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Anti Federalist
12-27-2010, 07:43 PM
From earlier in the month, I hope this wasn't already posted.


Sex offender registries: They’re not just for sex offenders anymore

http://thelegalwatchdog.blogspot.com/2010/12/sex-offender-registries-theyre-not-just.html

Our nation’s preoccupation with tracking sex offenders comes at a high cost. Between the fifty states and the federal government, we’re spending hundreds of millions of dollars on sex offender registries each year, in addition to the billions spent on incarceration and community supervision. However, these registries aren’t all they’re cracked-up to be, in part because they’re flooded with useless information. For each violent rapist, a registry may contain dozens of teenagers who had consensual sex with younger teens, and dozens of other teens who were convicted of “sexting,” urinating in public, or similar behavior. But, perhaps the biggest problem with sex offender registries is that they’re not just for sex-related crimes anymore.

In addition to dramatically expanding what constitutes a “sex crime,” many states have boldly crossed the line and require registration for crimes that aren’t remotely related to sex, pornography, or even public urination. An excellent example of this trend can be found in the Wisconsin case of State v. Smith, where Smith, a 17-year-old boy, made another 17-year-old boy go with him to collect a debt. Smith was convicted of felony false imprisonment for this behavior and, because his “prisoner” was a minor, the state forced Smith to register as a sex offender. (Smith, also 17-years-old, was not considered a minor. Wisconsin considers accused 17-year-olds to be adults.)

Everyone agreed that Smith’s behavior was completely non-sexual. In fact, his obvious motivation in taking his fellow 17-year-old to collect the debt was purely financial. Despite this, Wisconsin’s highest court rejected Smith’s commonsense argument that “the purpose of the sex offender registry is to protect the public from sex offenders.”

Instead, the court held, even people accused of non-sex crimes can be forced to register, because it could assist law enforcement.


To their credit, two justices—Justice Ann Walsh Bradley and Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson—dissented from this absurd decision. They made what should have been obvious points:

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First, the court’s decision harms the public interest. Sex offender registries become useless when they are “clogged by offenders” who were never even accused, let alone convicted, of a sex crime or even a quasi-sex crime.


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Second, there is no “rational basis” for branding this 17-year-old boy as a sex offender for his completely non-sexual behavior. Instead, this is an “arbitrary action of government,” and violates Smith’s constitutional rights.


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Third, with this kind of overeager, irrational government action, no one is safe. The dissenters warned that, under the court’s reasoning, even traffic offenders will soon be swept into the registry, because doing so would “advance the purpose of assisting law enforcement,” thus satisfying the court’s new test.


This Wisconsin case seems to be part of a larger theme. We elect politicians to government—Wisconsin elects not only its legislators but also its high court justices—and then these politicians act in absurd ways that often go unnoticed by most of us. In this example, the legislature drafted a ridiculously broad law, the high court rubber-stamped it, and then the legislature failed to correct the problem after the fact.

However, today’s political climate—which consists of billion dollar annual deficits and a somewhat anti-government sentiment in the air—provides the perfect opportunity for state legislators around the country to bring reason back to government. Now is the time for them to use examples like State v. Smith to try to reform these overly inclusive, irrational sex offender laws. We’d all be better off for their efforts.

coastie
12-27-2010, 07:50 PM
Not surprised by any of this anymore.

Anti Federalist
12-27-2010, 08:33 PM
Not surprised by any of this anymore.

I know, I know, my WTF is all used up as well.

Pulled without shame from Radley Balko's site:

For all those suffering "outrage fatigue", Merry Christmas, here's a pile of baby otters sleeping:

http://assets.theagitator.com/wp-content/uploads/CM-Capture-28.jpg

1000-points-of-fright
12-27-2010, 08:47 PM
I know, I know, my WTF is all used up as well.

Then allow me....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/cholomite/RPWTF.jpg

Philhelm
12-27-2010, 09:47 PM
I too suffer from outrage fatigue. Perhaps that's part of the plan.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
12-27-2010, 09:57 PM
I simply have no capacity for any more outrage so I just focused on the baby otters and now I feel much better except now I really want a pet otter.

Kylie
12-27-2010, 10:17 PM
I simply have no capacity for any more outrage so I just focused on the baby otters and now I feel much better except now I really want a pet otter.

Yep! I'm there too!

Dang those little buggers are the cutest things!

TNforPaul45
12-27-2010, 10:27 PM
To quote Rahm Emmanuel: "Never let a good Totalitarian Citizen Tracking system go to waste."

kahless
12-27-2010, 10:40 PM
I do not have a problem with having a sex offender registry for those convicted, but obviously they should not be polluting the database.

Anti Federalist
12-27-2010, 10:45 PM
I do not have a problem with having a sex offender registry for those convicted, but obviously they should not be polluting the database.

Then you can't really bitch about what it's become, once granting the premise.

You are either a dangerous sex offender, and should be kept in prison, or you have done your time, and don't deserve to placed on some extra-penal punishment list, that will keep you from working or finding a place to live, thereby increasing the odds that you'll just commit another crime.

It would be small comfort to me, to be a victim of sex crime and know that, "gee, here he was, on the list, that was easy".

heavenlyboy34
12-27-2010, 10:53 PM
Well, we have a rather interesting breed of police state fascism growing like bacteria in an amalgam dish, don't we? :P :mad: As others above have mentioned, the shit is so thick my outrage meter is about shot. I'm glad folks here keep posting so I can keep up with the madness, tho. Thnx, Anti-Fed.

Anti Federalist
12-27-2010, 11:55 PM
Well, we have a rather interesting breed of police state fascism growing like bacteria in an amalgam dish, don't we? :P :mad: As others above have mentioned, the shit is so thick my outrage meter is about shot. I'm glad folks here keep posting so I can keep up with the madness, tho. Thnx, Anti-Fed.

That's a good way of putting it HB, it's a nasty, virulent little bugger, isn't it?

I'm wondering where this will all end up, the historical examples lead to killing fields, gulags and death camps.

Or will this morph into some new, unknown, horrorshow?

Or will it just all quietly dry up and blow away on the winds of bankruptcy and insolvency?

Anti Federalist
12-27-2010, 11:57 PM
If the baby otters were not enough, here's sleeping kittens:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/181/472944900_b63519bb00.jpg

heavenlyboy34
12-28-2010, 12:35 AM
That's a good way of putting it HB, it's a nasty, virulent little bugger, isn't it?

I'm wondering where this will all end up, the historical examples lead to killing fields, gulags and death camps.

Or will this morph into some new, unknown, horrorshow?

Or will it just all quietly dry up and blow away on the winds of bankruptcy and insolvency?

I envision a new Amerika not unlike the dystopian world of Zamyatin's novel "We" (avilable free at mises.org, btw). The police-who are already have the lethal force of many nation's entire militaries-will be something like the Guardians. They will be Upholders Of The One State Laws masquerading as protectors. Mundanes who dare challenge the regime will be eliminated-either literally or put in a cage. The big difference between the Amerikan police State and the Soviet one is that the Soviets weren't nearly so high-tech and well armed. The Soviets could make an Enemy of the State "disappear", but they simply didn't have the firepower (and enormous financing thanks to Federal intervention) to do what modern cops do. Now that we live in an age where it is so easy to take pictures and share them, I don't think there will be obvious gulags or torture chambers. They will be smaller and dispersed throughout the country. They will look much like well-manicured medical facilities or government buildings. Boobus Americanus will be busy watching his giant TV and getting obese while cheering murders of foreigners in illegal wars to even care. As Orwell said, "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever". IMHO, the only way this could be prevented is if foreign lenders quit lending to the government and financing its insanity. I personally am doing what I can to prepare for a SHTF scenario like that. I'm not too far from the border, so that's a possible escape route.

amy31416
12-28-2010, 03:59 AM
I know, I know, my WTF is all used up as well.

Pulled without shame from Radley Balko's site:

For all those suffering "outrage fatigue", Merry Christmas, here's a pile of baby otters sleeping:

http://assets.theagitator.com/wp-content/uploads/CM-Capture-28.jpg

Those look like they'd make some awesome slippers.....

Anyone outraged now?

Noob
12-28-2010, 04:02 AM
Why the TSA agents have not been place on the list yet?

fisharmor
12-28-2010, 07:49 AM
What, no dissenting opinions yet?
Does it fall to me to spout the usual fallacies?

Ok -
You're all overreacting!
Police have a tough job to do! This makes it easier for them to protect us as we sleep!
If you don't want to be an a sex offender list, don't commit a crime!
If you don't like it, vote the bastards out!

tangent4ronpaul
12-28-2010, 07:59 AM
Those look like they'd make some awesome slippers.....

Anyone outraged now?

YES!

-t

Philhelm
12-28-2010, 09:53 AM
Those look like they'd make some awesome slippers.....

Anyone outraged now?

No...but then, I was thinking about how clubbable they are.

S.Shorland
12-28-2010, 10:12 AM
I know, I know, my WTF is all used up as well.

Pulled without shame from Radley Balko's site:

For all those suffering "outrage fatigue", Merry Christmas, here's a pile of baby otters sleeping:

http://assets.theagitator.com/wp-content/uploads/CM-Capture-28.jpg

There's a lot of blood around their noses.I think it's more likely they were drowned and then dried to facilitate the picture.

amy31416
12-28-2010, 10:13 AM
No...but then, I was thinking about how clubbable they are.

That came to mind too, but then I remembered that I try to reserve that for baby seals.....and they'd make better boots.

TonySutton
12-28-2010, 10:17 AM
This is way off topic but considering some of the comments on otters I felt the need to share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ_Krei6EKw