View Full Version : Obama praises Eagles for signing convicted dog fight operator
cindy25
12-27-2010, 06:52 PM
this bastard should still be in jail, his victims didn't get a 2nd chance
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1012/obama_is_glad_eagles_signed_vick.html
RonPaulFanInGA
12-27-2010, 07:13 PM
Obama praises Eagles for signing murderer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#Victim
All jurisdictions require that the victim be a natural person; that is a human being who was still alive at the time of being murdered. In other words, under the law, one cannot murder a cadaver, a corporation, a non-human animal, or any other non-human organism.
james1906
12-27-2010, 07:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#Victim
He's still a piece of shit. Pete Rose is banned for life for gambling, while this guy is allowed to return to playing and make millions again. Pro sports has fucked up ethics.
ctnjason
12-27-2010, 07:31 PM
the NFL (or any pro sports organization) is a business. ANY business has a target audience. The target audience is those that the business thinks will SPEND MONEY on their product. Those who spend their money for eagles tickets, 150 dollar jerseys, 9 dollar beers, etc want Michael Vick. I find this very sad indeed but its business.
IF i go out tomorrow and get into some michael vick shit, i will go to go to jail / prison etc and if and when i get out into the real world again, fill out a job application that asks have i ever been convicted of a crime...... Michael Vick doesnt have to worry about that because he is a famous entertainer.
Im actually not mad at Vick himself. He did his crime / time / etc. Im more discouraged at the law of supply and demand towards his product. Vick would still be sitting in prison if there were not sold out stadiums paying 9 dollar beers to see him play. The economy has definetly not soured as long as NFL stadiums are sold out and players could care less if they win or lose. The day after getting blown out 49-0, the player will cash a $200,000 paycheck.
agitator
12-27-2010, 07:35 PM
"Murderer?" FFS. We are talking about animals.
ctnjason
12-27-2010, 07:38 PM
"Murderer?" FFS. We are talking about animals.
In korea they are not animals...... they are DINNER lol
cindy25
12-27-2010, 07:42 PM
when police murder a dog no one objects to them being called a murderer; but when a football player does the same thing times hundreds its dog fighting ring operator-why the double standard? how about "dog killer"?
brandon
12-27-2010, 07:49 PM
Nice political move by Obama. He's gonna need the black vote in philly to have any chance of winning PA again. What a dirty game.
agitator
12-27-2010, 07:51 PM
when police murder [kill] a dog no one objects to them being called a murderer; but when a football player does the same thing times hundreds its dog fighting ring operator-why the double standard? how about "dog killer"?
Police killing their own dog or someone elses?
ctnjason
12-27-2010, 07:52 PM
when police murder a dog no one objects to them being called a murderer; but when a football player does the same thing times hundreds its dog fighting ring operator-why the double standard? how about "dog killer"?
one huge difference is 99% of the time, the cop comes INTO MY HOME and murders my dog. Michael Vick was doing it on his own property.
I dont agree with what he did. I think its disgusting. With his money i couldve found other ways to get my kicks. Without government intervention and laws, he wouldve been able to do freely whatever he wanted as long as he wanted. Starting tomorrow if i find it offensinve that people breed crickets to sell for fishbait, can they be charged with michael vick like charges? Arent they going to be murdered at the hands of hungry fish and profit to the cricket breeders/fishbait pimps??
agitator
12-27-2010, 07:55 PM
one huge difference is 99% of the time, the cop comes INTO MY HOME and murders my dog. Michael Vick was doing it on his own property.
I dont agree with what he did. I think its disgusting. With his money i couldve found other ways to get my kicks. Without government intervention and laws, he wouldve been able to do freely whatever he wanted as long as he wanted. Starting tomorrow if i find it offensinve that people breed crickets to sell for fishbait, can they be charged with michael vick like charges? Arent they going to be murdered at the hands of hungry fish and profit to the cricket breeders/fishbait pimps??
Think of all those "murdered" mice that pet stores sell to feed pet snakes!!!
ctnjason
12-27-2010, 07:58 PM
Think of all those "murdered" mice that pet stores sell to feed pet snakes!!!
Yes starting today, im going to form a group and go after mice breeders. how do they MAKE them reproduce? Just like vicks "rape stands".
Im gonna call it the Mice Of Murder Waiting To Feed Snakes ..... or MOMWTF!
cindy25
12-27-2010, 07:58 PM
Michael Vick's crime was far worse than that of Pete Rose, and dog fighting involves illegal gambling. Pete Rose banned for life for betting on a few games, Michael Vick praised by the president for killing hundreds of dogs as part of his gambling scheme. and treated as a hero by all of Philly.
worst example of double standard I have seen. what's next-a pardon and a seat in congress? a guy gets five years for reading his wife's e-mail, and this sociopath Vick is a hero?
and this is not racial; Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for misdemeanor not filing a piece of paper (he paid his taxes), more time than a violent felon like Vick.
who would feel more comfortable living next to? Vick or Snipes?
speciallyblend
12-27-2010, 08:00 PM
this bastard should still be in jail, his victims didn't get a 2nd chance
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1012/obama_is_glad_eagles_signed_vick.html
ok when i hear folks say this , i say become a judge. he did his time!
ctnjason
12-27-2010, 08:05 PM
Michael Vick's crime was far worse than that of Pete Rose, and dog fighting involves illegal gambling. Pete Rose banned for life for betting on a few games, Michael Vick praised by the president for killing hundreds of dogs as part of his gambling scheme. and treated as a hero by all of Philly.
worst example of double standard I have seen. what's next-a pardon and a seat in congress? a guy gets five years for reading his wife's e-mail, and this sociopath Vick is a hero?
and this is not racial; Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for misdemeanor not filing a piece of paper (he paid his taxes), more time than a violent felon like Vick.
who would feel more comfortable living next to? Vick or Snipes?
with a Mossberg 500 in my closet, i wouldnt mind living next to vick, snipes, you, or anyone else. I guarantee the people living in Vicks neighborhood could care less either. They are all set who is in their gated community as long as they pay their association fees.
JustinTime
12-27-2010, 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by ctnjason
one huge difference is 99% of the time, the cop comes INTO MY HOME and murders my dog. Michael Vick was doing it on his own property.
I dont agree with what he did. I think its disgusting. With his money i couldve found other ways to get my kicks. Without government intervention and laws, he wouldve been able to do freely whatever he wanted as long as he wanted. Starting tomorrow if i find it offensinve that people breed crickets to sell for fishbait, can they be charged with michael vick like charges? Arent they going to be murdered at the hands of hungry fish and profit to the cricket breeders/fishbait pimps??
Think of all those "murdered" mice that pet stores sell to feed pet snakes!!!
Theres a big difference between someone who kills animals for a reason, like feeding themselves or other animals, and someone who electrocutes and lynches them for fun. The dog fighting doesnt bother me nearly as much as the pointless murder of them for the hell of it.
ctnjason
12-27-2010, 09:57 PM
Theres a big difference between someone who kills animals for a reason, like feeding themselves or other animals, and someone who electrocutes and lynches them for fun. The dog fighting doesnt bother me nearly as much as the pointless murder of them for the hell of it.
it was all for gambling / profit. When the dog was no longer good for vick's agenda, he was killed. When vick gets a career-ending injury, the NFL will dump him along with nike/ gatorade / etc. They may not murder vick per se but he will definetly be taken off the stage when he cant dance anymore.
guitarlifter
12-27-2010, 10:43 PM
Michael Vick's crime was far worse than that of Pete Rose, and dog fighting involves illegal gambling. Pete Rose banned for life for betting on a few games, Michael Vick praised by the president for killing hundreds of dogs as part of his gambling scheme. and treated as a hero by all of Philly.
worst example of double standard I have seen. what's next-a pardon and a seat in congress? a guy gets five years for reading his wife's e-mail, and this sociopath Vick is a hero?
and this is not racial; Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for misdemeanor not filing a piece of paper (he paid his taxes), more time than a violent felon like Vick.
who would feel more comfortable living next to? Vick or Snipes?
Firstly, I'm going to pull a post from another threat that I just posted in to help my argument:
Animals have no rights. It is unfair and inconsistent to give different rights to one animal over another such as a dog over a chicken because dogs are "pets," and chickens are "food." I have had pet chickens before, and they lived in my very own room when I was a kid. I would drag them along in a cart behind me in the back yard, and the chickens would follow me like I was their parent. In oriental countries, cats and dogs are regularly eaten as well. It is silly to give one animal species rights over another. What, is one more rational than the other? Is it because one is cuter or more cuddly/fuzzy than the other? Cats and dogs get rights and people go nuts if others use them as fish bait, but worms and crickets can be used as fish bait? Is it because of size? Do whales have more rights than mice? What about the rights of ants? Don't they get any rights? Kids should be locked up and have the key thrown out because of the millions of ants that they kill daily. Wait, if certain animals have rights, isn't it our responsibility to intervene in the wild and punish animals for killing other animals? That must be it, right? This is all wrong. Any role that an animal takes in peoples' lives does not change the rights of an animal. It doesn't matter how big, cute or common an animal is. Just because you like a certain animal, doesn't mean that it magically gains rights. To do this is to believe in a neoconservative philosophy where, if they don't like something, they make it illegal. Animals are not rational beings, and they cannot grasp the concepts necessary to be rational, thus disqualifying all animals for rights. People try to give animals rights, but they only do this out of emotion and not out of any logical philosophy. Therefore, any kind of animal fight should be legal so long as the owners have consented to the fight. Humans are fully rational beings, thus qualifying for rights. This is why we have rights. It isn't because we are cute, fuzzy or larger than other animals. It's because of rationality.
As for the torturing of animals, this has to be legal as well in order for a consistent philosophy to take hold. Again, animals have no rights, so we owe them nothing in terms of rights. That doesn't mean that a person's life couldn't be drastically affected by torturing animals. In a free society, the torturer's community could deny any interaction with this person, which includes products, services or even entrance into facilities. Hell, private road and park owners could deny that person the convenience of driving on their roads or entering their parks. Flyers could be put up everywhere, letting people know about this animal abuser as long as the story is absolutely true. It would be completely legal to do all of these things in reaction to the torturing of animals, and this person would likely be quite bothered by it, possibly to the point of stopping because it's just not worth it.
Think rationally, and use consistency to create a philosophy. Don't let emotion come into play.
With that said, and, with no exceptions, no animal species has any rights whatsoever. This means that, as long as an animal isn't someone else's property, it can have anything done to it for any reason. Michael Vick committed no crime. His rights were constitutionally violated because he didn't actually commit a crime. According to the constitution, a person may do so as they please so long as they do not violate anyone else's rights. Michael Vick did no such thing, and all rational beings involved consented to every last bit of it.
Further more, gambling isn't inherently wrong either, considering that all parties involve consent to it. As long as no one's constitutional rights are violated, any type of gambling should be legal. I'm sorry, but your argument is fallacious because of its inconsistency. Philosophy has no place for emotionally-driven deliberation.
noxagol
12-27-2010, 10:55 PM
Firstly, I'm going to pull a post from another threat that I just posted in to help my argument:
With that said, and, with no exceptions, no animal species has any rights whatsoever. This means that, as long as an animal isn't someone else's property, it can have anything done to it for any reason. Michael Vick committed no crime. His rights were constitutionally violated because he didn't actually commit a crime. According to the constitution, a person may do so as they please so long as they do not violate anyone else's rights. Michael Vick did no such thing, and all rational beings involved consented to every last bit of it.
Further more, gambling isn't inherently wrong either, considering that all parties involve consent to it. As long as no one's constitutional rights are violated, any type of gambling should be legal. I'm sorry, but your argument is fallacious because of its inconsistency. Philosophy has no place for emotionally-driven deliberation.
Seconded.
mport1
12-27-2010, 10:56 PM
this bastard should still be in jail, his victims didn't get a 2nd chance
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1012/obama_is_glad_eagles_signed_vick.html
What are you talking about? He should have never even been arrested. No victim, no crime.
squarepusher
12-27-2010, 11:19 PM
all all for redemption and second chances
cindy25
12-28-2010, 12:00 AM
error-please delete
cindy25
12-28-2010, 12:02 AM
ok when i hear folks say this , i say become a judge. he did his time!
so did Pete Rose, and Jim Trafficant.
Adolfo Mena Gonzalez
12-28-2010, 12:08 AM
Firstly, I'm going to pull a post from another threat that I just posted in to help my argument:
With that said, and, with no exceptions, no animal species has any rights whatsoever. This means that, as long as an animal isn't someone else's property, it can have anything done to it for any reason. Michael Vick committed no crime. His rights were constitutionally violated because he didn't actually commit a crime. According to the constitution, a person may do so as they please so long as they do not violate anyone else's rights. Michael Vick did no such thing, and all rational beings involved consented to every last bit of it.
Further more, gambling isn't inherently wrong either, considering that all parties involve consent to it. As long as no one's constitutional rights are violated, any type of gambling should be legal. I'm sorry, but your argument is fallacious because of its inconsistency. Philosophy has no place for emotionally-driven deliberation.
Lol, please cite the clause in the Constitution guaranteeing the right of an individual to engage in dog fighting and gambling? Quite frankly, you should leave your nonsense on rational beings and voluntary consent for the back pages of some anarchist blog. Your philosophy is not in line with a civilized Constitutional Society. The fact is, states most certainly have the power to regulate things like gambling and dog fighting, through the tenth amendment, and when a crime goes across state lines, as per the commerce clause, it becomes a federal felony as the federal government has the right to regulate commerce between(not within) states.
BamaAla
12-28-2010, 12:09 AM
Pete Rose played baseball in a league called Major League Baseball; he accepted a lifetime ban for gambling on (an perhaps against) a team that he was managing. Michael Vick plays football in the National Football League and was convicted of a "crime" outside of the sport. The two situations are not analogous.
speciallyblend
12-28-2010, 12:12 AM
so did Pete Rose, and Jim Trafficant.
and pete rose and jim trafficant are not michael vick!!
cindy25
12-28-2010, 12:22 AM
and pete rose and jim trafficant are not michael vick!!
why is Michael Vick so special that normal moral values do not apply to him; 2nd chance-yes, out of prison but not as a hero. and this is what he is to millions.
he will do something violent again, sociopaths don't change that easily
payme_rick
12-28-2010, 08:45 AM
What Vick did was disgusting to me... But whether you agree it should be a crime or not he did serve his time, and his former employer rehired him...
Has he really changed for the better? Only time will tell, but as a fan of the game it is nothing short of amazing to me to see a guy who missed 3 seasons come in and do as well as he's done...
And the Pete Rose comparison is way off: two different sports, leagues and "crimes"... There can't be a double-standard there...
Slutter McGee
12-28-2010, 08:47 AM
why is Michael Vick so special that normal moral values do not apply to him; 2nd chance-yes, out of prison but not as a hero. and this is what he is to millions.
he will do something violent again, sociopaths don't change that easily
What is he to millions? The guy barely flicks his wrist and throws a football 70 yards. It is incredible. People place a monetary value on the entertainment he provides through his skills. The guy was convicted of and served time for his crime. Apparently social norms do apply to him. This isn't some corrupt CEO making millions who never gets busted.
So what is he? He is entertainment. What is he? A function of the free market is what he is.
Slutter McGee
mport1
12-28-2010, 10:50 AM
Lol, please cite the clause in the Constitution guaranteeing the right of an individual to engage in dog fighting and gambling? Quite frankly, you should leave your nonsense on rational beings and voluntary consent for the back pages of some anarchist blog. Your philosophy is not in line with a civilized Constitutional Society. The fact is, states most certainly have the power to regulate things like gambling and dog fighting, through the tenth amendment, and when a crime goes across state lines, as per the commerce clause, it becomes a federal felony as the federal government has the right to regulate commerce between(not within) states.
You don't understand the purpose of the constitution. It is not to enumerate all of our rights, but to restrain the government. The constitution does not give us rights, we poses them by virtue of being a human being. We have a right to property which included using our property in any way we see fit so long as it does not violate another person or their property. Dog fighting and gambling both involve use of personal property which does not violate the rights of anybody else so it should be legal.
MelissaCato
12-28-2010, 11:06 AM
Cute political move by Obama. Doesn't mean anything though. It's all his suporters being the Haters. LMAO Desperate time's. LOL
GO GO Eagles !!!! MV7 taking da Eagles 2 da SUPERBOWL !!!
Bleed The Green !!!!
Slutter McGee
12-28-2010, 11:17 AM
Cute political move by Obama. Doesn't mean anything though. It's all his suporters being the Haters. LMAO Desperate time's. LOL
GO GO Eagles !!!! MV7 taking da Eagles 2 da SUPERBOWL !!!
Bleed The Green !!!!
Eagles Fans - The only fans that would pelt Santa with snowballs. Wait a second....They actually did pelt Santa with snowballs.
Slutter McGee
Adolfo Mena Gonzalez
12-28-2010, 12:46 PM
You don't understand the purpose of the constitution. It is not to enumerate all of our rights, but to restrain the government. The constitution does not give us rights, we poses them by virtue of being a human being. We have a right to property which included using our property in any way we see fit so long as it does not violate another person or their property. Dog fighting and gambling both involve use of personal property which does not violate the rights of anybody else so it should be legal.
The point of the Constitution was to restrict the powers of the Federal Government, enumerate certain guaranteed rights and leave most powers in the hands of the state. Your opinion may be that human beings have absolute free reign outside of murdering or stealing form one another, but it no more than your opinion, and the Constitution guarantees no absolute right to property. The only amendments which mention property in any way are the 4th and 5th Amendments, which protect against warrantless seizures without probable cause and protect the government from seizing your property without just compensation. The point of the Constitution was not to restrain the states, it was to empower the states and local governments. You may think killing dogs and gambling should be legal, and in fact a state has the right to make these things legal, and while I may favor legalizing the latter, me and most people oppose legalizing dog fighting, so I doubt your perverted view will garner any support anytime soon.
i haven't posted in a while, but on this one i have to side with O-bomb-er and those in the who-the-fuck-cares camp. and i would add that i am on the "all dogs go to heaven" side even though i am an agnostic.
plus, Vick is very enjoyable to watch.
pahs1994
12-28-2010, 02:54 PM
Eagles Fans - The only fans that would pelt Santa with snowballs. Wait a second....They actually did pelt Santa with snowballs.
Slutter McGee
Yea and we would do it again if he ever shows his face at the Linc! :D
Captain Shays
12-28-2010, 03:59 PM
"Eagles Fans - The only fans that would pelt Santa with snowballs. Wait a second....They actually did pelt Santa with snowballs.
Slutter McGee"
Yeah 40 years ago. We're also the city that Cliff Lee chose to come to above anywhere else even though he was offered $40 million more. We ain't that bad
Captain Shays
12-28-2010, 04:07 PM
I will say this. Michael Vick is not the same person who tortured dogs. He's not the same person who had a lousy work ethic and a horrible attitude in Atlanta. When he went to prison he viewed it as something that "happened to him". At some point while he was in there he realized what he had done was wrong. Now he sees it as something he did to himself. I live here in Philly (well really South Jersey which is part of Philly Metro-6 miles away actually) and I have heard Vick talk about it plenty of times and I for one am convinced to my bones that he takes full responsibility for his actions, that he's truly remorseful about the pain that he caused to those dogs, and that he gets it now.
To see a man change his ways and to overcome something, especially when he did it to himself is not only remarkable but quite admirable. I would respect and admire him even if he wasn't doing so well in professional sports.
"Eagles Fans - The only fans that would pelt Santa with snowballs. Wait a second....They actually did pelt Santa with snowballs.
Slutter McGee"
Yeah 40 years ago. We're also the city that Cliff Lee chose to come to above anywhere else even though he was offered $40 million more. We ain't that bad
According to your governor you're a bunch of wussies :)
- ESPN did a segment on the Santa incident that was pretty cool (evidently Santa decided he didn't want to show up for the game so they got some kid from the crowd). my favorite part of the story is that Santa claims he told one of the folks throwing snowballs at him that he would not be getting a visit from Santa this year.
Bruno
12-28-2010, 04:09 PM
Once again, Obama just couldn't keep his mouth shut.
Captain Shays
12-28-2010, 04:30 PM
Not to our faces
Slutter McGee
12-28-2010, 04:44 PM
"Eagles Fans - The only fans that would pelt Santa with snowballs. Wait a second....They actually did pelt Santa with snowballs.
Slutter McGee"
Yeah 40 years ago. We're also the city that Cliff Lee chose to come to above anywhere else even though he was offered $40 million more. We ain't that bad
I hate the Phillies also. But I have to hand it to you. That is gonna be one hell of a pitching rotation this next year. In a small way I am glad Texas didn't sign him. Phillies are making a large enough profit that if his production drops they are still financially ok. Texas would be screwed for the next 10 years with a contract that big, should something happen. That being said, I still wish we had signed him. But he didn't go to the Yankees. Yay.
Sincerley,
Slutter McGee
Freedom 4 all
12-28-2010, 04:50 PM
I can think of WAY worse people out there than Michael Vick. Quite frankly I think a huge fine payable to some kind of animal rescue organization would have been far more appropriate than jail time. He's not a threat to society, and I wouldn't even need a Mossberg 500 to feel safe living next to him. Keep in mind that Leonard Little killed a young HUMAN mother while driving drunk and he still plays in the NFL. Bill Bellickeck straight up cheated to win the Superbowl and he's still a coach. It would be downright hypocritical to exclude Vick just for fighting some dogs.
Captain Shays
12-28-2010, 05:11 PM
"I hate the Phillies also. But I have to hand it to you. That is gonna be one hell of a pitching rotation this next year. In a small way I am glad Texas didn't sign him. Phillies are making a large enough profit that if his production drops they are still financially ok. Texas would be screwed for the next 10 years with a contract that big, should something happen. That being said, I still wish we had signed him. But he didn't go to the Yankees. Yay.
Sincerley,
Slutter McGee"
Why do you hate the Phillies? What did we ever do to you guys except maybe take Lee away from you? (snicker snicker). I can't tell you how excited we are to have a rotation like this!!!!! Historic! Now all we need to do is hit the ball and give them some run support. Our fourth starter in the rotation was third last year in strikeouts behind Lincicum and Halliday and with 50 less innings than Halladay. We do agree on one thing though. At least Lee didn't go to NY. Story is they threw beer on Lee's wife and called her a slut. I guess that's not worth an extra $40 Million.
Slutter McGee
12-28-2010, 05:11 PM
According to your governor you're a bunch of wussies :)
- ESPN did a segment on the Santa incident that was pretty cool (evidently Santa decided he didn't want to show up for the game so they got some kid from the crowd). my favorite part of the story is that Santa claims he told one of the folks throwing snowballs at him that he would not be getting a visit from Santa this year.
Yeah, I am a Cowboys fan...but not a huge NFL fan really. Like my MLB and college football
Slutter McGee
12-28-2010, 05:17 PM
Why do you hate the Phillies? What did we ever do to you guys except maybe take Lee away from you? (snicker snicker). I can't tell you how excited we are to have a rotation like this!!!!! Historic! Now all we need to do is hit the ball and give them some run support. Our fourth starter in the rotation was third last year in strikeouts behind Lincicum and Halliday and with 50 less innings than Halladay. We do agree on one thing though. At least Lee didn't go to NY. Story is they threw beer on Lee's wife and called her a slut. I guess that's not worth an extra $40 Million.
My hate is not pure like it is for the Yankees. Perhaps it was the wrong word. Basically I dislike any team in any sport from LA, New York, Philly, and San Fran. I am a Rangers, Stars, Spurs, Cowboys, and Texas Tech fan.
But yeah. That rotation, assuming they have run support, just might be historic. God, Oswalt is your third best pitcher for christsakes.
Sincerely,
Slutter McGee
JustinTime
12-28-2010, 11:03 PM
it was all for gambling / profit. When the dog was no longer good for vick's agenda, he was killed.
And Id be fine with that, if it was done in a somewhat humane way. Vick just tortured the dogs to death for the hell of it.
When vick gets a career-ending injury, the NFL will dump him along with nike/ gatorade / etc. They may not murder vick per se but he will definetly be taken off the stage when he cant dance anymore.
So what?
Bruno
12-28-2010, 11:15 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?274163-Karma-Vikings-beat-Eagles-(aka-Dog-Killers)-24-12
jmdrake
12-28-2010, 11:19 PM
He's still a piece of shit. Pete Rose is banned for life for gambling, while this guy is allowed to return to playing and make millions again. Pro sports has fucked up ethics.
There are several bad Pete Rose analogies. I'll pick on yours because yours it the first one. Pete Rose bet on baseball at a time that he was managing a baseball team. The implication is that such actions could have clouded his judgment. So far the evidence is that he never bet against his team. But that doesn't fully clear the issue. Say if Rose played a pitcher that was injured and should have been allowed to sit out a game just because he was afraid to lose some cash? No proof that this happened, but it's still a possibility. On the other hand Michael Vick's crime had nothing to do with football.
Freedom 4 all
12-29-2010, 01:26 AM
There are several bad Pete Rose analogies. I'll pick on yours because yours it the first one. Pete Rose bet on baseball at a time that he was managing a baseball team. The implication is that such actions could have clouded his judgment. So far the evidence is that he never bet against his team. But that doesn't fully clear the issue. Say if Rose played a pitcher that was injured and should have been allowed to sit out a game just because he was afraid to lose some cash? No proof that this happened, but it's still a possibility. On the other hand Michael Vick's crime had nothing to do with football.
As a huge die hard Rams fan, I feel obligated to point out that Bill Bellicheck did something WAY worse than Pete Rose by illegally spying on St, Louis practice sections and nothing came of it at all. That actually had to do with football and potentially was the deciding influencer of a superbowl.
DirtMcGirt
12-29-2010, 01:37 AM
Rooting against my eagles and watching Fox News for talking points means -rep!!!
The cool news is he totally lost my wifes vote by doing so (she voted for him in 2008). Got to wonder if PETA and such will actually turn their aim towards a liberal.
libertarian4321
12-29-2010, 01:40 AM
i haven't posted in a while, but on this one i have to side with O-bomb-er and those in the who-the-fuck-cares camp. and i would add that i am on the "all dogs go to heaven" side even though i am an agnostic.
plus, Vick is very enjoyable to watch.
I disagree.
As a Giants fan, I did not enjoy watching Vick's performance last week.
I also own dogs and contribute a lot of volunteer hours and money to shelters and other animal charities.
However, I do NOT have a problem with Vick being back in the NFL. He did his time in prison. He seems to have matured (both on the field and off). Why should he be denied a job in his chosen career field?
I wouldn't have a problem with a waitress or janitor or mechanic getting a job in his field after he did his time, why should Vick be any different?
I think the penalties for cruelty to animals should be longer than they are now, but once the person serves his time, he should be able to get on with his life.
MaxPower
12-29-2010, 03:50 AM
Vick suffered financial loss, public shame, humiliation, and jail-time for his crimes. It is surely not a constructive attitude that dictates that anyone who has been a criminal- even a heinous one- must be proverbially spat on and kept down for the rest of his or her life. He is a legitimately capable football player, and shunning him from the team will do no good of any kind; none of the dogs Michael Vick abused will heal or come back to life if he is kept out of football.
Vick suffered financial loss, public shame, humiliation, and jail-time for his crimes. It is surely not a constructive attitude that dictates that anyone who has been a criminal- even a heinous one- must be proverbially spat on and kept down for the rest of his or her life. He is a legitimately capable football player, and shunning him from the team will do no good of any kind; none of the dogs Michael Vick abused will heal or come back to life if he is kept out of football.
I personally don't advocate keeping him out of football, I advocate thinking of him as a piece of shit.
jmdrake
12-29-2010, 07:57 AM
As a huge die hard Rams fan, I feel obligated to point out that Bill Bellicheck did something WAY worse than Pete Rose by illegally spying on St, Louis practice sections and nothing came of it at all. That actually had to do with football and potentially was the deciding influencer of a superbowl.
Fine. The NFL should ban Bellicheck. Or better yet the American people should quit wasting so much money on professional sports. ;)
ARealConservative
12-29-2010, 11:17 PM
He's still a piece of shit. Pete Rose is banned for life for gambling, while this guy is allowed to return to playing and make millions again. Pro sports has fucked up ethics.
gambling on games he was a part of, putting the integrity of the sport in question.
ARealConservative
12-29-2010, 11:42 PM
Pro sports has fucked up ethics.
this transcends professional sports. people have fucked up ethics.
In a perfect world, Michael Vick wouldn't need to see a minute of jail time to suffer for the cruel things he did to animals. his suffering would be at the non-coercive hands of his peers.
We would choose freely to not support his nfl career. He would be seen as such a pariah, that nobody would want to employ him, let alone hang out with him.
but it isn't a perfect world. not even close. Instead, the total opposite is the reality. Employing Vick is not bad for business, it is good for business.
http://blogs.forbes.com/kurtbadenhausen/2010/12/20/michael-vick-jerseys-flying-off-shelves/
Is a shame that Women's Pro Football is not as big as the NFL.
http://hostedfootball.net/las_vegas_showgirlz/call_page.asp?page=Home&affiliation=HostedFootball&username=Las_Vegas_Showgirlz
libertarian4321
12-30-2010, 07:36 AM
Is a shame that Women's Pro Football is not as big as the NFL.
http://hostedfootball.net/las_vegas_showgirlz/call_page.asp?page=Home&affiliation=HostedFootball&username=Las_Vegas_Showgirlz
Yeah, it could be as popular as the WNBA with enough promotion.
Oh, wait, no one watches the WNBA, sorry...
You guys who are supporting Michael Vick make me sick. This man should be ostracized the rest of his life for what he did.
Captain Shays
12-30-2010, 11:00 AM
You guys who are supporting Michael Vick make me sick. This man should be ostracized the rest of his life for what he did.
That's all? Just ostracized the rest of his life? Maybe you could suggest more of a sentence for him? Possibly making him work as a trash man the rest of his life? Maybe if "we're" going to "let" him play football he shouldn't be "allowed" to show his face but must always wear his helmet? No TV interviews? No endorsements? Maybe we should force him to wear a pink dress in public?
TheBlackPeterSchiff
12-30-2010, 11:08 AM
NFL thrives off of ratings. If you hate him so much, dont watch him and dont buy his jerseys.
jmdrake
12-30-2010, 12:14 PM
You guys who are supporting Michael Vick make me sick. This man should be ostracized the rest of his life for what he did.
I know this forum is not Christian per say (and some here are hostile to Christianity) but two of the key concepts of Christianity are forgiveness and redemption. While I see no point in Obama getting involved in mundane stuff like the NFL, I do admire Tony Dungy for counseling Vick and helping him get back on his feet. Considering Ron Paul is a professed Christian I doubt he harbors such enduring hate in his heart for Michael Vick. I could be wrong though.
Captain Shays
12-30-2010, 05:32 PM
I know this forum is not Christian per say (and some here are hostile to Christianity) but two of the key concepts of Christianity are forgiveness and redemption. While I see no point in Obama getting involved in mundane stuff like the NFL, I do admire Tony Dungy for counseling Vick and helping him get back on his feet. Considering Ron Paul is a professed Christian I doubt he harbors such enduring hate in his heart for Michael Vick. I could be wrong though.
I for one think you're spot on Bro!! Bravo.
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