the like), which I find distasteful--but I'm willing to do so to learn their evil ways and one-up them, without all the evil.

While I love the idea of Ron Paul running in 2012, that should just be a very small part of the plan, if we're serious about retaking the GOP.

KAYA
01-09-2011, 09:42 AM
Seriously. Why is the nations top political issue of the day being discussed in the general politics section of a political forum?Makes no sense, huh?

The top political issue?

The top news story is of a shooting not any particular political issue. Of course the corrupt propagandist in the MSM would love to turn it into a political issue by associating this shooting with the right-wing, concerned townhall participants, tea-parties, Sara Palin, etc., since a Democrat politician was one of the victims. But at this point this is pure speculation and the MSM's window of opportunity to run with this BS before the actual facts come out. This is the storyline the MSM is desperately hoping for and creating while they have the chance - before the facts come out. [See: Times Square Bomber]

So far, the only thing we may or may not know about the shooter is that he may or may not be a member of a potentially radical group of people who may or may not be anti-gov, anti-immigration and anti-zionist. Now if we consider this guy to be anti-zionist, does it make any sense once-so-ever to think he is a follower and was provoked toward violence by the very pro-Israel, pro-Zionist, and current reality TV star Sara Palin? Come on, seriously? And yet, here we go with all the Sara Palin speculation, maps, quotes, talk of her political career, etc.

tangent4ronpaul
01-09-2011, 09:53 AM
Just to bring up a bit of history...

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/paranoia-as-patriotism/minutemen.html

Robert DePugh and The Minutemen

Robert DePugh, 72, came into prominence in the early 1960s as founder of the Minutemen - a secretive, extreme right-wing group that perceived an impending Communist takeover of the U.S. and organized violent "counteraction" to prevent the alleged takeover. Organized into secret cells of five to 15 members, the Minutemen stockpiled weapons and trained together to defend the country against what they deemed "subversives." In scattered incidents throughout the U.S. during the 1960s, armed Minutemen clashed with law enforcement authorities and private citizens.

Minutemen carrying out DePugh's orders and objectives placed armed caches in various locations around the country. They attracted notoriety when this military equipment was discovered by law enforcement. In October 1966, for example, 19 New York Minutemen were arrested in raids and accused of planning to bomb and burn three summer camps in the New York metropolitan area, which the Minutemen claimed were being used by "Communist, left-wing, and liberal" individuals. Huge supplies of weapons and explosives - including rifles, pipe bombs, mortars, machine guns, grenade launchers and a bazooka - were uncovered. Because of faulty search warrants, however, the charges against the Minutemen were dropped in 1971, after lengthy court proceedings.

In addition, the Minutemen used threats against their perceived enemies. In one incident, DePugh's monthly publication, On Target, listed the names of 20 Congressmen who had criticized the then-active House Committee on Un-American Activities, warning: "Traitors beware! Even now the cross hairs are on the back of your necks."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Minutemen_%28organization%29

The Minutemen (no relation to the American Revolutionary War troops at all, thank goodness) was an extreme anti-Communist paramilitary group in the United States founded in 1961 by Missouri pharmaceutical company owner Robert DePugh. DePugh was a one-time member of the John Birch Society who quickly decided the Birchers were a bunch of letter-writing wimps and the time had come to form underground paramilitary bands to take up arms against the Imminent Communist Threat.

The Minutemen were convinced the U.S. government was riddled with closet commies, there were commies lurking under every rock, commies under their beds, and commies in their water supply. DePugh published a 1961 booklet on guerrilla warfare for the group, and the Minutemen newsletter was called "On Target". According to one source the Minutemen were structured after the California Rangers, a 1950s paramilitary group founded by William Potter Gale (later co-founder of Posse Comitatus.[1]

Their original idea was to have a network of Americans ready to wage guerrilla warfare against the Soviets after the commies invaded, but the group attracted the usual bunch of Really Unstable Individuals who were convinced the real communist threat was right here in the U.S. government. Members of the Seattle branch of the Minutemen were indicted in 1968 when Seattle police infiltrated the group and uncovered a plot to bomb a hydroelectric plant and a Seattle police station.

DePugh himself was indicted twice on federal firearms charges in 1966 and 1968; the second charge stuck and he went on the lam for two years before being convicted and spending 1970-1973 in prison. The Minutemen limped on a few more years sans Robert DePugh under new leadership; his brief replacement as head of the Minutemen was of all people a folk musician associated with the Process Church of the Final Judgment (a Scientology splinter). Upon release in 1973 DePugh's book Can You Survive was published, which was supposed to be about how to survive while on the lam for two years but in actuality was mostly a bunch of paranoid International Communist Conspiracy woo. DePugh briefly went on to join Liberty Lobby, later converted to Christian Identity, then to denounce politics entirely and drop out of sight.

This organization was a likely inspiration, at least in tactics and organizational methods, for the later militia movement.

========

There is surprisingly little on the web about them and what is out there is largely inaccurate and written by lefties and Zionists.

How history repeats itself...

Also, "Can you Survive" is not a bad book and is still in print. Contrary to what one of the write ups said.

-t

Lucille
01-09-2011, 10:38 AM
It shouldn't, unless Obama's political career is over for the same type of "incendiary rhetoric."

I want her political career to be over, but not because of this BS.

aravoth
01-09-2011, 11:15 AM
how can Palin be responsible for a what a psychotic liberal did?

Maximus
01-09-2011, 11:27 AM
This will hurt Palin with independents, as if any more hurt were possible.

Obama isn't looking through this forum looking for dirt on Ron Paul. Is he going to run commercials with quotes from people on this forum? That's absurd.