TNforPaul45
12-19-2010, 09:45 PM
Incredibly, inaccurate tripe posted over at Salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/12/19/lafantasie_south_secession/index.html
And I quote:
If by defeating the Confederacy during the Civil War, the Union did not prove conclusively that secession could not be legally sustained, the point was made emphatically clear in the 1869 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Texas v. White. In the majority opinion, written by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase (a Republican appointed by Lincoln), the court ruled that under the Articles of Confederation, adopted by the states during the American Revolution, "the Union was solemnly declared to ‘be perpetual.’ PLEASE someone tell me where in the US civil Code, or in ANY law code in human history where it says "Anything decided at the end of a gun makes it legal." So every robber, then, commits a legal act, when he points a gun at someone and says "give me your money." Oh, I guess this makes forced taxation legal too, since they still have guns pointed at us. And don't forget, the justice was appointed by Lincoln, and since no state government in the south was going to be allowed to have a Confederate supporter sitting in it, then the Justices would not be exempt from this either. It's a wonder that they voted the way they did.
So the Articles of Confederation says that the Union is "Perpetual" does it?
And I quote:
http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html#Preamble
Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
Article III. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever. Back to the tripe Salon.com article:
And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained ‘to form a more perfect Union.’ It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?"I'm sure it's very difficult to express the idea of a permanent, indissouluble Union, because it DOES NOT EXIST IN LOGIC
Back to the stupid article:
In any event, Southern secessionists believed that it did, so they came to see themselves as conservatives, not revolutionaries. This position entrapped them in the contradiction of wanting to overthrow the government of the United States while also remaining under the protection of the Constitution. As a result, Southern justifications of the constitutionality of secession and their own conservatism became almost surreal.Oh let me answer this with the Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
One more fun little quote:
Confederates then and now deny that they are traitors for championing nullification and secession. But that is precisely what they are. How can anyone possibly be a patriot by calling for the destruction of the country one professes to love and honor?Lets see, they wanted to break away and have the North leave them alone. Yeah, big threat to the existence of the United States. Just like when the Colonies broke from Great Brittan, GB instantly erupted into explosive flames and the entire British Isles immediately sunk into the ocean. Yep. It happened. Just ask Salon.com.
You can read the rest for yourselves...ugh.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/12/19/lafantasie_south_secession/index.html
And I quote:
If by defeating the Confederacy during the Civil War, the Union did not prove conclusively that secession could not be legally sustained, the point was made emphatically clear in the 1869 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Texas v. White. In the majority opinion, written by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase (a Republican appointed by Lincoln), the court ruled that under the Articles of Confederation, adopted by the states during the American Revolution, "the Union was solemnly declared to ‘be perpetual.’ PLEASE someone tell me where in the US civil Code, or in ANY law code in human history where it says "Anything decided at the end of a gun makes it legal." So every robber, then, commits a legal act, when he points a gun at someone and says "give me your money." Oh, I guess this makes forced taxation legal too, since they still have guns pointed at us. And don't forget, the justice was appointed by Lincoln, and since no state government in the south was going to be allowed to have a Confederate supporter sitting in it, then the Justices would not be exempt from this either. It's a wonder that they voted the way they did.
So the Articles of Confederation says that the Union is "Perpetual" does it?
And I quote:
http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html#Preamble
Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
Article III. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever. Back to the tripe Salon.com article:
And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained ‘to form a more perfect Union.’ It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?"I'm sure it's very difficult to express the idea of a permanent, indissouluble Union, because it DOES NOT EXIST IN LOGIC
Back to the stupid article:
In any event, Southern secessionists believed that it did, so they came to see themselves as conservatives, not revolutionaries. This position entrapped them in the contradiction of wanting to overthrow the government of the United States while also remaining under the protection of the Constitution. As a result, Southern justifications of the constitutionality of secession and their own conservatism became almost surreal.Oh let me answer this with the Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
One more fun little quote:
Confederates then and now deny that they are traitors for championing nullification and secession. But that is precisely what they are. How can anyone possibly be a patriot by calling for the destruction of the country one professes to love and honor?Lets see, they wanted to break away and have the North leave them alone. Yeah, big threat to the existence of the United States. Just like when the Colonies broke from Great Brittan, GB instantly erupted into explosive flames and the entire British Isles immediately sunk into the ocean. Yep. It happened. Just ask Salon.com.
You can read the rest for yourselves...ugh.