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Agorism
12-29-2010, 11:12 AM
Bill Kristol appears to have soured on Sarah Palin for president


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9Mg4Io3cE


On Fox News Sunday, former White House press secretary Dana Perino suggested somebody's writing some of Sarah Palin's meatier foreign policy musings--and it's not Sarah Palin.

"It doesn't sound like her when you read the materials," said Perino, who conceded it's hardly uncommon for politicians to have ghostwriters.

Perino said in Palin's case the folksy style she brings to her public appearances, Twitter posts and on her reality show, Sarah Palin's Alaska makes the uber-serious written takes, including a recent USA Today op-ed on Iran seem so out of character as to raise questions about her "authenticity," which Perino claimed has "never been more important."

Zatch
12-29-2010, 11:38 AM
The real neocon dream candidate:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/john_bolton_1.jpg

Lucille
12-29-2010, 11:42 AM
Wallace: "Did you get blowback on it?"

I'm surprised Kristol didn't respond by saying, "There's no such thing. They hate me for my freedoms."

Smitty
12-29-2010, 11:48 AM
Palin is being paid to direct the focus of the Tea Party towards mainstream neocon candidates with a mixed message which contains both libertarian and imperialistic ideology.

She will strongly hint that she is to be a candidate, then after stirring up the ill informed voting mass which now makes up the preponderance of the Tea Party, she will throw her support behind the candidate who is chosen by her neocon handlers.

Lucille
12-29-2010, 11:50 AM
On Fox News Sunday, former White House press secretary Dana Perino suggested somebody's writing some of Sarah Palin's meatier foreign policy musings--and it's not Sarah Palin.


Randy Scheunemann (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/11/12/orion_soros_palin) perhaps? (Like they don't know.)


Scheunemann is known as a longtime neoconservative who pushed for the U.S. invasion of Iraq and for support for Georgia. He has been strongly identified with Palin since he met her while working as the chief foreign policy adviser of the McCain campaign in 2008 (see a classic picture of Scheunemann and Palin doing debate prep here). Since then, Scheunemann has taken on an increasingly prominent role in Palin-land. He traveled with her to Hong Kong for a speech in September 2009. In the second quarter of 2010, Scheunemann's Orion Strategies was paid $30,000 by Palin's political action committee for consulting on "national and international issues."

sailingaway
12-29-2010, 11:51 AM
I think he'd be fine with her if he thought she could win. He is a pragmatist as a matter of religion and principle, it is all he has. He measures her favorability/unfavorability ratings for the general election and doesn't like where he comes out and that is the end of the story, for him. Except that he still wants her followers engaged.

Agorism
12-29-2010, 11:53 AM
What foreign countries did they want Palin to visit as a substitute to her resigning as governor?

Smitty
12-29-2010, 11:55 AM
I think he'd be fine with her if he thought she could win.

No,...Kristol realizes that a more eloquent propagandist is necessary to fill the role of President.

Palin couldn't make the lies convincing enough.

sailingaway
12-29-2010, 11:56 AM
No,...Kristol realizes that a more eloquent propagandist is necessary to fill the role of President.

Palin couldn't make the lies convincing enough.

Hm. I hadn't thought that through.

I'm not absolutely certain she WOULD lie, either. Her best feature it that she doesn't really seem controllable if she gets the bit in her teeth. She is at minimum easily led on some important issues, but would she lie? My jury is still out on that one.

Aratus
12-29-2010, 11:59 AM
i take it Bill Kristol let the SHRUB and his 'frat' house days slip right by?
if a well thought out stance for good or ill is thought to be ghosted, where was
Mr. Kristol's sensitivity to plagarism and/or an erudite ghostwriter for most of the BUSH years?

Romulus
12-29-2010, 12:01 PM
He probably doesnt trust her since she endorsed Rand.

sailingaway
12-29-2010, 12:01 PM
i take it Bill Kristol let the SHRUB and his 'frat' house days slip right by?
if a well thought out stance for good or ill is thought to be ghosted, where was
Mr. Kristol's sensitivity to plagarism and/or an erudite ghostwriter for most of the BUSH years?

If you watch the video, Kristol didn't have a problem with ghostwriting, no one did. They ASSUME staffers and advisors write the stuff. (IMHO, Kristol just wants to be the one with the pen.)

sailingaway
12-29-2010, 12:02 PM
He probably doesnt trust her since she endorsed Rand.

He did say that was a disappointment, at the time.

Smitty
12-29-2010, 12:02 PM
Hm. I hadn't thought that through.

but would she lie? .

She will do whatever she's told to do,...just like anyone else who gets the nod from the neocons.

If she hadn't already agreed to that, she would never have gotten to be McCain's running mate

Smitty
12-29-2010, 12:04 PM
He probably doesnt trust her since she endorsed Rand.

The endorsement of Rand was a calculated way for her to connect with the Tea Party people,..and a small price to pay for future dividends which that connection will provide.

Agorism
12-29-2010, 12:06 PM
The endorsement of Rand was a calculated way for her to connect with the Tea Party people,..and a small price to pay for future dividends which that connection will provide.

I think most of what she does is random actually. She doesn't seem to grasp that there are different factions within the republican party, and she seems to think that she belongs to every group all at the same time. She's a huge fan of Ron Paul and a huge fan of Bill Kristol, etc.

Whatever, it's all random with her.

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:10 PM
i remember an insightful election documentary on PBS
that compared al gore to the lead in LOVE STORY
and george w. bush to john belushi's "blutto" from
ANIMAL HOUSE! --- sailingaway... kristol is envy driven?
al gore like bill clinton had a little bit of a 'weed' problem
as a college student, and yes... the "W" happily drank.

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:12 PM
sarah palin has had more of a formal education than has harry s. truman?
if truman the men's clothes salesman could make speeches and have admin
people draw up policy positions for him that he tended to have understood,
is sarah palin's somewhat artificial "folksy" style drawing new yorker wrath?

Smitty
12-29-2010, 12:12 PM
. She's a huge fan of Ron Paul and a huge fan of Bill Kristol.

As I said:


Palin is being paid to direct the focus of the Tea Party towards mainstream neocon candidates with a mixed message which contains both libertarian and imperialistic ideology.

Nothing is random in politics.

People who are "random" don't get to be FOX commentators,...don't get their own reality show,..don't get to be the *ahem* "keynote" speaker at the *ahem* "National Tea Party Convention".

The Palin phenomenon isn't random. It's been very carefully orchestrated.

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:21 PM
Smitty, how soon until the DIVINE SARAH agitprop gets to deconstruct mr. mitt romney and any hairspray
or gel ...? will he defend his pianos at that oplympiad and the very way he talked tough to our legislative
Democrats as she points out how meteoric & quick barack obama's trek to the oval office was, and that
she deserves a like~wise for the wise way she humoured john mcCain an' got on the guy's nice side all tole?
i am going to stock up on popcorn for the microwave! i be in total politico bliss as thah two ex-govs go at it?

Smitty
12-29-2010, 12:24 PM
Palin will only attack Romney if she is told to do so by her neocon handlers.

Agorism
12-29-2010, 12:29 PM
Nothing is random in politics.

Well we have to agree to disagree. Everything is random with Palin in my opinion.

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:30 PM
is it karl rove or dick cheney who is pulling bill kristol's GOP fatcat friendly strings?
is the GOP about to fragment if DIVINE SARAH wins votes in the primaries? can this
feud that has michael steele being doubted actually allow RON PAUL an opening???

Smitty
12-29-2010, 12:31 PM
Well we have to agree to disagree. Everything is random with Palin in my opinion.

uh-uh,....not since this.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2008/09/02/4438215-palin-meets-with-aipac

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:34 PM
sarah palin falls short of chaos theory. she's merely revamping teddy roosevelt's bullmoose party of 1912!
the odds are 50/50 she either gets to the white house or is often namedropped the way harold stassen is!!!

Sola_Fide
12-29-2010, 12:35 PM
I don't think Palin is part of some grand conspiracy (however, if you guys haven't read about Hickel, please do).

I think Palin is all over the map...she will say she agrees with libertarians in one sentence, and with socialists in the next sentence. She strikes me as someone who doesn't know what she really believes...

Brian4Liberty
12-29-2010, 12:40 PM
Kristol hasn't really "soured", he is just unhappy with her TV show, which he feels is hurting her.

The Dana Perino comment was interesting. Why would she bring that up? Is she really that dense? Bill Kristol is sitting there grinning from ear to ear, because he and/or his friends write those Op/Eds for Palin. Assuming she isn't dense, and knows exactly who writes Palin's Op/Eds, that looked a like a shot across the bow from the forces that don't want Palin to run. No doubt Perino is a Jeb supporter, but who else is she backing? Romney? Pence? Christie? Apparently it isn't Palin...one thing about Palin, she is an unknown when it comes to Wall St. They don't trust her to be as friendly to them as Obama...

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:40 PM
richard nixon, franklin delano roosevelt and william jennings bryan could oftenhappily pose
as cause related politicians but were known for their ability to roam the wide open spaces...

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:42 PM
Brian4Liberty has stumbled on three alarming letters when seen in sequence... "J" -- "E" -- "B"
he may run in 2016 as a sociological test of whether half the american public borders on ADD

Romulus
12-29-2010, 12:49 PM
I don't think Palin is part of some grand conspiracy (however, if you guys haven't read about Hickel, please do).

I think Palin is all over the map...she will say she agrees with libertarians in one sentence, and with socialists in the next sentence. She strikes me as someone who doesn't know what she really believes...

Agreed. She comes off as a typical Republican who supports conflicting messages (ie. small government and our empire building) Kristol is just pissed cause she's not fully controlled or full on Neocon.

Aratus
12-29-2010, 12:50 PM
if someone wants bush bro Jeb to run in 2016, are they about to concede 2012 to barack obama,
knowing full well that minority leader mitch mcconnell is thusly coming into his own in the senate???
the disUnity inside the top levels of the GOP that thah "W" had once conn+texas hogg~tied is suspect.