At what point will they run out of money?

[Fredom101]

There has to be an endgame here. The government can print money for a while and not notice a huge effect, but eventually, the crows will come home to roost, and hyperinflation will cause the dollar to finally collapse. At this point, the government (all levels) will be out of money.

What will they do?
If they keep printing, it's meaningless. The dollar is worth 0.
If they slow down on printing, they will have to scale back both the welfare and warfare states.
If they "reset" the currency and move to the Amero, will anyone be fooled at this point?

Also, if the dollar collapses, how are cops and soldiers going to get paid?

Lots to think about in this last leg of the American Empire!

[Pericles]

In the late '70s and early '80s we had multiple years of over 10% inflation that did not go over the cliff into hyperinflation. I'd say we still have some time yet.

[pcosmar]

At what point will they run out of money?

When they run out of material to print it on.

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[Travlyr]

Qe 57

[TNforPaul45]

They can print money in unlimited fashion. But this money is based only off of the will of other countries to buy our debt. We will run out of money the instant that these other countries decide that we are not going to pay them back. Which will be very soon.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I believe they ran out about 14 Trillion ago.

A more relevant question would be when will they run out of trees to make printing paper from.

-t

[Chester Copperpot]

when the people finally demand gold or silver for payment of goods and services maybe?

[Fredom101]

They can print money in unlimited fashion. But this money is based only off of the will of other countries to buy our debt. We will run out of money the instant that these other countries decide that we are not going to pay them back. Which will be very soon.

Ok...but what happens then? Are we headed for a Weimar Germany scenario, OR could there be some silver lining here?

[Travlyr]

The key to ending the criminal banking cabal is to back Ron Paul and keep educating people on exactly how they are transferring wealth from the taxpayers to themselves. Fiat counterfeiting, inflation, fiat fractional reserve, taxation, etc.

When you read somebody on a forum supporting central banking, then you know they either have not read Ron Paul's "End The Fed", or they are a shill for the elite. Don't let them win any arguments. Persistence will pay off.

The Internet is doing that job. When 20% of the people understand how the system works, we'll be able to put a stop to it. Until then the theft continues, QE3, QE4, QE5 ... QE57.

[Fredom101]

The key to ending the criminal banking cabal is to back Ron Paul and keep educating people on exactly how they are transferring wealth from the taxpayers to themselves. Fiat counterfeiting, inflation, fiat fractional reserve, taxation, etc.

When you read somebody on a forum supporting central banking, then you know they either have not read Ron Paul's "End The Fed", or they are a shill for the elite. Don't let them win any arguments. Persistence will pay off.

The Internet is doing that job. When 20% of the people understand how the system works, we'll be able to put a stop to it. Until then the theft continues, QE3, QE4, QE5 ... QE57.

Let's say we don't stop them. What do you think will happen? Dictatorship? Or small government?

[DamianTV]

Qe 57

Maybe just QE3 or 4, not that far off methinks...

[Philhelm]

Why would they even care? No matter how economically devastated a nation becomes, those at the top will still live a life of luxury...unless the people get too angry, at least. But, since when would Americunts ever show any backbone anyway (Yes, I stole Americunts from Anti-Federalist...quite an accurate term)?

[Travlyr]

Let's say we don't stop them. What do you think will happen? Dictatorship? Or small government?

More tyranny from the global elite oligarchy. Losing more property rights as called for in Agenda 21. They will work to create more poor people because poor people do not have the resources to rebel.

Ron Paul talks a lot about winning the battle of honest money as the only hope for limited government. That battle must be won to accomplish liberty, peace and prosperity.

[Travlyr]

Maybe just QE3 or 4, not that far off methinks...

I hope you are right!

[Corydoras]

In the late '70s and early '80s we had multiple years of over 10% inflation that did not go over the cliff into hyperinflation. I'd say we still have some time yet.

We have a LOT of time. I remember in the '70s when my mom used to stock up on stuff like soap and toilet paper and canned foods because the price would have gone up by the very next time we went to the supermarket.

[heavenlyboy34]

If history serves as a guide, there will be a point when the currency is so inflated and the military is spread so thin that the empire will collapse back into its original form. It's going to be a terrifying experience for those who aren't prepared. As RP has said, you don't want to live through hyperinflation. A part of me does want it though. The regime will be shown for what it is-a cabal of thieves, liars, manipulators, and murderers. As bad as FDR was, he wrote some very accurate criticisms of the Wilson regime on this subject as well as Wilsonian fascism.

[ronaldo23]

when will the US dollar no longer be the world reserve? When will China realize that the US dollar is garbage on stop accepting our currency for their products. That is when we will surely go into hyperinflation

[Corydoras]

I don't think there will be a sudden collapse. I remember 17% fixed-rate mortgages from the 1970s and 10% five-year CDs from the late 1980s. The system has quite a bit of stretch in it. JMHO.

[QueenB4Liberty]

I'm worried it's just going to keep getting worse. Forever. I mean, what's going to be the straw that breaks the camels back? None of this has produced loaves of bread for $23 like someone told me. Do we really have to wait 20 years for it to happen? That's going to suck.

[cindy25]

it can happen rather quickly; Germany after WWI, Hungary after WWII, and Zimbabwe are examples to study.

17% is nothing, it can reach 100% easily.

one good thing-the losers will be government employees and pensioners. also patriots

the winners will be libertarians who are most skeptical of government promises

[Fredom101]

If history serves as a guide, there will be a point when the currency is so inflated and the military is spread so thin that the empire will collapse back into its original form. It's going to be a terrifying experience for those who aren't prepared. As RP has said, you don't want to live through hyperinflation. A part of me does want it though. The regime will be shown for what it is-a cabal of thieves, liars, manipulators, and murderers. As bad as FDR was, he wrote some very accurate criticisms of the Wilson regime on this subject as well as Wilsonian fascism.

Do you think people will change though? I mean don't you think people will still clamor for government, even as it's proven right before our very eyes to be, like you said, a cabal of thieves, liars, manipulators and murderers?

I'm just trying to envision how it will all go down. The dollar WILL collapse, probably not overnight, but we will see this happen likely within 5-10 years. I just wonder what will the general american public do? My friend says we are headed for a Weimar scenario, I'm a little more positive because although I'm not a constitutionalist, Americans are far more entrepreneurial than most societies that I'm aware of, and I think they will find a work around to a hyperinflation scenario and thus we may come out better than before on the other side.

[Pericles]

The difference between a country and a rat pack is that we have evidence that rats learn from experience.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

The scenario would probably involve a clamp down on citizenry as well as a war.

[fisharmor]

The scenario would probably involve a clamp down on citizenry as well as a war.

Over 700 bases overseas. Large military forces in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, etc.
If the country goes totally broke, it's always a possibility that trouble at home will become the priority for them. That's the scenario I'm most afraid of - taking a bunch of amped-up soldiers directly out of a conflict and putting them on main street.
I don't put this totally past our masters.

However, when things get really bad, it's not going to be like the 1970s. Back then, there were limited broadcast outlets, and they were all controlled.
Today, people walk around with their own personal connection to a totally government-free broadcast medium in their pockets.
Some of them are even jaded on porn and lolcats, and are starting to read.

We're everywhere on that medium - not in your face, but we're there.
It's how most of us got here in the first place - hey, what's that he said? Inflation tax? What's that all about?

I think it's a race at this point.
I think our masters know it's a race.
I think that we pulled ahead a LOT when it came out that our masters have been up to some serious shenanigans.

I think our masters know that if they put a lot of boots on main street, then it's going to result in blood. A lot of it.
I think they know that blood is not good for business. They can get away with it in limited scope, like tackling old women after a hurricane, but they're not looking forward to doing it to hundreds of armed young men at once.

I think the liberty movement knows that blood is not good for liberty - not right now. If the people who would be doing the bleeding had a healthy understanding of liberty, it would be different. But they don't. Not after 12 years of compulsory brainwashing.

I think we're winning, because everything our masters do is wrong. They will not ever do the right thing, because they're not capable.
And the more wrong they do, the more our position starts to make sense.

The only question is whether enough people will figure this out before the bloodshed starts happening.

[Seraphim]

QFT.

Expect 15% mortgage rates in 2 years.

When the bond market collapses expect either currency collapse or monumental spikes in interest rates. Both very plausible.



I don't think there will be a sudden collapse. I remember 17% fixed-rate mortgages from the 1970s and 10% five-year CDs from the late 1980s. The system has quite a bit of stretch in it. JMHO.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Over 700 bases overseas. Large military forces in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, etc.
If the country goes totally broke, it's always a possibility that trouble at home will become the priority for them. That's the scenario I'm most afraid of - taking a bunch of amped-up soldiers directly out of a conflict and putting them on main street.
I don't put this totally past our masters.

However, when things get really bad, it's not going to be like the 1970s. Back then, there were limited broadcast outlets, and they were all controlled.
Today, people walk around with their own personal connection to a totally government-free broadcast medium in their pockets.
Some of them are even jaded on porn and lolcats, and are starting to read.

We're everywhere on that medium - not in your face, but we're there.
It's how most of us got here in the first place - hey, what's that he said? Inflation tax? What's that all about?

I think it's a race at this point.
I think our masters know it's a race.
I think that we pulled ahead a LOT when it came out that our masters have been up to some serious shenanigans.

I think our masters know that if they put a lot of boots on main street, then it's going to result in blood. A lot of it.
I think they know that blood is not good for business. They can get away with it in limited scope, like tackling old women after a hurricane, but they're not looking forward to doing it to hundreds of armed young men at once.

I think the liberty movement knows that blood is not good for liberty - not right now. If the people who would be doing the bleeding had a healthy understanding of liberty, it would be different. But they don't. Not after 12 years of compulsory brainwashing.

I think we're winning, because everything our masters do is wrong. They will not ever do the right thing, because they're not capable.
And the more wrong they do, the more our position starts to make sense.

The only question is whether enough people will figure this out before the bloodshed starts happening.

I can't help but wonder with all the wiki leaks business going on, if that connection will not also come under control somehow sometime soon ?

Was not referring to a war fought by liberty minded folks against their government, but one that could happen on an international scale due to economic and power driven reasons.

[denison]

I believe they ran out about 14 Trillion ago.

A more relevant question would be when will they run out of trees to make printing paper from.

-t

haven't they already decided to stop buying our money. Isn't the FED buying back from themselves. :eek: