judge upholds US plans to kill American citizens outside of war zones

[Razmear]

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2010/12/201012914367164938.html

The suit had been brought by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in August.

Following the granting of the government's motion to dismiss the case, Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the ACLU, said, "If the court's ruling is correct, the government has unreviewable authority to carry out the targeted killing of any American, anywhere, whom the president deems to be a threat to the nation."

[QueenB4Liberty]

Wow. One step forward, one step back, it seems.

[Inkblots]

Wow. One step forward, one step back, it seems.

Make that three steps back. This is really very serious.

[forsmant]

This is terrible news.

[Inkblots]

Judge Bates ruled that "there are circumstances in which the executive's unilateral decision to kill a US citizen overseas is 'constitutionally committed to the political branches' and judicially unreviewable."

Wow. Forget about personal jurisdiction: the Fifth Amendment is now a dead letter. Americans abroad may now be deprived of life without the due process of law. That is literally insane.

[Bman]

The U.S. military needs to arrest that dude and give him a military tribunal for being an enemy combatant of the United States of America and it's people.

[Inkblots]

The U.S. military needs to arrest that dude and give him a military tribunal for being an enemy combatant of the United States of America and it's people.

How exactly is he an enemy combatant? I've never seen any evidence of him directly engaging in any sort of attack on the US. He's a radical preacher: he induces others to take up arms against America, but doesn't fight himself.

[Anti Federalist]

Make that three steps back. This is really very serious.

Really, nothing could be more serious.

And this is not just reserved for Americans outside America.

Under settled law you can be "rendered" out of the country, and then extrajudicially exterminated.

So, government has now claimed the right to render you, an American citizen, an "unperson" and assassinate you, based on nothing more than government saying so.

Meanwhile, at the airports, naked pictures are being taken of taken of pre pubescent children, and sweaty government goons reserve the right to stick their hands down your pants. And all across the land, cops, almost every day now, gun down another unarmed citizen.

Americunts...

[Razmear]

Really, nothing could be more serious.

And this is not just reserved for Americans outside America.

Under settled law you can be "rendered" out of the country, and then extrajudicially exterminated.

So, government has now claimed the right to render you, an American citizen, an "unperson" and assassinate you, based on nothing more than government saying so.

Meanwhile, at the airports, naked pictures are being taken of taken of pre pubescent children, and sweaty government goons reserve the right to stick their hands down your pants. And all across the land, cops, almost every day now, gun down another unarmed citizen.

Americunts...

Makes me feel like a chicken about to be mechanically separated...
It truly is time to 'cast off' the current power elite and regain control of our nation, bwmn.

eb

[GunnyFreedom]

How exactly is he an enemy combatant? I've never seen any evidence of him directly engaging in any sort of attack on the US. He's a radical preacher: he induces others to take up arms against America, but doesn't fight himself.

If I had to guess, I'd guess he was talking about Judge Bates....

[GunnyFreedom]

It's now almost as bad here as it was in the old Soviet Union. :(

Americans used to sit back in bemusement and wonder "how could those people let that happen" and now the very same people are letting it happen here. We just polish the turd a little better with EBT cards and endless fiat currency propping up the people who the government has impoverished.

The only thing we are really missing now are lines around the block for toilet paper...

[Razmear]

The only thing we are really missing now are lines around the block for toilet paper...

You must not shop at WalMart then. 30 registers 1 cashier.

[GunnyFreedom]

You must not shop at WalMart then. 30 registers 1 cashier.

LMAO - that would seem to be a different category, but I guess now that Big Sister has infiltrated Wally World with "See Something, Say Something" that private/public distinction is kinda blurring away...

[Anti Federalist]

It's now almost as bad here as it was in the old Soviet Union. :(

Americans used to sit back in bemusement and wonder "how could those people let that happen" and now the very same people are letting it happen here. We just polish the turd a little better with EBT cards and endless fiat currency propping up the people who the government has impoverished.

The only thing we are really missing now are lines around the block for toilet paper...

Fear not Comrade.

Once the powers that be decide to finally kick the legs out from underneath us, that will become a reality.

Can't let the mundanes catch on to what is about to be done to them, until they actually do it, then, a failed state and collapsed economy keeps them busy just trying to survive.

Either way, keep 'em distracted with bright shiny things and then with just trying to find the basics of survival, you keep them too busy to revolt against you.

[Inkblots]

Bump.

[Pericles]

Leaves us with just one recourse - shoot back. At least we still have that one advantage over the population of the Soviet Union.

[purplechoe]

Make that three steps back. This is really very serious.

Actually, the analogy comes from communism progressing in the 20th century. Actually it goes "2 steps foreword, 1 step back, 2 step foreword, 1 step back". What it means is that the communists take over and take your system towards communism/ socialism. People get angry and revolt or the system just collapses. Most people are so used to at least some socialistic policies that the new government goes back one step. As time progresses and we go the next two steps in socialism, the cycle continues... either way, you end up with more and more socialism and even those who espouse to be conservatives are already justifying socialism, like Medicare and Social Security...

here's your proof, just listen to this socialist...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQT_d2YPimI

[Razmear]

This is fascism, not socialism. Folks get all worked up about free heath care but could care less about the Government being able to execute it's own citizens as enemy combatants for using their 1st Amendment rights.

[Anti Federalist]

This is fascism, not socialism. Folks get all worked up about free heath care but could care less about the Government being able to execute it's own citizens as enemy combatants for using their 1st Amendment rights.

Exactly right.

[Philhelm]

Uh oh! The nasty government crossed another line. It looks like we'll have to take a few steps back, draw another line, and make sure that they understand that we will not let them cross it this time. This time it's war, figuratively speaking. We'll have to petition in order to be allowed to protest or to conduct a sit-in, but once allowed, we will mean business this time! And don't forget to send politie letters to representatives begging and pleading for them to reconsider.