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PatriotOne
12-10-2010, 08:33 AM
i knew his name sounded familiar. Peter Schiff debated him last year (Peter Schiff debates and owns David Epstein of Columbia University -- Nov 11 2009 http://www.dailypaul.com/node/118753)




Sounds like his personal choices are about as sound as his professional advice.


Columbia professor is charged with incest, accused of bedding young relative for 3 years


A popular Columbia professor was charged Thursday with incest - accused of a sick sex relationship with a female relative, prosecutors said.

Political science Prof. David Epstein, 46, bedded the young woman over a three-year period ending last year, according to court papers.

He was arraigned before a Manhattan judge on a single felony incest count.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/12/09/2010-12-09_columbia_professor_is_charged_with_incest_accus ed_of_bedding_young_relative_for_.html#ixzz17if5mR Yz

Brooklyn Red Leg
12-10-2010, 08:36 AM
i knew his name sounded familiar. Peter Schiff debated him last year

Sounds like his personal choices are about as sound as his professional advice.

The guy may be a slimy douchebag, but as long as the relationship was consensual, its none of ours or the government's business.

Feeding the Abscess
12-10-2010, 08:41 AM
Yeah, I agree. If she was over 18, this is a little twisted, but certainly should not be a crime unless it wasn't consensual.

PatriotOne
12-10-2010, 08:55 AM
Strangly enough what that article didn't mention was that it was his daughter, not some random relative. You can bet the farm, he molested her as a child.

Professor David Epstein charged with incest with his daughter

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2010/12/10/professor-david-epstein-charged-incest-his-daughter

specsaregood
12-10-2010, 08:59 AM
Lol @


an update on epstein’s facebook account says he is no longer listed as married.

MikeStanart
12-10-2010, 09:01 AM
lol what a creeper.

Brooklyn Red Leg
12-10-2010, 09:01 AM
Strangly enough what that article didn't mention was that it was his daughter, not some random relative. You can bet the farm, he molested her as a child.

That will be determined in a court of law, vis-a-vis molestation. However, as much as people may find it abhorrent, if their relationship after she turned 18 was consensual, its none of our business.

Epic
12-10-2010, 09:03 AM
Sources said the victim was over 18 when the relationship began in 2006 and that the two often exchanged twisted text messages.

Epstein faces up to four years behind bars if convicted.


Was it his daughter?

Legend1104
12-10-2010, 09:03 AM
Wow that is sick. I did not realize incest was a crime. How close do you have to be before it is called incest?

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PatriotOne
12-10-2010, 09:15 AM
Was it his daughter?

Professor David Epstein charged with incest with his daughter

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/201...t-his-daughter

PatriotOne
12-10-2010, 09:18 AM
That will be determined in a court of law, vis-a-vis molestation. However, as much as people may find it abhorrent, if their relationship after she turned 18 was consensual, its none of our business.

Strange there has been no mentioned whether the daugther has been charged also.

PatriotOne
12-10-2010, 09:19 AM
I'd like to know who accused him of it also. The daughter?

Rael
12-10-2010, 09:28 AM
Pics of the daughter?

libertybrewcity
12-10-2010, 09:32 AM
Yeah, I agree. If she was over 18, this is a little twisted, but certainly should not be a crime unless it wasn't consensual.

so it's not twisted if she was under 18? whoa.

ivflight
12-10-2010, 09:48 AM
We may find this unusual, but my guess is pretty much everyone has some unusual sexual attractions (consider the genres of porn online). I don't think we should judge people based on their sexuality. There is no good reason to say that incest is sick, it just happens that many of us were taught so early on. In in India it is very common for people to intermarry pretty closely.

specsaregood
12-10-2010, 09:55 AM
There is no good reason to say that incest is sick, it just happens that many of us were taught so early on.

Well genetics and the high rate of defects/abnormalities resulting from such a coupling might indicate that it is a bit "sick" according to nature.

Feeding the Abscess
12-10-2010, 10:04 AM
so it's not twisted if she was under 18? whoa.

Not what I said. I said that since she's 18+, it's a matter of consensual adults making their own decisions, as an argument against the act being illegal (even if it's repugnant).

Matt Collins
12-10-2010, 10:05 AM
This NOT the same as Richard Epstein the libertarian legal scholar.

PatriotOne
12-10-2010, 10:30 AM
Hmmmmm....I was just wondering how this charge came about in the first place. I suspect perhaps the recently divorced wife might have ratted them out and perhaps the reason for the divorce.

Brian4Liberty
12-10-2010, 10:43 AM
Years ago, a friend dated a girl who had done the same thing. She openly discussed it. Apparently the parents were divorced, and she hadn't seen her father since she was a little girl, and then moved to his part of the country and moved in with him after she was over 18 (she may have been 21). Guess they had a reunion. Seems that the father was guilty over it, but the girl was proud of it in a weird way. Talk about a daddy complex... :eek:

Don't know what purpose putting them in jail would serve though.

bigronaldo
12-10-2010, 10:55 AM
Nothing new... ;-)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:30-38&version=NIV

Krugerrand
12-10-2010, 11:03 AM
Nothing new... ;-)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:30-38&version=NIV

What is your point? Murder is not new either:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4&version=NIV

Batman
12-10-2010, 11:07 AM
Wow that is sick. I did not realize incest was a crime. How close do you have to be before it is called incest?

That's a good question. I think it depends on the state.

bigronaldo
12-10-2010, 11:27 AM
What is your point? Murder is not new either:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4&version=NIV

That's true. I guess that was a bad example since Lot was "raped". Just trying to make the point that they didn't go to jail for incest. Not really sure why I brought the bible into it. This story was just the first thing to pop into my head.

I guess my point is that if she was over 18 and they both consented, why is it a crime? I can understand it being against the law for them to marry and try to have kids.

EDIT: Just to clarify. I am not condoning it. I find it rather disturbing. But to each their own, as long as it's consensual.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
12-10-2010, 11:42 AM
So you guys think fucking your daughter is cool. Yikes.

Feeding the Abscess
12-10-2010, 11:46 AM
So you guys think fucking your daughter is cool. Yikes.

There's a canyon between indifference as to what two consenting adults do with each other and thinking something is desirable.

Brooklyn Red Leg
12-10-2010, 11:57 AM
So you guys think fucking your daughter is cool. Yikes.

:rolleyes:

Give me a fucking break. Whether you find it repugnant or not, it was apparently consensual. That, right there, should be the end of the discussion.

libertybrewcity
12-10-2010, 12:00 PM
the schiff/epstein debate is one of the best works of peter schiff i have ever seen. he destroyed epstein

too bad they didn't find out arthur laffer was engaging in incest

Brian4Liberty
12-10-2010, 12:02 PM
So you guys think fucking your daughter is cool. Yikes.

Yikes is right. No one thinks it's cool!

dannno
12-10-2010, 12:39 PM
Strangly enough what that article didn't mention was that it was his daughter, not some random relative. You can bet the farm, he molested her as a child.



I wouldn't bet the farm that she was molested. I'm sure he hugged her and gave her regular fatherly attention, and obviously could have molested her, or maybe somebody else did, but just as likely nothing happened.

The relationship started when she was 21 or 24.. apparently there are some twisted text messages. Maybe she fantasized about her dad growing up and decided she didn't like the other guys in college like she liked her dad.. A lot of girls have those feelings to some degree about their father, generally non-sexual I think, but who knows. I'm sure everybody has heard about the Oedipus Complex, it applies to girls too:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex


Maybe he never even really considered anything until she brought it up, then it triggered those kinds of thoughts. Who knows. But it totally could have been her who initiated the relationship.

I have no problem with it, I would just like to assume that the daughter knows she really shouldn't be having kids with her dad.

RonPaulCult
12-10-2010, 12:44 PM
I'm trying to think of a way to tie this conversation back to male circumcision. That will really make for another fun weekend debate.

dannno
12-10-2010, 12:46 PM
Strange there has been no mentioned whether the daugther has been charged also.

+1

Why is it always the male that gets charged in these things? Total bullshit.

I remember in California one time they tried to prosecute a 16 year old male for having sex with a 15 year old female.. because she couldn't consent.. The question was then why wasn't she convicted also for having sex with a minor :confused:

HOLLYWOOD
12-10-2010, 12:57 PM
+1

Why is it always the male that gets charged in these things? Total bullshit.

I remember in California one time they tried to prosecute a 16 year old male for having sex with a 15 year old female.. because she couldn't consent.. The question was then why wasn't she convicted also for having sex with a minor :confused:
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Batman
12-10-2010, 02:13 PM
I remember in California one time they tried to prosecute a 16 year old male for having sex with a 15 year old female.. because she couldn't consent.. The question was then why wasn't she convicted also for having sex with a minor :confused:

No leeway for one year age difference? There's four years between me and my wife.

dannno
12-10-2010, 02:30 PM
No leeway for one year age difference? There's four years between me and my wife.

I'm pretty sure there is a 3 year rule now, this was a while ago I think. I'm not sure of the details, they might have even been the same age. I read it a long time ago, and I don't know that it was even verified as it was an anecdotal comment about somebody who knew of the incident happening first hand. For me it's just the principle, so many people always assume that whenever a man and a woman have sex and THEY personally don't approve some how it's the man's fault, like he must have some how tricked her into having sex with some mind games or something, or that girls don't have the ability to make good decisions so the man should make those decisions. Obviously some girls don't always make good decisions, but that can't always be blamed on the men, how were they supposed to know? Really young girls should be protected, other times there is some power issue.. but it is the assumption that bothers me because it isn't always the case.

Captain Shays
12-10-2010, 02:32 PM
The article referred to the female half of this "relationship" as "the victim" yet preceded that by pointing out that they sent to each other text messages. How is she a victim if she is willfully participating? To answer my own question the article did say that the relationship has gone on for 3 years and the girl is now 18. So that means she must have been only 15 when her own father started boffing her. She may not see herself a a victim today but she certainly was at the age of 15 especially when her own father was doing it to her. Even if he didn't force her, initially he was still a natural authority and strong influence simply by virtue of his position as a parent. There is a natural trust that children have for their parents and that trust was horribly abused.
He's a sick piece of crap

Feeding the Abscess
12-10-2010, 02:33 PM
Nah, relationship started after she was 18, as per the article.

dannno
12-10-2010, 02:50 PM
The article referred to the female half of this "relationship" as "the victim" yet preceded that by pointing out that they sent to each other text messages. How is she a victim if she is willfully participating? To answer my own question the article did say that the relationship has gone on for 3 years and the girl is now 18. So that means she must have been only 15 when her own father started boffing her. She may not see herself a a victim today but she certainly was at the age of 15 especially when her own father was doing it to her. Even if he didn't force her, initially he was still a natural authority and strong influence simply by virtue of his position as a parent. There is a natural trust that children have for their parents and that trust was horribly abused.
He's a sick piece of crap

I think the article said she is 24, or was 24 when it began, so she was at least 21 when the relationship started.

Batman
12-10-2010, 02:56 PM
I think the article said she is 24, or was 24 when it began, so she was at least 21 when the relationship started.

If that's true then I don't see where the government gets the authority to prosecute this.

Captain Shays
12-10-2010, 03:31 PM
Thanks for the correction. I don't know where I got 18 from but this whole thing disgusts me so much that I'll just take your words for it rather than go back and read it again.

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12-10-2010, 03:32 PM
this post fulfills every northerner's stereotype of the south

I just burst out laughing. I'm sorry. :D