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alsis8xmy
12-15-2010, 08:14 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic about them, but I have suspicions that they may be a PsyOp. I think the major good that can come for Wikileaks is that it will spawn a mass of copy cat websites that are not under nefarious influences. This would thus create a free market of leak protector websites.

This article sums it up:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22389

Who is Behind Wikileaks?
By Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, December 13, 2010

"World bankers, by pulling a few simple levers that control the flow of money, can make or break entire economies. By controlling press releases of economic strategies that shape national trends, the power elite are able to not only tighten their stranglehold on this nation's economic structure, but can extend that control world wide. Those possessing such power would logically want to remain in the background, invisible to the average citizen." (Aldous Huxley)

Wikleaks is upheld as a breakthrough in the battle against media disinformation and the lies of the US government.

Unquestionably, the released documents constitute an important and valuable data bank. The documents have been used by critical researchers since the outset of the Wikileaks project. Wikileaks earlier revelations have focussed on US war crimes in Afghanistan (July 2010) as well as issues pertaining to civil liberties and the "militarization of the Homeland" (see Tom Burghardt, Militarizing the "Homeland" in Response to the Economic and Political Crisis, Global Research, October 11, 2008)

In October 2010, WikiLeaks was reported to have released some 400,000 classified Iraq war documents, covering events from 2004 to 2009 (Tom Burghardt, The WikiLeaks Release: U.S. Complicity and Cover-Up of Iraq Torture Exposed, Global Research, October 24, 2010). These revelations contained in the Wikileaks Iraq War Logs provide "further evidence of the Pentagon's role in the systematic torture of Iraqi citizens by the U.S.-installed post-Saddam regime." (Ibid)

Progressive organizations have praised the Wikileaks endeavor. Our own website Global Research has provided extensive coverage of the Wikileaks project.

The leaks are heralded as an immeasurable victory against corporate media censorship.

But there is more than meets the eye.

Even prior to the launching of the project, the mainstream media had contacted Wikileaks.

There are also reports from published email exchanges that Wikileaks had, at the outset of the project in January 2007, contacted and sought the advice of Freedom House including an invitation to Freedom House to participate in Wikileaks' advisory board. Freedom House is a Washington based "watchdog organization that supports the expansion of freedom around the world".

"We are looking for one or two initial advisory board member from FH who may advise on the following:

1. the needs of FH as consumer of leaks exposing business and political corruption
2. the needs for sources of leaks as experienced by FH
3. FH recommendations for other advisory board members
4. general advice on funding, coallition [sic] building and decentralised operations and political framing" (Wikileaks Leak email exchanges, January 2007).

Wikileaks had also entered into negotiations with several corporate foundations with a view to securing funding. (Wikileaks Leak email exchanges, January 2007):

The linchpin of WikiLeaks's financial network is Germany's Wau Holland Foundation. ... "We're registered as a library in Australia, we're registered as a foundation in France, we're registered as a newspaper in Sweden," Mr. Assange said. WikiLeaks has two tax-exempt charitable organizations in the U.S., known as 501C3s, that "act as a front" for the website, he said. He declined to give their names, saying they could "lose some of their grant money because of political sensitivities."

Mr. Assange said WikiLeaks gets about half its money from modest donations processed by its website, and the other half from "personal contacts," including "people with some millions who approach us...." (WikiLeaks Keeps Funding Secret, WSJ.com, August 23, 2010)

At the outset in early 2007, Wikileaks acknowledged that the project had been "founded by Chinese dissidents, mathematicians and startup company technologists, from the US, Taiwan, Europe, Australia and South Africa.... [Its advisory board] includes representatives from expat Russian and Tibetan refugee communities, reporters, a former US intelligence analyst and cryptographers." (Wikileaks Leak email exchanges, January 2007).

Wikileaks formulated its mandate on its website as follows: "[Wikileaks will be] an uncensorable version of Wikipedia for untraceable mass document leaking and analysis. Our primary interests are oppressive regimes in Asia, the former Soviet bloc, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East, but we also expect to be of assistance to those in the west who wish to reveal unethical behavior in their own governments and corporations," CBC News - Website wants to take whistleblowing online, January 11, 2007, emphasis added).

This mandate was confirmed by Julian Assange in a June 2010 interview in The New Yorker:

"Our primary targets are those highly oppressive regimes in China, Russia and Central Eurasia, but we also expect to be of assistance to those in the West who wish to reveal illegal or immoral behavior in their own governments and corporations. (quoted in WikiLeaks and Julian Paul Assange : The New Yorker, June 7, 2010, emphasis added)

Assange also intimated that "exposing secrets" "could potentially bring down many administrations that rely on concealing reality—including the US administration." (Ibid)

From the outset, Wikileaks' geopolitical focus on "oppressive regimes" in Eurasia and the Middle East was "appealing" to America's elites, i.e. it seemingly matched stated US foreign policy objectives. Moreover, the composition of the Wikileaks team (which included Chinese dissidents), not to mention the methodology of "exposing secrets" of foreign governments, were in tune with the practices of US covert operations (and supported by Freedom House) geared towards triggering "regime change" and fostering "color revolutions" in different parts of the World.

The Role of the Corporate Media: The Central Role of the New York Times

Wikileaks is not a typical alternative media initiative. The New York Times, the Guardian and Der Spiegel are directly involved in the editing and selection of leaked documents. The London Economist has also played an important role.

While the project and its editor Julian Assange reveal a commitment and concern for truth in media, the recent Wikileaks releases of embassy cables have been carefully "redacted" by the mainstream media in liaison with the US government. (See Interview with David E. Sanger, Fresh Air, PBS, December 8, 2010)

This collaboration between Wikileaks and selected mainstream media is not fortuitous; it was part of an agreement between several major US and European newspapers and Wikileaks' editor Julian Assange.

The important question is who controls and oversees the selection, distribution and editing of released documents to the broader public?

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Elwar
12-15-2010, 09:11 AM
I am shocked!!! :eek:

:rolleyes:

They released filtered information...at the very same time that the Fed revealed that they'd spent all of our money on foreign banks...

hmm...

pcosmar
12-15-2010, 09:18 AM
This article sums it up:

No not really. It fails on many levels. Once again it is FUD and ignores all that Wikileaks has been doing long before the had any media attention.
It ignores the successes. It ignores the point of the information and focuses on a personality. Which it tries to smear.

The reason Wikileaks is attempting to work with the MSM is to reach a wider audience.
The need is apparent, Almost no one knows of the prior releases that shook governments and exposed corruption.
Most folks never heard of them before Collateral Murder. And that was defused for the most part in the same way.
Character Assassination
Change the focus
Ignore the story

Standard MO.
:mad:

specsaregood
12-15-2010, 09:22 AM
The reason Wikileaks is attempting to work with the MSM is to reach a wider audience.
The need is apparent, Almost no one knows of the prior releases that shook governments and exposed corruption.
Most folks never heard of them before Collateral Murder. And that was defused for the most part in the same way.
Character Assassination
Change the focus
Ignore the story

Standard MO.
:mad:

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later. :mad:

I'd say how the media is reacting is evidence that it isn't a psyop. They are doing all they can to ignore the information and focus on the character.

teacherone
12-15-2010, 09:27 AM
i was convinced that he was CIA before the last doc dump but now i'm not so sure.

just the fact that they're considering extradition, assassination, and imprisonment on chumped up charges contradicts your argument.

then again, he could be just the fall guy, the patsy that's served his purpose.

who knows?

ctiger2
12-15-2010, 10:33 AM
i was convinced that he was CIA before the last doc dump but now i'm not so sure.

just the fact that they're considering extradition, assassination, and imprisonment on chumped up charges contradicts your argument.

That's what they do with CIA Patsies...

heavenlyboy34
12-15-2010, 10:43 AM
No not really. It fails on many levels. Once again it is FUD and ignores all that Wikileaks has been doing long before the had any media attention.
It ignores the successes. It ignores the point of the information and focuses on a personality. Which it tries to smear.

The reason Wikileaks is attempting to work with the MSM is to reach a wider audience.
The need is apparent, Almost no one knows of the prior releases that shook governments and exposed corruption.
Most folks never heard of them before Collateral Murder. And that was defused for the most part in the same way.
Character Assassination
Change the focus
Ignore the story

Standard MO.
:mad:

this^^ if you watch the documentary about wikileaks (wikirebels), they only turned to professional journalists for professional editing and advice. Prior to that, they were just indiscriminately releasing info.

pcosmar
12-15-2010, 10:45 AM
What about.
Kaupthing
http://icelandtalks.net/?p=535
http://www.economicdisasterarea.com/index.php/news/wikileaks-serious-fraud-office-urges-kaupthing-whisteblowers-to-step-forward/
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-11/iceland-issues-warrant-for-kaupthing-bank-ex-chairman-einarsson.html

And there is more on several fronts and other countries.
If you look beyond the present Propaganda.

Andrew-Austin
12-15-2010, 11:27 AM
i was convinced that he was CIA before the last doc dump but now i'm not so sure.

just the fact that they're considering extradition, assassination, and imprisonment on chumped up charges contradicts your argument.

then again, he could be just the fall guy, the patsy that's served his purpose.

who knows?

Getting rid of Assange would not even put an end to Wikileaks, it would just make them (the governments involved) look bad. Fact is, the writing is all over the wall, governments genuinely hate and fear Wikileaks, for what documents they have leaked (there have been some good ones) and the ones they plan to leak. The US government is probably shitting bricks over the files about the MAJOR BANK wikileaks plans to leak next.

This article, along with all the other arguments I've seen that say wikileaks is a "psyop", is very weak. It basically just says like 'oh some of the wikileaks donors are anonymous, and wikileaks has released some files that make Eurasian and Middle Eastern governments look bad'. Wow yet more brilliant indicting evidence. /sarcasm

Is Openleaks (competitor of Wikileaks that will open soon) CIA too just because they plan to do something we like, and that can't happen for some reason without it being a psyop? The CIA is an incredibly inept institution these days, they couldn't possibly pull off the elaborate over-the-top schemes people say they can. People just imagine these little schemes out of paranoia, they selectively pick a few pixels out of the entire painting trying to assemble the picture they want to see, and overlook everything else.

sailingaway
12-15-2010, 11:42 AM
I'm for freedom of expression and whistle blowing when it doesn't put innocent people in danger. I don't have a particular affect towards wikileaks.

UtahApocalypse
12-15-2010, 11:52 AM
Funny thing is they GAIN credibility to me everyday