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Lord Xar
12-27-2010, 04:55 PM
Fact/Fiction?

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/149324



America in Decline: Why Germans Think We're Insane
By Democrats Ramshield, AlterNet
Posted on December 26, 2010, Printed on December 27, 2010
http://www.alternet.org/story/149324/

As an American expat living in the European Union, I’ve started to see America from a different perspective.

The European Union has a larger economy and more people than America does. Though it spends less -- right around 9 percent of GNP on medical, whereas we in the U.S. spend close to between 15 to 16 percent of GNP on medical -- the EU pretty much insures 100 percent of its population.

The U.S. has 59 million people medically uninsured; 132 million without dental insurance; 60 million without paid sick leave; 40 million on food stamps. Everybody in the European Union has cradle-to-grave access to universal medical and a dental plan by law. The law also requires paid sick leave; paid annual leave; paid maternity leave. When you realize all of that, it becomes easy to understand why many Europeans think America has gone insane.

Der Spiegel has run an interesting feature called "A Superpower in Decline," which attempts to explain to a German audience such odd phenomena as the rise of the Tea Party, without the hedging or attempts at "balance" found in mainstream U.S. media. On the Tea Parties:

Full of Hatred: "The Tea Party, that group of white, older voters who claim that they want their country back, is angry. Fox News host Glenn Beck, a recovering alcoholic who likens Obama to Adolf Hitler, is angry. Beck doesn't quite know what he wants to be -- maybe a politician, maybe president, maybe a preacher -- and he doesn't know what he wants to do, either, or least he hasn't come up with any specific ideas or plans. But he is full of hatred."

The piece continues with the sobering assessment that America’s actual unemployment rate isn’t really 10 percent, but close to 20 percent when we factor in the number of people who have stopped looking for work.

Some social scientists think that making sure large-scale crime or fascism never takes root in Europe again requires a taxpayer investment in a strong social safety net. Can we learn from Europe? Isn't it better to invest in a social safety net than in a large criminal justice system? (In America over 2 million people are incarcerated.)

Jobless Benefits That Never Run Out

Unlike here, in Germany jobless benefits never run out. Not only that -- as part of their social safety net, all job seekers continue to be medically insured, as are their families.

In the German jobless benefit system, when "jobless benefit 1" runs out, "jobless benefit 2," also known as HartzIV, kicks in. That one never gets cut off. The jobless also have contributions made for their pensions. They receive other types of insurance coverage from the state. As you can imagine, the estimated 2 million unemployed Americans who almost had no benefits this Christmas seems a particular horror show to Europeans, made worse by the fact that the U.S. government does not provide any medical insurance to American unemployment recipients. Europeans routinely recoil at that in disbelief and disgust.

In another piece the Spiegel magazine steps away from statistics and tells the story of Pam Brown, who personifies what is coming to be known as the Nouveau American poor. Pam Brown was a former executive assistant on Wall Street, and her shocking decline has become part of the American story:

American society is breaking apart. Millions of people have lost their jobs and fallen into poverty. Among them, for the first time, are many middle-class families. Meet Pam Brown from New York, whose life changed overnight. The crisis caught her unprepared. "It was horrible," Pam Brown remembers. "Overnight I found myself on the wrong side of the fence. It never occurred to me that something like this could happen to me. I got very depressed." Brown sits in a cheap diner on West 14th Street in Manhattan, stirring her $1.35 coffee. That's all she orders -- it's too late for breakfast and too early for lunch. She also needs to save money. Until early 2009, Brown worked as an executive assistant on Wall Street, earning more than $80,000 a year, living in a six-bedroom house with her three sons. Today, she's long-term unemployed and has to make do with a tiny one-bedroom in the Bronx.

It's important to note that no country in the European Union uses food stamps in order to humiliate its disadvantaged citizens in the grocery checkout line. Even worse is the fact that even the humbling food stamp allotment may not provide enough food for America’s jobless families. So it is on a reoccurring basis that some of these families report eating out of garbage cans to the European media.

For Pam Brown, last winter was the worst. One day she ran out of food completely and had to go through trash cans. She fell into a deep depression ... For many, like Brown, the downfall is a Kafkaesque odyssey, a humiliation hard to comprehend. Help is not in sight: their government and their society have abandoned them.

Pam Brown and her children were disturbingly, indeed incomprehensibly, allowed to fall straight to the bottom. The richest country in the world becomes morally bankrupt when someone like Pam Brown and her children have to pick through trash to eat, abandoned with a callous disregard by the American government. People like Brown have found themselves dispossessed due to the robber baron actions of the Wall Street elite.

Hunger in the Land of the Big Mac

A shocking headline from a Swiss newspaper reads (Berner Zeitung) “Hunger in the Land of the Big Mac.” Though the article is in German, the pictures are worth 1,000 words and need no translation. Given the fact that the Swiss virtually eliminated hunger, how do we as Americans think they will view these pictures, to which the American population has apparently been desensitized.



This appears to be a picture of two mothers collecting food boxes from the charity Feed the Children.

Perhaps the only way for us to remember what we really look like in America is to see ourselves through the eyes of others. While it is true that we can all be proud Americans, surely we don't have to be proud of the broken American social safety net. Surely we can do better than that. Can a European-style social safety net rescue the American working and middle classes from GOP and Tea Party warfare?



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Heimdallr
12-27-2010, 05:23 PM
OK... I don't get it. What the hell was the point of that article? To stroke Germans' ego about how much better off they are? Was there any analysis of the REASON we're so much worse off? Is there any constructive element of this at all?

How can they have jobless benefits that "never run out"? This is making my head hurt.

Ekrub
12-27-2010, 05:26 PM
We prop up their social safety nets by allowing them to cut on defense spending as we have so many troops over in Europe.

Also, what great innovations besides different flavored beer has come out of Germany in the past 100 years?

1000-points-of-fright
12-27-2010, 05:35 PM
Also, what great innovations besides different flavored beer has come out of Germany in the past 100 years?

Albert Einstein & Michael Schenker.

Brooklyn Red Leg
12-27-2010, 05:41 PM
Some social scientists think that making sure large-scale crime or fascism never takes root in Europe again requires a taxpayer investment in a strong social safety net.

I might point out that the Nazi's had a strong social safety net too.

TNforPaul45
12-27-2010, 05:43 PM
We prop up their social safety nets by allowing them to cut on defense spending as we have so many troops over in Europe.

Also, what great innovations besides different flavored beer has come out of Germany in the past 100 years?

Don't forget about the highly efficient psychological and totalitarian tactics in use in the US today. Great exporters, those Germans.

Southron
12-27-2010, 06:21 PM
I often think that Europe just doesn't have the strong philosophical underpinning to keep from devolving back to tyranny. I think that any American style republic was just the flavor of the 19th and 20th centuries.

Who knows. Maybe we will head back to tyranny as well.

HOLLYWOOD
12-27-2010, 06:26 PM
Well moucha from Deutsch land: BMW, Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, Jet Engines, ICBMs, Siemens, Bayer, Nena, Scorpions, Rammstein, Kraftwerk, Falco, and David Hasselhoff!

If Germans don't do what we say, then all their goods/services will be taxed and no more bailouts for Deutsche Bank, German Central Bank, etc.

james1906
12-27-2010, 06:42 PM
Problem number 35 with America: no universal health care. Number 36: no metric system. What is this? The time of Charlemagne? Answer me! Answer me now!

james1906
12-27-2010, 06:49 PM
She also needs to save money. Until early 2009, Brown worked as an executive assistant on Wall Street, earning more than $80,000 a year, living in a six-bedroom house with her three sons. Today, she's long-term unemployed and has to make do with a tiny one-bedroom in the Bronx.

Ok, executive assistant is a nice way of saying secretary or receptionist, so $80,000/yr is way above market price, even in NYC, for that kind of work. Further, a 6 bedroom house in the NYC area? You know that thing was out of her price range. This woman could probably move to the Midwest or the South, make $30k a year, and have a decent apartment. I wonder if she thinks she's entitled to live in NYC?

JustinTime
12-27-2010, 09:38 PM
Full of Hatred: "The Tea Party, that group of white, older voters who claim that they want their country back, is angry. Fox News host Glenn Beck, a recovering alcoholic who likens Obama to Adolf Hitler, is angry. Beck doesn't quite know what he wants to be -- maybe a politician, maybe president, maybe a preacher --and he doesn't know what he wants to do, either, or least he hasn't come up with any specific ideas or plans. But he is full of hatred."

I'd love some specific examples of this hatred.

talkingpointes
12-27-2010, 10:15 PM
Snipped from the article.

"This appears to be a picture of two mothers collecting food boxes from the charity Feed the Children."

So collecting from charities will make Europeans gasp for air? Are these people passing around a crack pipe?

Agorism
12-27-2010, 10:28 PM
EU and USA have virtually the same size economy.

I think USA is bigger actually

Anti Federalist
12-27-2010, 10:40 PM
*sigh*

If we placed tariffs (the only true constitutional tax) on imported goods, rewrote and reformed the insane tax and tort system here, the EU and China would sucking hind tit.

But, nooooo, we can't do that, our masters have set out on a course of action that is deliberately designed to wreck the economy, bleed out the military and ravage the middle class.

Don't believe it?

Then why is our so called "free market" getting it's ass handed to it by a bunch of Eurotrash socialists and Red Chinese, for flying fuck's sake?

Pete Kay
12-28-2010, 01:27 AM
Am I supposed to feel sorry for this dipshit of a woman that had an 80k a year job and didn't possess the foresight to save any of it in case of hard times? Should I be expected to step in and pay for her poor decisions? If they wanted to present a sympathetic character to reinforce their calls for socialism, they could've picked someone other than a spoiled "executive assistant."

klamath
12-28-2010, 09:53 AM
Don't hammer on the Germans that much, this was written by an obvious socialist american that moved there. The Germans do quite well because they never gave up their manufacturing base. Germany is the second largest exporter nation on earth. We decided to ship all of our dirty manufacturing industry too china. Remember acid rain?

aravoth
12-28-2010, 10:06 AM
We prop up their social safety nets by allowing them to cut on defense spending as we have so many troops over in Europe.

Also, what great innovations besides different flavored beer has come out of Germany in the past 100 years?

television, machine guns, the Saturn V rocket, etc...

teacherone
12-28-2010, 10:33 AM
i've said it before and i'll say it again--

germany is producing because it has an educational system kept over from the feudal times.

at 4th grade the school decides if a child will go to one of three tracks--

hauptschule --education until 9th/10th grade (15/16 years old). wind up being a garbage man, dishwasher etc.

realschule-- education until 10th/11th grade (16/17 years old). wind up learning a trade and working in factories producing things, fixing machines.

gymnasium-- education until 18/19/20. ONLY TRACK THAT CAN GO ON TO UNIVERSITY. wind up being the manager of the haupt/realschule students.

Noob
12-28-2010, 10:42 AM
the last thing America needs is more socialism and more government.

libertarian4321
12-29-2010, 02:53 AM
Brown sits in a cheap diner on West 14th Street in Manhattan, stirring her $1.35 coffee. That's all she orders -- it's too late for breakfast and too early for lunch. She also needs to save money.

Yeah, it's "only" $1.35 for that coffee, but this woman claims she's eating out of dumpsters.

For that $1.35 she could have made 6+ meals if she shopped carefully (you can buy a box of generic Mac and Cheese for 20 cents on sale). For the price she paid for that coffee, she could have avoided eating out of dumpsters for 6 days.

sl7yz0r
12-29-2010, 03:11 AM
Also, what great innovations besides different flavored beer has come out of Germany in the past 100 years?

This sick VW factory/dealer
http://www.flixxy.com/high-tech-car-factory.htm

Vessol
12-29-2010, 03:20 AM
I had trouble reading that article. All I saw was.

*fap* *fap* *fap* Europe *fap* *fap* *fap* Universal Health Care *fap* *fap* *fap* America sucks! *fap* *fap* *fap Republicans suck!

Vessol
12-29-2010, 03:23 AM
Also, if anyone is going hungry in America, they're a self-righteous lying douchebag.

I've been homeless before. It's not hard at all to make a few dollars last a long time food wise. And if you don't have money, you'd be amazed by how kind and helpful people can be if you just ask personally instead of demanding that the State forcefully extort money by gunpoint from other peaceful individuals.