EPA To Fine Property Owners For Rainwater Runoff

[hillbilly123069]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2010-03-28-runoff-fees_N.htm

http://epa.gov/npdes/pubs/icr_fedreg.pdf

[RSLudlum]

Here in Charleston County, we already have a base rate stormwater fee of $36/year with a minimum fee of $18/year. I have to pay $24 but of course it varies depending on size and type of property. I'm curious if this will lead to an increase in the rate.

We just received a notice with our water/sewage bill yesterday that rates are going up, and will be increasing 5% again in Dec 2011 and another 5% in Dec 2012. I wonder if this has anything to do with it at all.

Thanks for the link.

[Acala]

Of course in most places by FAR the greatest source of pollution to surface water run off is corporate agriculture, contributing vast amounts of chemical fertilizer and pesticides. They are exempt from the regulations imposed on other sources.

[LibForestPaul]

LOL.
So you get fined by the EPA or sued when you attempt to collect run-off.

If this were not affecting Americans so, it really would be comical. I suppose it is a tragic comedy.

[RSLudlum]

I guess I was naive to think I would be saving money by setting up a rain barrel for the garden.

[Uriel999]

I guess I was naive to think I would be saving money by setting up a rain barrel for the garden.

Set up the rain barrel for collection but hide it behind a fence. What they won't see can't hurt you.

[AGRP]

How much will they be charging us for the sun?

[Anti Federalist]

Set up the rain barrel for collection but hide it behind a fence. What they won't see can't hurt you.

Google Earth.

They see everything, nothing is outside the realm of the total surveillance state.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20012396-71.html

[RSLudlum]

Set up the rain barrel for collection but hide it behind a fence. What they won't see can't hurt you.

Shaking my head in disbelief that I have to hide water. :(

[RSLudlum]

Google Earth.

They see everything, nothing is outside the realm of the total surveillance state.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20012396-71.html

I guess I'll have to get inventive and install some well placed mirrors to blind their viewing.

[Anti Federalist]

Shaking my head in disbelief that I have to hide water. :(

Water is the new crude oil.

Manufactured scarcity and regulated to the hilt.

[romacox]

How much will they be charging us for the sun?

or the air we breath?

[Dr.3D]

Are they going to start charging for the water we get from our wells?

[tangent4ronpaul]

Are they going to start charging for the water we get from our wells?

http://www.kideternal.com/Jetgirl/Pictures/Jet%20Leads%20Tank.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Girl_%28film%29

-t

[hillbilly123069]

I guess I was naive to think I would be saving money by setting up a rain barrel for the garden.
Colorado legalized it recently..
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/us/29rain.html
As for my thoughts on the most common thought, they charge us to make money. The charge us again when we spend that same money. They charge us again if we save a significant amount of that same money. They charge us again annually for items purchased with that same money. They charge us again to use(license) these items purchased with that same money and tell us its a luxury, not a right. They charge us if we dispay independent thought. They charge us again for accidents. They charge us till they squeeze the last drop of life out of every nickel we have.

[Captain Shays]

Of course in most places by FAR the greatest source of pollution to surface water run off is corporate agriculture, contributing vast amounts of chemical fertilizer and pesticides. They are exempt from the regulations imposed on other sources.


Sorry but you're dead wrong. In most places the greatest amount of pollution comes from non point sources.

[Captain Shays]

LOL.
So you get fined by the EPA or sued when you attempt to collect run-off.

If this were not affecting Americans so, it really would be comical. I suppose it is a tragic comedy.

If you read it again they are charging for run off not what you collect. Unfortunately in some places they already attempted to impose a tax on rain water. I'm not sure if they were successful but I know they tried. It would be a shame if they did because I have been in the rain water collection business for about 10 years and when I first started there wasn't much going on but this past year was crazy. I couldn't keep up with the orders. The idea has caught on like a firestorm and its expected to continue. But the government could put a stop to it quick if or when they start to impose taxes on rain water systems.

[Anti Federalist]

Are they going to start charging for the water we get from our wells?

Already being done.

http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2010/03/tax-on-water-wells-in-oklahoma.html

[hillbilly123069]

"Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water"
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/us/29rain.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html#ixzz17wHfsy qr

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oG7mL2TAVNLFgBWlhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1Z29hZmN lBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDAzOV8xN jc-/SIG=12lcl2hfm/EXP=1292279414/**http%3a//www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html

[Dr.3D]

Already being done.

http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2010/03/tax-on-water-wells-in-oklahoma.html

They start doing that crap around the country, and I'm afraid we can expect to see a lot more "Killdozer" events.

YouTube - Killdozer Helicopter News Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA)

[Philhelm]

Google Earth.

They see everything, nothing is outside the realm of the total surveillance state.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20012396-71.html

I'm not surprised that it was you who had beaten me to it. In any case, the government employs the All-Seeing Eye of Sauron, as that Pennsylvania state tax commercial had clearly implicated (You know, the "we're watching you" commercial).

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not surprised that it was you who had beaten me to it. In any case, the government employs the All-Seeing Eye of Sauron, as that Pennsylvania state tax commercial had clearly implicated (You know, the "we're watching you" commercial).

:D :mad: :mad: :mad:

YouTube - PA Tax Nazis Know Who You Are (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aD5VIGBkew)

[awake]

The EPA is going to be - where - it's - at fellas... Control freak central. Carbon is poison!

The EPA: Where 'shut your filthy hole' actually means something.

Add another war to list; the war on sanity.

[Philhelm]

:D :mad: :mad: :mad:

YouTube - PA Tax Nazis Know Who You Are (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aD5VIGBkew)

Yeah, that's the one. Anyone here remember the movie "Enemy of the State" starring Will Smith? It was one of those government "conspiracy" films in which they used an advanced Google Earth to track people. Far-fetched, eh? A few years later Google Earth was released...

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, that's the one. Anyone here remember the movie "Enemy of the State" starring Will Smith? It was one of those government "conspiracy" films in which they used an advanced Google Earth to track people. Far-fetched, eh? A few years later Google Earth was released...

And the birth date of the villain in that film, Thomas Reynolds, prominently mentioned?

9/11/1940.

LoL, seriously though, it's interesting to note that one of the criticism of that film (which happens to be in my top ten list) is that the clicking efficiency and capabilities of the surveillance complex were "not realistic".

As one who had not yet awoken to the true horror of everything that was coming down the pike, I naively made that same criticism myself.

Sadly, how wrong we all were.

The surveillance grid described by Brill, including his reference to ECHELON, and what it was capable of then, over ten years ago, was exactly correct, if anything, it was understated.

[Acala]

Sorry but you're dead wrong. In most places the greatest amount of pollution comes from non point sources.

Agricultural runoff IS a non-point source. That is why it is not regulated under the Clean Water Act in the same way as, for example, the effluent for an industrial process or waste water treatment plant, or an MS4 (Municipal Separate Storm Sewer System).