Tobacco Smoking Should be Banned in Apartments: Researchers

[Anti Federalist]

Tobacco Smoking Should be Banned in Apartments: Researchers

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20025483-10391704.html?tag=channelMore;pop

(CBS) Smokers who have been forced out of bars and restaurants may soon be crowded into little groups outside one more place: their homes.


A new study finds that even when kids live with non-smoking parents, if they live in apartment buildings they are exposed to tobacco smoke from their neighbors. Now, researchers are recommending that owners and landlords make their buildings smoke-free zones.


The deadly smoke seeps through walls or common air ducts from smokers' apartments, according to the study published today in Pediatrics.


"Parents try so hard to protect their children from dangers, such as tobacco smoke." said Dr. Karen Wilson, an author of the study and assistant professor of Pediatrics at the University of Rochester Medical Center's Golisano Children's Hospital, said in a written statement.


"It's surprising to see these results and realize that too many parents have no control over whether their children are exposed to secondhand smoke in their own homes," she said.


Children are in danger of a number of health problems if they are exposed to cigarette smoke. The U.S. Surgeon General says there is no safe level of exposure to tobacco smoke. In children, tobacco smoke causes and increases the severity of asthma, influenza and bronchiolitis, a lung infection primarily found in kids.


It can also cause sudden death syndrome and cognitive deficits in infants. And even unborn children are at risk: if pregnant women inhale tobacco smoke, their child may be born with low birth weight or prematurely.


The solution? The true fix to protect residents is to make apartment housing smoke-free, says Dr. Jonathan Winickoff, senior study author who practices at the MassGeneral Hospital for Children.


"A child with asthma has no choice, people who smoke can go outside," he said. "I think that landlords and building owners will now be deciding how soon to go smoke free and not whether to go smoke free. I don't think anyone wants to be the slumlord of the last building to allow smoking inside."

[noxagol]

Why don't they just drop the pretenses already and just out right ban it. We all know that is where it is heading.

[MelissaWV]

Yet another thing which should be up to the educated renter and landlord, but won't be.

I love how the article says that smokers have the choice to go outside. What if the children are playing outside? I thought the smoke was seeping in through walls. Are exterior walls and the flimsy, often not-well-insulated areas around windows/doors not going to allow that potent toxin to come in?

What about selling a car? Previous owners' smoking might have poisoned the interior.

What about clothing? A smoker might have tried on the clothing while smoking (at home) or just after smoking (home or at the store).

What about anything with a surface that could absorb odors? What about the sidewalk, where some innocent might walk by at any moment?

The kicker is that, despite all these red-flagged "dangers," the Government doesn't want to ban smoking and really wouldn't dream of it. It just makes too much damned money.

[Anti Federalist]

The U.S. Surgeon General says there is no safe level of exposure to tobacco smoke.

Tobacco is a plant, a leaf, a naturally occuring, native flora.

If that statement is true, then there is no safe level of exposure to a campfire, a burning leaf pile, a wood stove, a fireplace, a forest fire or a barbecue pit.

All of the above are then just as deadly and will cause everything from explosive flatulence to spontaneous decapitation.

[oyarde]

Tobacco is a plant, a leaf, a naturally occuring, native flora.

If that statement is true, then there is no safe level of exposure to a campfire, a burning leaf pile, a wood stove, a fireplace, a forest fire or a barbecue pit.

All of the above are then just as deadly and will cause everything from explosive flatulence to spontaneous decapitation.

Just ban breathing in apartments .

[mczerone]

In other news:

Researchers should be banned from telling others how to use their property: Rights theorists

[awake]

Once health care is nationalized, restricting and outlawing every potential statistical harm to health is seen as a way of cutting health care costs. Wait until this really ramps up, the war on smoking is the strategical battlefield blue print for any number of health concerns.

[agitator]

No farting either! Damn it!

[Anti Federalist]

One health care is nationalized, restricting and outlawing every potential statistical harm is seen as a way of cutting health care costs. Wait until this really ramps up, the war on smoking is the strategical battlefield blue print for any number of health concerns.

Hoo boy, that ^^^ +rep +1776 + infinity

Nothing, but nothing will be outside the realm of regulation, control and government surveillance once that happens.

Every aspect of your life will be subject to government scrutiny, every move you make subject to government control, all enabled by the high tech surveillance/control grid that is being built rapidly all around us.

[noxagol]

One health care is nationalized, restricting and outlawing every potential statistical harm to health is seen as a way of cutting health care costs. Wait until this really ramps up, the war on smoking is the strategical battlefield blue print for any number of health concerns.

I've also been saying that for a long time.

[UtahApocalypse]

As long as its not LAW I fully agree with them

[Anti Federalist]

As long as its not LAW I fully agree with them

Not law, yeah right, that's funny...oh wait...you're serious, aren't you?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

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"I approve."

[qh4dotcom]

What about polluting other people's property? If you're smoking in your property, it's your responsibility to make sure the smoke stays in your apartment and does not pollute your neighbor's property. I recall even Ron Paul has said that in a free market society you're not allowed to pollute someone else's property.

[Anti Federalist]

What about polluting other people's property? If you're smoking in your property, it's your responsibility to make sure the smoke stays in your apartment and does not pollute your neighbor's property. I recall even Ron Paul has said that in a free market society you're not allowed to pollute someone else's property.

There is difference between dumping toxic waste drums in your front yard, and stray molecules of combustion byproducts from a minuscule amount of a burning leaf.

By that definition, just your breathing is "polluting" my environment.

Or, let's say I'm a devout Jew or Muslim. No more bacon or sausage cooking for you, since the stray cooking fumes are violating my deeply held convictions against coming into contact with swine.

Sometimes, to get along with other people, it requires taking the stick out of one's ass and just shining on other people's activities and behavior.

Everything that anybody does can be claimed to have an affect on the next guy and therefore subject to regulation or a lawsuit.

Is that freedom?

Not in my view.

[doodle]

So beer drinking in restaurants will be banned next? if they wan to protect brain cells like lungs too.

[Razmear]

Car exhaust fumes, which are in every city, are much worse for you than second hand smoke.
Those little bits of radiation still floating around from all them nuke tests are much worse for you than second hand smoke.
Second hand smoke has become the scapegoat for all illness that could be blamed on the petro-chemical industries, asbestos, and more.

The biggest irony to me is California's objections to second hand smoke while half their state is on fire every summer.
It's all BS.
eb

[osan]

Why don't they just drop the pretenses already and just out right ban it. We all know that is where it is heading.


NO no no doc, you got it all wrong. Just ban living. THAT is where it is going. No living allowed, just mere existence.

[Philhelm]

Just ban breathing in apartments .

No, no, no. You would be awful in any government position. You don't ban breathing, you tax it! :D

[noxagol]

What about polluting other people's property? If you're smoking in your property, it's your responsibility to make sure the smoke stays in your apartment and does not pollute your neighbor's property. I recall even Ron Paul has said that in a free market society you're not allowed to pollute someone else's property.

It's not their property, it belongs to the guy they pay their rent to. He/she is the one that gets to decide. If the tenant doesn't like it, they are free to find another apartment.

[Mattsa]

"Just ban breathing in apartments"

The logical conclusion of socialism is that you WILL be banned from breathing.....................Anywhere, not just inside your own apartment or home

[Mattsa]

What about polluting other people's property? If you're smoking in your property, it's your responsibility to make sure the smoke stays in your apartment and does not pollute your neighbor's property. I recall even Ron Paul has said that in a free market society you're not allowed to pollute someone else's property.

The idea that second hand tobacco smoke constitutes 'a pollutant' is bloody ridiculous

The harmful effects of passive smoking have been drastically overstated too. That isn't to say it isn't unpleasant and smelly

If you allow things to be taken to such extremes that you would prosecute someone for second hand cigarette smoke, you will end up in a totalitatarian state, not a free one.

[osan]

Once health care is nationalized, restricting and outlawing every potential statistical harm to health is seen as a way of cutting health care costs. Wait until this really ramps up, the war on smoking is the strategical battlefield blue print for any number of health concerns.

Yah. Once they get the courts to set the precedent by upholding this bullshit, the road will have been paved for almost limitless control over behavior. Anything undesirable will be declared a "health hazard" and there will exist a perpetual state of "crisis" WRT costs, which will be used as the "we must sacrifice" hammer by which behavior will be limited. I foresee even firearms being banned or severely curtailed in possession and use based on this. CDC or NIH long ago declared firearms a national health emergency as a basis for its irrelevant position that arms need ever greater regulation and, preferably, elimination.. 'cept for police and military of course.

Car exhaust poses a national health threat. Unregulated foods. Scissors.

\If.wehn the precedent is set, they will run hogwild.

[driller80545]

Loitering outside in an apartment complex is usually much more dangerous than the implied threat of second hand smoke.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Most apartments dont allow smoking what I've noticed.

[UtahApocalypse]

Amazing how property rights of the Apartment complex owners are thrown by the smokers

[armstrong]

soon I think some cities you will not be able smoke even walking down the street nor can you burn wood to heat already in some towns.lets see smoke police,trash police,camping police,and coming soon thought police ,INTERNET police,and insurance police but its for our own good.:mad:

[dannno]

Car exhaust fumes, which are in every city, are much worse for you than second hand smoke.
Those little bits of radiation still floating around from all them nuke tests are much worse for you than second hand smoke.
Second hand smoke has become the scapegoat for all illness that could be blamed on the petro-chemical industries, asbestos, and more.

The biggest irony to me is California's objections to second hand smoke while half their state is on fire every summer.
It's all BS.
eb

+rep

And really the only reason tobacco smoke is unhealthy is the radiation used in the fertilizers (commercial tobacco can only be grown in select states, very highly regulated), and also the additives which are in some brands.

I'll bet you can't even get lung cancer from smoking organic American Spirits.

[dannno]

Amazing how property rights of the Apartment complex owners are thrown by the smokers

BS, you're making this up out of your own delusions.

Just because we disagree that smoking is pollution or that it is bad, doesn't mean I or ANYBODY here is against the majority of apartment building owners who don't allow smoking (at least the majority around here don't allow it)

For one thing, it does cause damage to the apartment.. not the apartment next door, but the carpet and drapes may need to be replaced after a heavy tobacco smoker has lived there.

I notice that most don't care if people smoke herb in their non-smoking apartments because it doesn't cause any damage.

[DamianTV]

Why don't they just drop the pretenses already and just out right ban it. We all know that is where it is heading.

Making anything illegal only creates a Black Market.

Oh, wait...

Thats just what they want. Another war that is already lost before it has even started. Taxation by Citation.

So, when are they going to ban Coffee?

[Heimdallr]

Hoo boy, that ^^^ +rep +1776 + infinity

Nothing, but nothing will be outside the realm of regulation, control and government surveillance once that happens.

Every aspect of your life will be subject to government scrutiny, every move you make subject to government control, all enabled by the high tech surveillance/control grid that is being built rapidly all around us.

Dude, can you cut the exaggeration? What you describe is one of many consequences of a system running out of money. Not simply having nationalized healthcare. As long as they aren't broke, you wouldn't see the kind of control you're talking about.

Except... they are.

[Anti Federalist]

Dude, can you cut the exaggeration? What you describe is one of many consequences of a system running out of money. Not simply having nationalized healthcare. As long as they aren't broke, you wouldn't see the kind of control you're talking about.

Except... they are.

http://207.199.174.56/img/wpfZFOyVdf_i-saw-what-you-did-there-4.jpg

[awake]

Dude, can you cut the exaggeration? What you describe is one of many consequences of a system running out of money. Not simply having nationalized healthcare. As long as they aren't broke, you wouldn't see the kind of control you're talking about.

Except... they are.



That's right, as long as they can create keystroke money and hide the gross mal-investments then everything can work just fine, for a time, that's the boom. But they are running out of the ability to use keystroke money in that way - just print faster is not going to work. It is distorting the market on such a large scale that it is creating a crackup boom. Government management is a monetary black hole that even Ben's magic printing press can not overcome.

[oyarde]

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Love the Nixon photo !