Woman arrested for refusing to be groped...WTF

[coastie]

Early Wednesday morning, a computer glitch shut down a security checkpoint for a couple of hours at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport. The line snaked out the door as many travelers waited for more than an hour and some missed their flights. One of the first people in line after that shutdown never made it through. She was arrested and banned from the airport.

Claire Hirschkind, 56, who says she is a rape victim and who has a pacemaker-type device implanted in her chest, says her constitutional rights were violated. She says she never broke any laws. But the Transportation Security Administration disagrees.

Hirschkind was hoping to spend Christmas with friends in California, but she never made it past the security checkpoint.

"I can't go through because I have the equivalent of a pacemaker in me," she said.

Hirschkind said because of the device in her body, she was led to a female TSA employee and three Austin police officers. She says she was told she was going to be patted down.

"I turned to the police officer and said, 'I have given no due cause to give up my constitutional rights. You can wand me,'" and they said, 'No, you have to do this,'" she said.

Hirschkind agreed to the pat down, but on one condition.

"I told them, 'No, I'm not going to have my breasts felt,' and she said, 'Yes, you are,'" said Hirschkind.

When Hirschkind refused, she says that "the police actually pushed me to the floor, (and) handcuffed me. I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."...cont at link

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Woman-arrested-at-ABIA-after-refusing-enhanced-pat-down-112354199.html

The money shot:



Other travelers KVUE talked to say they empathize with Hirschkind, but the law is the law.

"I understand her side of it, and their side as well, but it is for our protection so I have no problems with it," said Gwen Washington, who lives in Killeen.

"It's unfortunate that that happened and she didn't get to fly home, but it makes me feel a little safer," said Emily Protine.

The TSA did release a statement Wednesday that said in part, "Our officers are trained to treat all passengers with dignity and respect. Security is not optional."

:mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:Fuck where's my rum....

[CaliforniaMom]

This is why I've stopped flying. Because I'd rather drive than let those TSA jerks touch me or my kids.

[coastie]

I haven't flown since Oct 2004. Before all of this, it was because the plane almost crashed during that October flight flight...twice.

This stuff with the TSA has just cemented it, and given me another justification for my ridiculously vivid fear of flying.:o

[Uriel999]

FUCK TSA. God why do I have to fly tomorrow. I really am not up for rape and molestation.

[coastie]

FUCK TSA. God why do I have to fly tomorrow. I really am not up for rape and molestation.

Pop a Viagra, it'll make for good times:p

[agitator]

FUCK TSA. God why do I have to fly tomorrow. I really am not up for rape and molestation.

Film it for us. http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/937/collinsmiley.gif

[coastie]

Film it for us, after you take the Viagra. http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/937/collinsmiley.gif

Fixed that for you;)

[Philhelm]

WTF? Wikileaks Task Force?

In any case, this shit is getting extreme, and needs to stop here and now, although I fear it's too late.

[KCIndy]

This is why I've stopped flying. Because I'd rather drive than let those TSA jerks touch me or my kids.


+Rep and good for you!

[specialK]

Other travelers KVUE talked to say they empathize with Hirschkind, but the law is the law.

"I understand her side of it, and their side as well, but it is for our protection so I have no problems with it," said Gwen Washington, who lives in Killeen.

"It's unfortunate that that happened and she didn't get to fly home, but it makes me feel a little safer," said Emily Protine.

What on earth is WRONG with people???

[KCIndy]

When Hirschkind refused, she says that "the police actually pushed me to the floor, (and) handcuffed me. I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."



Other travelers KVUE talked to say they empathize with Hirschkind, but the law is the law.

"I understand her side of it, and their side as well, but it is for our protection so I have no problems with it," said Gwen Washington, who lives in Killeen.

"It's unfortunate that that happened and she didn't get to fly home, but it makes me feel a little safer," said Emily Protine.

The TSA did release a statement Wednesday that said in part, "Our officers are trained to treat all passengers with dignity and respect. Security is not optional."




Oh, man... This is why I find myself becoming depressed at times.

Quotes like these make me think we are SO, SO screwed.... :(

[qh4dotcom]

Can't feel sorry for the woman until I know that she didn't vote for pro-TSA Obama nor any other pro-TSA corrupt politician

"If you vote and you elect dishonest incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up well you're responsible for what they have done, you caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain."
-George Carlin
http://www.noob.us/humor/george-carlin-voting/

[Philhelm]

Can't feel sorry for the woman until I know that she didn't vote for pro-TSA Obama nor any other pro-TSA corrupt politician

"If you vote and you elect dishonest incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up well you're responsible for what they have done, you caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain."
-George Carlin
http://www.noob.us/humor/george-carlin-voting/

Well, that's one way to look at it, but we're all in the same boat, so it's pointless to be vindictive about who voted for whom at this point. Besides, innocent until proven guilty. :p

[oyarde]

How much are they going to try to fine her ?

[coastie]

Other travelers KVUE talked to say they empathize with Hirschkind, but the law is the law.

"I understand her side of it, and their side as well, but it is for our protection so I have no problems with it," said Gwen Washington, who lives in Killeen.

"It's unfortunate that that happened and she didn't get to fly home, but it makes me feel a little safer," said Emily Protine.



I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ~James Madison, speech, Virginia Convention, 1788

[devil21]

Im flying tomorrow and still trying to figure out what Im going to do if directed to the scanner or the patdown. One part of me just wants to get through and go see my family. The other part of me wants to make a scene. Sigh

[BamaAla]

The money shot:

Too bad, so sad. We all have to give up some government granted liberties in order to be protected from Muslims! :confused::(

[amy31416]

Everybody needs an opportunity to wake up, or were you born with 100% of the knowledge you needed to live free?

Either way, I hope you feel the same about people who voted for Bush (for consistency's sake), because he sure talked a good game in 2000.

Personally, I forgive anyone who's seen the light, so to speak.


Can't feel sorry for the woman until I know that she didn't vote for pro-TSA Obama nor any other pro-TSA corrupt politician

"If you vote and you elect dishonest incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up well you're responsible for what they have done, you caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain."
-George Carlin
http://www.noob.us/humor/george-carlin-voting/

[Pericles]

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

[Matt Collins]

Fuck where's my rum....That ain't going to do any good, and for all you know a couple of people in line might have been ok with it, but the majority may not have been. Who knows? One can't trust the media to accurately portray the feelings of the average individual.

[Kregisen]

Im flying tomorrow and still trying to figure out what Im going to do if directed to the scanner or the patdown. One part of me just wants to get through and go see my family. The other part of me wants to make a scene. Sigh

Make a scene!!!

[PreDeadMan]

the tsa are a bunch of sick pedophile molester pieces of shit. I don't give a fuck if you need a paycheck when your paycheck involves stealing my money in order to molest people and make them feel like shit for the silly guise of safety... you're a scumbag.

[Anti Federalist]

What on earth is WRONG with people???

Emily and Gwen.

That's what's wrong.

Sorry, but overall, it's the truth.

That, and the fact that you are reading a state media organ.

I witnessed, personally, a WBZ interview years ago at Logan airport in Boston about some new (at that time) security outrage.

They interviewed about ten people, myself included, of the ten, eight had nothing but disdain for the whole stinking routine, two provided mealy mouthed responses similar to those above. Those two were also both women.

Guess whose interviews were shown on the local nightly news?

[Matt Collins]

Pop a Viagra, it'll make for good times:pYou should ask the pat-down agent if they are homosexual or not. And insist that you have a right to know that if they are going to be touching your genitals.

Then ask the guy if he likes his job and if he isn't homosexual ask him why he likes having the job of feeling up other guys?

Do anything you can (without force) to demean these people and make them hate what they do on a daily basis. If enough people do that they are going to have a very tough time finding people to do that job.

[Kregisen]

If enough people do that they are going to have a very tough time finding people to do that job.

They'll just pay a higher salary and put us deeper into debt.

[tpreitzel]

Blatant fascism on display with this particular incident...

I can hardly believe this crap is occurring in this country, but then all you have to do is reread the comments of those brainwashed passengers who watched the incident without protest. Those passengers are as guilty * as the complicit Germans of the Nazi era... tragic.

* Even MORE guilty because WW2 Germany was an example for us, but these ignoramuses don't know squat about our constitution or history. Notice these supporters of Nazi-style fascism are predominantly women, again. Someone in the local community needs to pay these women a personal visit and have a chat.

[tangent4ronpaul]

When being groped: (LOUDLY! - so all the waiting passengers can hear it!) OH BABY, THAT IS SOO HOT, HARDER HARDER! YOU'RE REALLY TURNING ME ON! DO IT , DO IT! OH YEAH! BABY!

Alternately screaming RAPE!, RAPE!, RAPE! - at the top of your lungs works too....

I am really looking forward to a terrorist taking out the waiting line at one of these TSA checkpoints so people finally reallize that they make us LESS SAFE! It's too bad the reports about the porno scanners causing cancer, inability to detect explosives and red team tests getting simulated bombs and loaded firearms through checkpoints 78% of the time haven't received more publicity. TSA IS A FUCKING JOKE!

I absolutely refuse to fly because of them!

-t

[amy31416]

Hey, yo fellas?

You who are blaming this on the women?

This story IS a story because of a woman protesting her treatment by these goons. If you'd like to disparage all women for being worthless, stupid and weak, you'll have to find a different story.

Carry on......

[Bern]

Fucking sheep and their cattle cars, how do they work?

[TruckinMike]

Hey, yo fellas?

You who are blaming this on the women?

This story IS a story because of a woman protesting her treatment by these goons. If you'd like to disparage all women for being worthless, stupid and weak, you'll have to find a different story.

Carry on......

Right on! This woman not only shattered the belief that all woman bow to authority, but she put to shame the men in line as well. Go Girl Go!

Damsel in distress!--Where were those he-men anyway...?? :D

http://goldenstate.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/ar119401186102816.jpg

[coastie]

Hey, yo fellas?

You who are blaming this on the women?

This story IS a story because of a woman protesting her treatment by these goons. If you'd like to disparage all women for being worthless, stupid and weak, you'll have to find a different story.

Carry on......

:confused: Who's blaming women? Other than the one CORRECT observation in this thread that you see mostly women supporting this shit? He's right...out of all the people I interact with on a daily basis talking about these issues, the OVERWHELMING majority are women that say "i dont care, it makes me feel safe".

Nobody's "blaming" women here for anything, it's the TSA....focus.;)

[amy31416]

:confused: Who's blaming women? Other than the one CORRECT observation in this thread that you see mostly women supporting this shit? He's right...out of all the people I interact with on a daily basis talking about these issues, the OVERWHELMING majority are women that say "i dont care, it makes me feel safe".

Nobody's "blaming" women here for anything, it's the TSA....focus.;)

Nobody except for you and Anti-Fed. I stand corrected.

[coastie]

Nobody except for you and Anti-Fed. I stand corrected.

Yeah-you got me:rolleyes:

I dont see how you confusing blaming with making observations...

[Anti Federalist]

Hey, yo fellas?

You who are blaming this on the women?

This story IS a story because of a woman protesting her treatment by these goons. If you'd like to disparage all women for being worthless, stupid and weak, you'll have to find a different story.

Carry on......

I'm not "blaming" women, just making an observation, that's based in fact.

Ron Paul polls higher among men than women.

"Liberty" candidates routinely poll higher with men than women.

Women routinely support, in higher numbers than men, "safety" issues such as this.

That being said, government crossed a line here and are desperately running damage control through their media organs. The TSA groping and naked scanning is universally hated and deplored, so they have to manipulate the image in the public's eye.

At least long enough until the powers that be can gin up a suitable "false flag" attack.

That'll stampede the cattle, bulls and cows, back into the corral.

[specialK]

:confused: He's right...out of all the people I interact with on a daily basis talking about these issues, the OVERWHELMING majority are women that say "i dont care, it makes me feel safe".

Nobody's "blaming" women here for anything, it's the TSA....focus.;)

Interesting. I experience the opposite. It's the men who are not concerned. They just want to get to their final destination. Even my own son will gladly put up with it if it means getting to the Vegas poker table faster.

[coastie]

Interesting. I experience the opposite. It's the men who are not concerned. They just want to get to their final destination. Even my own son will gladly put up with it if it means getting to the Vegas poker table faster.

I wasn't referring to the airport issue specifically, just these issues in general, as AF pointed out. Although, a friend from NY just left, and she actually got quite pissy with me when I asked her if she had nekkid pictures or was felt up on her way to Florida, blowing up and saying, "Oh, come on! That shit is so exaggerated and it isn't happening...!!!!""And either way, if that's what it takes to make us safe, so what!!!!???":eek:

For her, " I didnt go through any scanners and wasn't groped on my way to Florida(this time)"= it doesn't happen anywhere.:mad:

[AxisMundi]

Early Wednesday morning, a computer glitch shut down a security checkpoint for a couple of hours at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport. The line snaked out the door as many travelers waited for more than an hour and some missed their flights. One of the first people in line after that shutdown never made it through. She was arrested and banned from the airport.

Claire Hirschkind, 56, who says she is a rape victim and who has a pacemaker-type device implanted in her chest, says her constitutional rights were violated. She says she never broke any laws. But the Transportation Security Administration disagrees.

Hirschkind was hoping to spend Christmas with friends in California, but she never made it past the security checkpoint.

"I can't go through because I have the equivalent of a pacemaker in me," she said.

Hirschkind said because of the device in her body, she was led to a female TSA employee and three Austin police officers. She says she was told she was going to be patted down.

"I turned to the police officer and said, 'I have given no due cause to give up my constitutional rights. You can wand me,'" and they said, 'No, you have to do this,'" she said.

Hirschkind agreed to the pat down, but on one condition.

"I told them, 'No, I'm not going to have my breasts felt,' and she said, 'Yes, you are,'" said Hirschkind.

When Hirschkind refused, she says that "the police actually pushed me to the floor, (and) handcuffed me. I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."...cont at link

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Woman-arrested-at-ABIA-after-refusing-enhanced-pat-down-112354199.html

The money shot:




:mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:Fuck where's my rum....

Absolutely disgusting.

There are no studies showing we "are safer" since these new policies have gone into effect. I am unaware of any studies even showing we WOULD be safer. Indeed, tests run by NSA agents have shown these policies,and others like those found at border crossings, to be a huge joke and a monumental waste of money.

How many people have thee policies caught?

And how many people have slipped through with explosives in shoes and underwear?

Not only write your congress-critters, ladies and gentlemen, we must bother the driving force behind what acceptance can be found in these absurd policies to show the truth of the matter to the masses, the media.

[MelissaWV]

Food for thought: perhaps Dr. Paul and some of the other liberty candidates score higher among "males" because they find their roots on the internet, which is (as any lady will tell you) majority male as far as political sites go. When a lady starts to educate herself as to liberty and the affiliated candidates, is she likely to continue swimming upstream in hostile waters? In 2008, going to meetups meant getting looked over and ogled rather than informed about the issues. That's not exactly a comfortable environment. Now, it's going to be insults to one's intelligence and these broad brushes telling ladies that they are more likely to support Big Government.

Maybe stop worrying about your perceived and grand generalizations, and address the particulars of each case.

I've found that men and women are about equal when it comes to this crap, but that's as anecdotal as all the other garbage you guys are talking about.

Has it crossed your minds that the majority of people YOU SEE ON TELEVISION saying they're okay with these measures are women, and not necessarily the bulk of the traveling public who believes the measures are okay are women? Women have geographically more to worry about than men when going through these invasive searches, and so the media puts forth moms and grandmas who say they feel safer now. It's to combat the inevitable flood of women who had an experience like the one in the OP. It's to burn an image into people's minds so that, when some nun is told to hike up her skirt and "allowed" to drape a towel across her thighs, people think instead of Suzie Safety and her joy at being made safer by the Government.

[zach]

Feeling safer every day with these stories.. right..

[Anti Federalist]

I'm a little disheartened at the ladies response here...

Look, I'm the very first to bash the piss poor state of manhood in Amerika, I do it on a regular basis.

This is similar to BlackTerrel's knee jerk reactions (at times) when pointing out that blacks, in a monolithic bloc, vote democratic, women, almost in an equal monolithic bloc, vote in favor of the "security state" and whoever represents it.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger, delivering a fairly well established fact.

Instead, let's examine why that fact exists, and attempt to do something about it.

[MelissaWV]

I'm a little disheartened at the ladies response here...

Look, I'm the very first to bash the piss poor state of manhood in Amerika, I do it on a regular basis.

This is similar to BlackTerrel's knee jerk reactions (at times) when pointing out that blacks, in a monolithic bloc, vote democratic, women, almost in an equal monolithic bloc, vote in favor of the "security state" and whoever represents it.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger, delivering a fairly well established fact.

Instead, let's examine why that fact exists, and attempt to do something about it.

I don't find it to be a well-established "fact." I find it to be a well-established data pool, from which people pull whatever interpretation suits them. Please see the above for why there are so many women on television telling us they feel safe.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't find it to be a well-established "fact." I find it to be a well-established data pool, from which people pull whatever interpretation suits them. Please see the above for why there are so many women on television telling us they feel safe.

You're denying that more women than men, support statist politicians over liberty candidates like Ron Paul?

Or that they support in greater numbers, "safety" measures like child ID initiatives, seat belt laws, helmet laws, drunk driving roadblocks or gun control?

[pcosmar]

I don't find it to be a well-established "fact." I find it to be a well-established data pool, from which people pull whatever interpretation suits them. Please see the above for why there are so many women on television telling us they feel safe.

I have to disagree. It is a historical fact. I am thankful for those that go against this grain. But the roots go deep.

http://www.academicamerican.com/twentiesdepww2/twenties/images/prohibition_photo_women.jpg
http://www.shelbycountyhistory.org/schs/archives/women/images/carrynation.gif

Today we have MADD and several other organizations lead by and targeting women.

[coastie]

I don't find it to be a well-established "fact." I find it to be a well-established data pool, from which people pull whatever interpretation suits them. Please see the above for why there are so many women on television telling us they feel safe.

Why do you keep suggesting that we're getting our "data" from watching TV??? I'll concede that what we're saying may be anecdotal, however, there have also been numerous polls/surveys/studies supporting that view. Anyone with their eyes open nowadays can see it-I see it everyday and it sends chills down my spine.

Knee jerk reactions. I started this thread for the horror of what the TSA did to this woman American.

I believe Amy stated earlier that this was a story only because it was a woman. This is a story because the .gov/TSA is seriously ramming it up our ass without at least a little bit of spit, and the media is telling everyone that we're all smiling and looking back at them with clenched teeth saying "Is that all you got? Deeper!!!"

This is isn't a gender issue in any of it's forms. "Don't touch my junk" ring a bell??

[amy31416]

I have to disagree. It is a historical fact. I am thankful for those that go against this grain. But the roots go deep.

http://www.academicamerican.com/twentiesdepww2/twenties/images/prohibition_photo_women.jpg
http://www.shelbycountyhistory.org/schs/archives/women/images/carrynation.gif

Today we have MADD and several other organizations lead by and targeting women.

So....in regards to women, why fail to recognize that the originator of MADD dumped the organization when it became focused on prohibition and now speaks out about it?


Why do you keep suggesting that we're getting our "data" from watching TV??? I'll concede that what we're saying may be anecdotal, however, there have also been numerous polls/surveys/studies supporting that view. Anyone with their eyes open nowadays can see it-I see it everyday and it sends chills down my spine.

Knee jerk reactions. I started this thread for the horror of what the TSA did to this woman American.

I believe Amy stated earlier that this was a story only because it was a woman. This is a story because the .gov/TSA is seriously ramming it up our ass without at least a little bit of spit, and the media is telling everyone that we're all smiling and looking back at them with clenched teeth saying "Is that all you got? Deeper!!!"

This is isn't a gender issue in any of it's forms. "Don't touch my junk" ring a bell??

I never said it was a story **only** because it was a woman...my point was that some of you hyper fellows failed to notice that it was a WOMAN who protested and stood up for her rights, despite the physical harm that came to her from it. You guys focused on the cherry-picked quotes of a couple of bimbos.

Another irony is that there was a recent thread where a Native American fellow was shot by a cop, and a woman who was walking by called him out on it and yelled at him--you know who criticized me for saying that I admired her actions?

A guy on this forum.

Once again, women are individuals. And just like any other group (such as men), you can make a shit-ton of generalizations about them, and there will be some truth. For instance, the majority of war-mongering motherfuckers in our gov't are men. The majority of those who tortured are men. The Patriot Act was penned by a dude and gets most of it's support from men, same with the wars.

But do I make comments that imply that ALL men, even the ones here, are such jackasses? No, I do not.

I recognize people as individuals, a concept that many of you seem to have an issue with when it comes to women.

[MelissaWV]

pcos/Anti-Fed.

The examples you posted are charming, but do you believe for even a moment that those women are somehow more succeptable [susceptible] to these kinds of feelings? Or could it be some other reinforcing factor?

I give the example repeatedly that the VAST majority of rapists are men. I guess I could go around, every time there's a thread about a man doing something, and post that and then act shocked when people think I might be attacking his character with a strange strawman argument.

coastie: I mention it because I give those gentlemen credit, and I don't believe they would make vast generalizations based purely on their personal anecdotal evidence. Each and every time I see an article or news broadcast, it is some motherly woman saying she's glad we're safer now, and she's willing to be inconvenienced for the sake of defeating the terrorists, or some other nonsense. I talked about why I believe that to be so.

* * *

Back to the "woman" thing, no, I still don't think women are more in favor of anti-liberty measures in the ways implied. I know that it's a statistical certainty that one gender or another is very likely "more" in favor of them, but the implication in your posts has been that it's because of gender that the difference exists, so I've ignored the math of it. You posted about Prohibition, but I know you're smarter than that, Pete, and that you realize Prohibition arose out of a great many things. It's one of those one-liners to blame it on the women, sort of like the Civil War being about ending slavery, or WWII being in retribution for Pearl Harbor. I know you don't really believe it for a second.

As for more men supporting Dr. Paul, that was addressed repeatedly in 2008 (mostly to fall upon deaf ears, I notice). There are a number of reasons why it was so which I believe will be different this time around. Of course, if people are made to feel unwelcome just when they're getting to be Paul-curious, then no one can help the figures. Minorities have not burst out of the woodwork to support Dr. Paul previously, but I do not think it a bad reflection on the collective moral character of those people who would be categorized as "minorities." It's strange to see it brought up to speak poorly of women.

The laws and measures which Anti-Fed listed are lazy laws. People are growing increasingly lazy. Women are still left in charge of their children a big portion of the time (whether by choice or by chance), so they're going to be the ones that wind up supporting the lazy laws when it comes to children. Who is penning these lazy laws, though? Who talks a big game about "anti-terrorist" measures? Are there really so many women among them? Who was in charge when speed limit laws came into play (hint: they date back to before women had the right to vote)? How many women were involved in establishing the Fed and the income tax? What percentage of legislators have actually been women?

None of this has much to do with the OP, though, and neither does the nonsense of women being more statist. It's a stupid generalization thrown in there to muddy the waters, and the sources are surprising.

Besides, both of you belong to the gender of rapists. :D

[pcosmar]

pcos/Anti-Fed.

:)
You should know from my posting by now to know I am not into woman bashing, nor to throwing everyone into a group.
I say many or even most women follow their emotions and are often leading or organizing these groups.
I am very thankful for you and others that do not fit this mold. I still believe that you are a minority.
As am I. :(
I am often disgusted with my fellow men. Those that conceived of TSA and those that work for it, and most of all those that stand there and do nothing.

I don't fly and have only seen these airport scenes in the media.
One man speaking up would be arrested. 50 men could be very righteous riot.
50 men in 50 airports would bring this shit to an end. Immediately.

We need more of us.

[coastie]

:)
You should know from my posting by now to know I am not into woman bashing, nor to throwing everyone into a group.
I say many or even most women follow their emotions and are often leading or organizing these groups.
I am very thankful for you and others that do not fit this mold. I still believe that you are a minority.
As am I. :(
I am often disgusted with my fellow men. Those that conceived of TSA and those that work for it, and most of all those that stand there and do nothing.

I don't fly and have only seen these airport scenes in the media.
One man speaking up would be arrested. 50 men could be very righteous riot.
50 men in 50 airports would bring this shit to an end. Immediately.

We need more of us.

+rep and +1176 for you sir!:D

As he said...Ladies, I never meant any harm(nor did I remotely project that, IMO), and the more of us together on what matters-now-, the more of a chance that we can end this shit.....

[agitator]

FUCK TSA. God why do I have to fly tomorrow. I really am not up for rape and molestation.

Twas the night before Christmas, everyone was crying (even the mouse),
before we go flying, we must leave the house.
Objectors were molested by the blue-gloved pervs,
I wanted to say no, but I lacked the nerve.

The children were probed, it's etched in their minds,
but better than being left far behind.
They searched mamma, not once but twice,
they squeezed my sack, it didn't feel nice.

Outside the gate, there arose such a clatter,
I zipped up my pants, and went to see what was the matter.
Out of the aquarium I flew like a flash,
and removed the blue glove, which they had left, half-shoved up my ass.

There a screener had her hand on grandma's breast,
I thought this depravity deserves arrest.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
perversion most foul - way worse than just *****.

Molesting an old man, who was screaming it was sick,
I knew at that moment, the TSA guy had just grabbed his dick.
No more rapid than snails, the searches all the same,
then, of course, they called us back by name.

Now, traveler, take off your shoe,
we claim to protect you from terrorists, not that we really do.
With security theater, and Soviet tactics, too,
Really, it's just to compel obedience, that we do what we do.

-Unknown

[moostraks]

The majority of those in power pushing this policy are men. The majority of those behind the positions with the money pushing this agenda are men. This is an issue of control. The media is a corrupt entity pushing a specific agenda. The fact that they are putting a specific face forward should give pause for thought as to why women are being utilized as the face for safety. It is because it sells better than a man relinquishing his manliness to an organization to provide the security. Moms craving security sits better in the psyche but that doesn't mean that the majority of women agree with this agenda. By making the secretary of state and big sis women you give the appearance of mom/grandmother and loving kindness instead of brute strength for forces sake.

As for the dimwitted airheads they get for these sound bytes my money is on the fact that they are upper middle class women with a lack of trust in their own spouse's/ex-spouse's ability to provide for their family when it comes to security. More than likely women who have either become a member of the first wives club or are frantically grasping at straws seeking not to become a member of said club because their marriage is one of absenteeism. Therefore the nanny state becomes their spouse who should be giving them the sense of security for their family.

The more you dunderheads seek to vilify women for this issue the more you will assert the fact that men are unnecessary because they cannot be trusted. Remember who is behind setting policy and why. Public opinion is important to keep the peace but they are not listening to women in order to set said policy they are setting policy to gain more power. Spend more time rewarding positive responses such as the fact this was a woman who without the benefit of a man interceding who stood up and asserted her rights, so this crosses gender barriers. As for the men in the airport and their attitude towards this policy just because they are not the responses used in the media snippets does not mean their inaction doesn't speak volumes here. Where were the men in the airport that day??? They stood passively by and watched these goons commit their abusive atrocities without issue...

[agitator]

The majority of those in power pushing this policy are men. The majority of those behind the positions with the money pushing this agenda are men. This is an issue of control. The media is a corrupt entity pushing a specific agenda. The fact that they are putting a specific face forward should give pause for thought as to why women are being utilized as the face for safety. It is because it sells better than a man relinquishing his manliness to an organization to provide the security. Moms craving security sits better in the psyche but that doesn't mean that the majority of women agree with this agenda. By making the secretary of state and big sis women you give the appearance of mom/grandmother and loving kindness instead of brute strength for forces sake.

As for the dimwitted airheads they get for these sound bytes my money is on the fact that they are upper middle class women with a lack of trust in their own spouse's/ex-spouse's ability to provide for their family when it comes to security. More than likely women who have either become a member of the first wives club or are frantically grasping at straws seeking not to become a member of said club because their marriage is one of absenteeism. Therefore the nanny state becomes their spouse who should be giving them the sense of security for their family.

The more you dunderheads seek to vilify women for this issue the more you will assert the fact that men are unnecessary because they cannot be trusted. Remember who is behind setting policy and why. Public opinion is important to keep the peace but they are not listening to women in order to set said policy they are setting policy to gain more power. Spend more time rewarding positive responses such as the fact this was a woman who without the benefit of a man interceding who stood up and asserted her rights, so this crosses gender barriers. As for the men in the airport and their attitude towards this policy just because they are not the responses used in the media snippets does not mean their inaction doesn't speak volumes here. Where were the men in the airport that day??? They stood passively by and watched these goons commit their abusive atrocities without issue...

Not that I really think voting really matters, but women vote in much greater numbers and greater percentages than men.

[Pericles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KucnZVKZfKQ&feature=player_embedded

[devil21]

Make a scene!!!

I just got home. No scene was necessary since I wasn't directed to the nudie scanner on the way out. Others were though. I was given a quick torso patdown by Dulles TSA before the flight home but I was mostly ok with that since no touching of my junk.