NOAA Climate Scientist: “We Need to Do Whatever We Can to Reduce Population”

[Noob]

One-Child Policy, force sterilizations and euthanizing elderly people is whats it really all about Isn't?



NOAA Climate Scientist: “We Need to Do Whatever We Can to Reduce Population”

John B. Miller, a climate scientist at the University of Colorado, Boulder, doing research for NOAA, has been filmed at a “350″ climate change rally at the Denver statehouse calling for control of population and an end to the “madness” of economic growth.

In what was clearly a passionate and deeply heartfelt speech, Miller told the audience, to cheers and applause:

I would be remiss, as a scientist who studied this, if I didn’t mention the following two things:

The first is that, most importantly, we need to do, as a society, in this country and globally, whatever we can to reduce population. [Cheers, applause.] It’s the ‘master variable’ that controls everything [shouts of "that's right"].

Doing whatever it takes to reduce population is the number one thing for the good Dr Miller. And the second thing? Ending the “madness” of economic growth.

Our whole economic system is based on growth, and growth of our population, and this madness has to end.

Well quite. Who said this global warming business was politically driven? All they’re demanding is control of reproduction and the economy.

http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/noaa-climate-scientist-we-need-to-do-whatever-we-can-to-reduce-population/

[agitator]

Nobody yelled, "You first!" ?

[tangent4ronpaul]

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Coming to a town near you soon!

[Bern]

I am not a number. I am a free man.

[fisharmor]

Whatever we can?
If we destroy the environment, the population will go down by necessity.
Duh.

[Bern]

Release the hounds plague!

[Pericles]

What he really meant to say is the number of people he thinks are not particularly useful need to be eliminated, on the model of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.

[Freedom 4 all]

What he really meant to say is the number of people he thinks are not particularly useful need to be eliminated, on the model of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.

He's not particularly fucking useful. Why doesn't he start with himself?

[klamath]

What he really meant to say is the number of people he thinks are not particularly useful need to be eliminated, on the model of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc. I consider myself an environmentalist and tried to work with environmental groups to solve problems. No environment problem could be solved unless population control could be gained and however this was achieved, the end justified the means.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

But they won't let Dr. Kevorkian euthanize terminal patients who consentually request euthanasia.

[Chieppa1]

I consider myself an environmentalist and tried to work with environmental groups to solve problems. No environment problem could be solved unless population control could be gained and however this was achieved, the end justified the means.

Maybe allowing a free market system within industry would produce more environmentally safe (and affordable) products. I think most people wouldn't mind being "green", if it wasn't forced on them in more ways then one. Oh, and if they could purchase these products at a real market rate. But solar will never be where gas/oil are until Mobil and company stop making $$$ off gas/oil.

[Noob]

They should nominate themselves to be the example by leading the parade to the nearest available crematorium. If they are into conservation of fossil fuels, it shouldn't be hard to find one of their fellow-travelers willing to smack them in the head with a shovel and bury them. End of problem.

[VBRonPaulFan]

Population control is built into nature de facto. War, disease, famine. One of these three will constantly keep us in check. Any idiot who wants to force his arbitrary rules on everyone else to try to build some silly utopia for himself is going to die an angry and unaccomplished man.

[Sola_Fide]

Forced abortion, forced sterilization, euthanasia, are all the logical outworkings of environmentalism.

Humans are a parasite on this earth. The faster we are controlled, sterilized, aborted, and murdered, the better for the earth.

If you'll remember, the Darwinist environmental nut who held up the Discovery building cited this same idea: Malthusian eugenics.

[Noob]

Forced abortion, forced sterilization, euthanasia, are all the logical outworkings of environmentalism.

Humans are a parasite on this earth. The faster we are controlled, sterilized, aborted, and murdered, the better for the earth.

If you'll remember, the Darwinist environmental nut who held up the Discovery building cited this same idea: Malthusian eugenics.

The only ones stopping those who believe in over population from putting themselfs out of their own misery of living among billions of people are themselves. They just need to understand that, and maybe get together and have one big party ending with their own suicide pact.

[awake]

Save the earth; kill the humans. Great idea Hannibal.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFm-3MI6LheSbUutdEh377Peaviz5X3WvgahZ6op_RdOKAPJpV

[Rothbardian Girl]

I have to be completely honest here. Maybe this is just my 17-year-old, young, impressionable self speaking, but I sympathize with most environmentalists. I think there are definite problems that need to be addressed regarding environmental issues, and I do believe the issues with climate change may have some merit. As for overpopulation, I am honestly clueless as to what can or "should" be done, but I am fairly convinced that there are and will be real issues with population in the near future; for example, a teacher of mine has mentioned problems with the water supply in certain areas of the Middle East. Now, I don't know how reliable of a source he is, but I think it would be a real concern eventually.

However, I differ with most typical environmentalists (with whom I have spoken, anyway) who think the only way to fix these problems is by imposing all sorts of useless regulations and strengthening the power of the EPA and getting government more involved. From what I can tell, the EPA often looks the other way on certain issues, and many sites that were supposed to be cleaned up are not being cleaned up effectively, etc. Plus, I think more government-related operations ultimately do more damage to the environment, like nuclear testing, spraying chemicals, etc. Not to mention the problem of corporations being hand-in-hand with government and actually doing grave amounts of damage to the environment. How can the EPA actually be effective at punishing these rogue corporate fiends who cover up pollution and possibly contribute to climate change when these same people actually have an influence on the policies that the EPA sets out? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's why I would want to see more of an emphasis on small, green businesses that can educate consumers as to the real dangers of mistreating the environment, rather than more regulations that don't actually fix much. Again, I understand the concerns of most environmentalists, and I think a lot of them make excellent points to consider. I personally want to see a clean and healthy earth so that future generations can marvel at precious wildlife and breathtaking features, whether they are rainforests or priceless old buildings, or groups of polar bears, or what have you. I think too many people tend to bury their heads in the sand when it comes to these issues.

Most of what I have said probably is common sense to people here... I think...

[Sola_Fide]

Private property is the only way to ensure a "green" earth.

Environmentalists do not care about the environment, they care about control. Let's remain consistent libertarians...don't let the Statists and the scientific elite shape the debate with fear.

[MelissaCato]

nobody yelled, "you first!" ?

lol

[awake]

AuquaBuddha2010 has the thread winner.... Property rights, prices and markets are the right way to go, not central planning. Conservation can only exist when it is the property of someone managing it. We are born property managers, lets not overlook this.

[Noob]

IPCC Professor Calls For “Elite Warrior Leadership” To Rule Over Eco-Dictatorship

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ipcc-professor-calls-for-elite-warrior-leadership-to-rule-over-eco-dictatorship.html


IPCC Professor wants communist-style controls on giving birth

http://www.prisonplanet.com/eco-nazi-orders-americans-to-pay-carbon-tax-on-children.html

[HazyHusky420]

Forced abortion, forced sterilization, euthanasia, are all the logical outworkings of environmentalism.

Humans are a parasite on this earth. The faster we are controlled, sterilized, aborted, and murdered, the better for the earth.

If you'll remember, the Darwinist environmental nut who held up the Discovery building cited this same idea: Malthusian eugenics.

Don't you mean FORCED euthanasia? Not allowing someone to kill themselves if they want to is not libertarian. It's your life, you should be in charge, especially if you're terminally ill and in alot of pain. You shouldn't be forced to live in pain.

[HazyHusky420]

Overpopulation and underpopulation ("encouraging" people to have kids). Two myths, both empower the state.

[HazyHusky420]

How to tell if an environmentalist is legit and knows what they're talking about:

Ask them what they think about industrial hemp.

[BULBASAUR!]

I am really sick of this "overpopulation" meme. Earth is fucking HUGE. If you put every person on the Earth side by side and in one big cluster where everyone's touching each other it would be a little smaller than LA. There's plenty of room and resources on this planet. The only reason there's issues with food in water in other countries is because their governments do a piss poor job at protecting life, liberty and property. Since their government doesn't do anything to protect these things, no one can gather enough capital to develop clean water or mass amounts of food. There's a reason that the more capitalistic economies are better off in these regards.

And we would probably be off oil by now if the government didn't meddle so much in the energy market. If they'd allow for industrial hemp, allow for private high speed rail stop subsidizing oil, corn and that massively inefficient and archaic road system the market would have provided mush cleaner, more efficient means of travel by now.

[Anti Federalist]

I consider myself an environmentalist and tried to work with environmental groups to solve problems. No environment problem could be solved unless population control could be gained and however this was achieved, the end justified the means.

That's not quite clear.

What are you saying?

That among the environmental groups you worked with, every solution included population reduction, so you gave up?

I'm not following you here, please clarify.

[Anti Federalist]

And there are some that still deny that the "endgame" is genocide on a global scale in order to protect the earth keep all of earth's resources for their own use and enjoyment.

Global government and control is a means to an end, not the end in itself.

[Sola_Fide]

Yep^^^

[Anti Federalist]

Yep^^^

And Dugaway Proving Grounds gets "locked down" for hours today as a not clearly identified vial of "agent" went missing.

[devil21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones



A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.

1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2.Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
4.Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.[4]

[Lucille]

I don't know what this guy is complaining about. CONgress and The Ben Bernank are doing their very best to starve people in third world countries.

[nobody's_hero]

Although it's probably a long way off, is it actually accurate to say that overpopulation is a myth? (Easter Island for example)

How you'd solve a problem like that, I'm not really sure (genocide is not an option). Hopefully, the people of earth will stop fighting amongst themselves by the time that we reach such a threshold and we can set off into the unknown to explore new frontiers in the universe.

[oyarde]

What he really meant to say is the number of people he thinks are not particularly useful need to be eliminated, on the model of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, etc.

I think so .

[oyarde]

He's not particularly fucking useful. Why doesn't he start with himself?

You read my mind ...

[oyarde]

Although it's probably a long way off, is it actually accurate to say that overpopulation is a myth? (Easter Island for example)

How you'd solve a problem like that, I'm not really sure (genocide is not an option). Hopefully, the people of earth will stop fighting amongst themselves by the time that we reach such a threshold and we can set off into the unknown to explore new frontiers in the universe.

The Easter Island history is interesting .

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Nobody yelled, "You first!" ?

I'm waiting for the day that happens.

[BuddyRey]

The green death cult is getting to a point now where I think their message hasn't just infected science and academia, but the wider collective consciousness. I was just watching that new NBC courtroom show Harry's Law last week (I almost never watch TV, but I figured something with Kathy Bates couldn't be bad). Regardless, I became absolutely mortified to find that an entire subplot of the episode was devoted to defending China's one-child policy, and claiming that someday, something like it would become necessary in the U.S. I know that David E. Kelley loves to write about hot-button issues on Boston Legal, but there's usually a lot more balance and the protagonists and antagonists are evenly matched. This wasn't witty, thought-provoking, or interesting at all; just preachy and silly.

[Anti Federalist]

Although it's probably a long way off, is it actually accurate to say that overpopulation is a myth? (Easter Island for example)

How you'd solve a problem like that, I'm not really sure (genocide is not an option). Hopefully, the people of earth will stop fighting amongst themselves by the time that we reach such a threshold and we can set off into the unknown to explore new frontiers in the universe.

Prosperity and economic advancement are the two sure ways to reduce population levels.

This is all such a bunch of horseshit.


Today about 42% of the world population lives in nations with sub-replacement fertility.[citation needed] Nonetheless most of these countries still have growing populations due to immigration, population momentum and increase of the life expectancy. This includes most nations of Europe, Canada, Australia, Russia, Iran, Tunisia, China, Japan, and many others. The countries or areas that have the lowest fertility are Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, Taiwan, Ukraine and Lithuania. Only a few countries have severe enough or sustained sub-replacement fertility (combined with other population factors like emigration) to have population decline, such as Japan, Lithuania, and Ukraine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility

[Noob]

A license to parent your own children in the USA?

http://www.federaljack.com/?author=311

[dblee]

The best way to reduce the population is capitalism. All throughout history, after countries experience a free market economy and standards of living rise, the birth rate falls dramatically.

[hugolp]

This people are not environmentalists. Environmentalists care about the environment. All this peopele care is about government control.


I don't know what this guy is complaining about. CONgress and The Ben Bernank are doing their very best to starve people in third world countries.

+1

[Noob]

Nobel Biochemist: Cull the population, save the human race from "original sin"!

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=270961#ixzz1Fp7nCqlX

[JohnEngland]

The problem, I think, would appear to be that these people don't understand true economics. They see Keynesianism (though they will probably be unfamiliar with this term) as how an economy grows. They see the instability and unsustainability of this model and thus believe that "capitalism" is to blame and we must have wise overlords to slow things down ie socialism.

This is the danger - history is full of examples of people misunderstanding a situation and doing the wrong thing, which makes the situation worse.

All of us here know that under the Austrian model, not only would we have a far more stable model and sustainable economc growth, but also a more frugal, wise and sensible population too.

[osan]

NOAA Climate Scientist: “We Need to Do Whatever We Can to Reduce Population

"Can" engenders a great big world full of possibilities.

One would think that such a man, one in his position, would express himself in a more circumspect fashion, particularly if his words were motivated by compassion. I read this as pure hatred - self-hatred turned outward. I would like to know who, exactly, are "we" and who are the rest? Forced sterilizations? I am absolutely OK with that so long as every single advocate of this policy of violence is irrevocably sterilized first, and I am talking full hysterectomies for the girls and full castration for the boys. That is the standard of commitment I demand they demonstrate prior to even considering assent to such a thing.

All we CAN do... that's an awful lot. Camps... chambers... plagues... bombs... fire... drowning... a very long list indeed. Why has nobody called him out on this, to make specific statements regarding the metes and bounds of action under such a policy?

[osan]

I am not a number. I am a free man.

No, you're a number. Now run along #6 or we will have to call on Rover.