Wikileaks cable: USA Funding Child Sex Parties In Afghanistan

[angelatc]

http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2010/12/wikileaks-afghan-child-sex-parties-funded-by-the-usa.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RedstateeclecticCommentary+%2 8RedStateEclectic+Commentary%29 - that's where I wrote about it.

If you want to skip straight to the source, then go here: http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

[low preference guy]

there might be a typo at the end. did you mean shame on you instead of same?

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I really have no words for this.. Just when I think I cannot possibly be any more disgusted I find a whole new level of disgust exists. Sad thing is that the general public will not give a shit and will just continue to bury their heads in the sand so they can keep buying the holiday sale items and watching American Idol like nothing else in the world exists.

[angelatc]

there might be a typo at the end. did you mean shame on you instead of same?

Yes, thanks! I'll go fix that.

[Mach]

This should be on MSM as breaking news, but I think it's just going to sit there.

Even if it is "reported on," the wording they use will be nicely filtered.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Disgusting, this sick shit is unreal. This will stay swept under the rug, while Jullian is ass rammed into prison.

[fisharmor]

Just remember, somehow this is keeping us safe.

[pacelli]

95% taxpayer funded, eh?

[PatriotOne]

Disgusting yes, but it is standard operating procedure. "They" have sponsored and used pedophilia for many purposes. Blackmail among other things including those people representing us in Congress and the Senate.

See Cathy O'Brien video's

See Conspiracy of Silence video's

[Bobster]

Email this to Drudge:
drudge@drudgereport.com

Let's get this on the page. I've already sent one myself.

[kliquid]

Just remember, somehow this is keeping us safe.

The sad thing is that there will be people who try to say this with a straight face.

[pcosmar]

"Nothing new under the sun"

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews2/boystown/

But the media will continue to demonize Wikileaks rather than continue the investigation.

:mad:

[fisharmor]

95% taxpayer funded, eh?

Does the other 5% come from bacha bazi patrons?

[kliquid]

Does the other 5% come from bacha bazi patrons?

Probably from the children themselves. Stolen piggy banks?

... they probably don't have piggy banks, do they? :eek:

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/contractor-bought-afghan-policemen-drugs-boys-cable-reveals/

US contractor bought Afghan policemen drugs, little boys, cable reveals

http://rawreplaymedia.com/media/2010/1012/Hanif-Atmar-was-Afghanist-007.jpg
US State Dept. called ownership of Afghan 'dancing boys' a 'culturally sanctioned form of male rape'

The Afghanistan interior minister was so concerned about an incident where DynCorp, a US contractor charged with training Afghan police, bought drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" that he asked the US embassy to work to "quash" the story, a secret US diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks indicates.
In Afghan society, "dancing boys" are little boys dressed as girls, commonly abused and kept by some men as possessions.
As Joel Brinkley reported for SFGate.com (http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-08-29/opinion/22949948_1_karzai-family-afghan-men-president-hamid-karzai), many Afghan Pashtun tribal men take boys age 9 to 15 as lovers. The US State Department recently called "dancing boys" a "widespread, culturally sanctioned form of male rape."
Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.


"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."
"Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover," wrote Brinkley. "Literally it means 'boy player.' The men like to boast about it."
"Everyone tries to have the best, most handsome and good-looking boy," a former mujahideen commander told Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSISL1848920071119) in 2007. "Sometimes we gather and make our boys dance and whoever wins, his boy will be the best boy."
Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is Pashtun. Brinkley's sources say that one or two members of Karzai's family had taken boy lovers, but that was unconfirmed.
According to the newly leaked cable (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/213720), the then-Ministor of Interior Hanif Atmar worried that if the story became public then lives would be in danger. Atmar also warned that a video of the incident might be released by the media,
"On the Kunduz Regional Training Center (RTC) DynCorp event of April 11 (reftel), Atmar reiterated his insistence that the U.S. try to quash any news article on the incident or circulation of a video connected with it," the cable said.
"Atmar said he insisted the journalist be told that publication would endanger lives. His request was that the U.S. quash the article and release of the video," the cable continued. "Amb Mussomeli responded that going to the journalist would give her the sense that there is a more terrible story to report."
Atmar then disclosed the arrest of two Afghan National Police (ANP) and nine other Afghans (including RTC language assistants) as part of an MoI investigation into Afghan "facilitators" of the event. The crime he was pursuing was "purchasing a service from a child," which in Afghanistan is illegal under both Sharia law and the civil code, and against the ANP Code of Conduct for police officers who might be involved. He said he would use the civil code and that, in this case, the institution of the ANP will be protected, but he worried about the image of foreign mentors.
A July 2009 article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/26/AR2009072602358.html) by The Washington Post mentioned the incident but appeared to minimize the nature of such a practice.
"One effort to train Afghan civilian police has drawn attention from the State Department's inspector general following incidents of questionable management oversight, including one instance in which expatriate DynCorp employees in Afghanistan hired a teenage boy to perform a tribal dance at a company farewell party and videotaped the event," the Post's Ellen Nakashima wrote.

The cable also said that the interior minister had requested that the US military take over the control over the training centers that DynCorp was managing, but he was informed that such an arrangement was legally impossible.
"Atmar said that President Karzai had told him that his (Atmar's) 'prestige' was in play in management of the Kunduz DynCorp matter and another recent event in which Blackwater contractors mistakenly killed several Afghan citizens. The President had asked him 'Where is the justice?'" the cable reported.

YouTube - Afg - Gay Pashtuns make Pashtun boys dance in girls' dress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpqqaNvR_iQ) shows an example of a Pashtun boy forced to dance in a girl's dress. Some Afghan girls have actually found a greater sense of freedom (http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/in-afghanistan-boys-are-prized-and-girls-live-the-part-53594) by dressing up as boys.
Atmar "understood that within DynCorp there were many 'wonderful' people working hard, and he was keen to see proper action taken to protect them; but, these contractor companies do not have many friends."
In June of this year, Atmar resigned as Minister of Interior.
In August, Karzai surprised the US Embassy in Kabul by announcing that he was banning foreign security contractors (http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/2010/08/17/officials-karzai-blindsided-u-s-embassy-with-contractor-ban-announcement.html).

"[T]he [US] officials say that Karzai gave no advance notice to the embassy or other U.S. officials that he would attempt to address the problem with the radical step of trying to outlaw such contractors with the stroke of a pen," Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/2010/08/17/officials-karzai-blindsided-u-s-embassy-with-contractor-ban-announcement.html) reported.
While the decision left some contractors panicked, many humanitarian aid workers have praised Karzai (http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900sid/VVOS-8ANQ2V?OpenDocument).
"To the extent that it [the ban] helps to de-militarize the environment and to the extent that it reinforces the government's monopoly on the use of force, I think ultimately it would be a positive thing," Nic Lee, director of ANSO, a non-profit humanitarian project, said.
The ban was scheduled to begin Dec. 17 but in late October, Karzai delayed it by two months (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8090771/Afghanistan-ban-on-security-firms-delayed-by-two-months.html).
"Whether the ban ever takes place now remains to be seen, but it seems clear that it will have minimal impact on the contractor industry if it does," Jason Ditz wrote for Antiwar.com (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/10/27/karzai-announces-two-month-delay-on-contractor-ban/).

[Lucille]

I knew this was going on (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL), but to hear we're funding it...

I'm sure you're right we'll hear nary a peep from the militant, democracy spreading neocon right and the US Statist press about US tax dollars funding this disgusting practice. It would jam up their "wikileaks is the enemy" narrative

NPR: Uncovering the world of "bacha bazi"Journalist Najibullah Quraishi starts investigating what's happening to Afghan boys, bought and trained to entertain at all-men parties. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/view/)

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTxmeE7w3HC-wvfQUB6OiXPir00QQHZ3NUdwPx4CEky0WlHPKHrQ

[Pericles]

Really good "smoking gun" issue to illustrate why the US should not be in the nation building exercise in other cultures.

The only national interest of the US is in preventing AQ attacks.

[ItsTime]

I think my eyes are bleeding.

[lester1/2jr]

I saw a thing on frontline on the bacha bazzi. it was probably the most disgusting thing I've ever seen or heard of in my entire life.

[TheDriver]

As you can see it’s just another day in Afghanistan, fighting for freedom.

Our mission in Afghanistan is over – there are no more terrorist training camps. Any wild-eyed nation building plan should be stopped now. The people of Afghanistan can’t afford us, and we can’t afford them (see $14 trillion national debt)!

http://capitalistbanner.com/2010/12/08/u-s-taxpayers-funded-child-sex-party-in-afghanistan-for-police-recruits/

[specsaregood]

I'm sure you're right we'll hear nary a peep from the militant, democracy spreading neocon right and the US Statist press about US tax dollars funding this disgusting practice. It would jam up their "wikileaks is the enemy" narrative


On the otherhand it just increases their support for the narrative that we must kill all those muslims.....just saying

[buck000]

The bipartisan narrative will probably shift to "we need to save the women AND the dancing boys, so we must stay as long as it takes...."

[Bern]

You can't handle the truth!

[denison]

this is beyond dispicable, just when you think our government couldn't get any worse. i bet fox news won't be reporting this. maybe cnn.

[armstrong]

YouTube - Michael Franti & Spearhead : Time To Go Home (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSeuLsNV4CA)

time to come home........

[angelatc]

Email this to Drudge:
drudge@drudgereport.com

Let's get this on the page. I've already sent one myself.

It looks like it might e picking up a little steam on the blogosphere.

http://www.memeorandum.com/101207/p181#a101207p181 - drive traffic to those sites, talk about it in the comments on other sites, tweet it out to your lists, post it to Faceook.

This could be a very effective talking point. It is hard to defend subsidized pedophilia.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

But but but wait, I thought wikileaks is black ops, CIA shill, BS???

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, clearly this makes the US and its subcontractors look low... really really low. I doubt the CIA want's this hitting the news stands, hell they had it watered down before. Why would they re release it unabridged??

[armstrong]

YouTube - Michael Franti and Spearhead "Bomb The World", 9:30 Club (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsob06heSfQ&feature=related)

[armstrong]

I saw a thing on frontline on the bacha bazzi. it was probably the most disgusting thing I've ever seen or heard of in my entire life.

one of many things I agree with ,,,time to go come home

[UtahApocalypse]

this is beyond dispicable, just when you think our government couldn't get any worse. i bet fox news won't be reporting this. maybe cnn.

Thats is it!!!!

Can we fucking light up our torches, get out the damn pitchforks, tar and feathers yet??

I am beyond fucking pissed.

[amy31416]

Sent to Drudge:

drudge@drudgereport.com

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php
http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2010/12/wikileaks-afghan-child-sex-parties-funded-by-the-usa.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+RedstateeclecticCommentary+(Red StateEclectic+Commentary)

[Nate-ForLiberty]

But but but wait, I thought wikileaks is black ops, CIA shill, BS???



there is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism. I'd rather question everything than accept what i'm told.

[Lucille]

On the otherhand it just increases their support for the narrative that we must kill all those muslims.....just saying

This wikileaks thing (along with Christmas and Jennifer Grey winning DWTS [which I do not watch but pulled for her anyway]) is making me think of David Milch's John From Cincinnati. I was one of its "dozens of fans." - DM

I mean, I loved it! I haven't watched it since it aired, but I'm going to this Christmas.


JOHN: Fur is big. Mud is big. The stick is big. The word is big. Fire is huge. The wheel is huge. The line and circle are big. On the wall, the line and circle are huge. On the wall, the man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line. The man at the wall makes a Word on the wall from the circle and line. The Word on the wall hears my Father.

The zeroes and ones make the Word in Cass's camera.

In His-Word-in-Cass's-camera, the Internet is big. Nine-Eleven is big, but not every towel-head is eradicated. In His-Word, We are coming Nine-Eleven-Fourteen.

[...]

DEALER: Intrusions, evanescences – I'm a shepherd without crook or understanding. Fits and stops and starts. Waves and ripples and ramifications. Busted knee, mother-son handjob .... Christ, Jesus Christ Jesus Christ.

You and your twenty-five cars. Circle and line on the wall, and zeros and goddamned ones, is what to turn the both of your gifts to -- and not one damn minute to waste.

JOHN: Ragheads are going to get themselves eradicated.

DEALER: Country, I took you off-line.

YouTube - John From Cincinnati: John Monad's Motel Cookout Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyKoqcxfvqo)

YouTube - John From Cincinnati: Car Dealership Scene from Finale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8KL0_xuzCU)

[jmdrake]

Let's see:

For those that can't or won't click the link, bacha bazi is a pre-Islamic Afghan tradition that was banned by the Taliban. Bacha boys are eight- to 15-years-old. They put on make-up, tie bells to their feet and slip into scanty women's clothing, and then, to the whine of a harmonium and wailing vocals, they dance seductively to smoky roomfuls of leering older men.

After the show is over, their services are auctioned off to the highest bidder, who will sometimes purchase a boy outright. And by services, we mean anal sex: The State Department has called bacha bazi a "widespread, culturally accepted form of male rape." (While it may be culturally accepted, it violates both Sharia law and Afghan civil code.)

So the Taliban and Sharia law aren't all bad afterall.

[fisharmor]

So the Taliban and Sharia law aren't all bad afterall.

Even the neocon-glory-hole attendants were pointing out that the Taliban kept Afghanistan fairly poppy-free, right after the initial invasion when people started growing it again in droves....

[jmdrake]

http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2010/12/wikileaks-afghan-child-sex-parties-funded-by-the-usa.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RedstateeclecticCommentary+%2 8RedStateEclectic+Commentary%29 - that's where I wrote about it.

If you want to skip straight to the source, then go here: http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

Epic post. I love the intro.


(The Dell ate my awesome post, so this is what you're getting instead. I hate it when that happens!)

And this is classic.


While the big government wing of the GOP has been yammering about simultaneously assassinating Julian Assange and the First Amendment, the media has been ignoring a cable that would normally create a headline of glee over at any number of the Islamaphobic sites the GOP is currently burgeoning with:

I would add though that the Islamaphobes might not like this story because it shows that the Taliban actually banned the practice. This is just one fubar on top of another. I wonder what the reaction would be if this story was posted at redstate.com?

[bunklocoempire]

Thanks for posting this, and the blog. Words can't describe.:(:mad:

However, the possibility of young boys taking one for the Team (America) apparently is necessary....:rolleyes::mad:

Try to keep your lunch down.


DEMOCRAT QUOTES ON AFGHANISTAN
h ttp://www.gop.gov/policy-news/09/09/17/afghanistan-a-war-of-necessity

President Barack Obama: "This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which Al Qaida would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting; this is fundamental to the defense of our people." (8/17/2009)

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): "Today, the House begins to close this sad chapter in our history, to end the war in Iraq, and to refocus on the real fight against terrorism in Afghanistan. President Obama's new strategy will require additional sacrifices from our troops, but it recognizes that a successful effort in Afghanistan also demands that we improve training for the Afghan military and police, encourage governance reforms, and fund essential economic development efforts." (5/14/2009)

Majority Leader Hoyer (D-MD): "President Obama's announcement that he will send troop reinforcements to Afghanistan is the first step toward refocusing on the security and stabilization of that nation. Democrats have long said that the center of the war on terror is Afghanistan, and this renewed commitment to our fight there demonstrates the President's appreciation for this challenge...I look forward to working with the Administration, as they continue to review and develop a comprehensive strategy for the region." (2/17/2009)

Armed Services Committee Chairman Skelton (D-MO): "The war in Afghanistan is a critical mission that is finally gaining the attention it demands. The President's new Afghanistan strategy, which calls for an increase in military and civilian resources and also recognizes the vital importance of Pakistan efforts in the region, is a welcome development. To ensure our strategy in both countries is effective and achieves the intended goals within well-defined timelines, the bill requires the President to assess U.S. efforts and report on progress." (6/17/2009)


Bunkloco

[angelatc]

Epic post. I love the intro.


(The Dell ate my awesome post, so this is what you're getting instead. I hate it when that happens!)

And this is classic.


While the big government wing of the GOP has been yammering about simultaneously assassinating Julian Assange and the First Amendment, the media has been ignoring a cable that would normally create a headline of glee over at any number of the Islamaphobic sites the GOP is currently burgeoning with:

I would add though that the Islamaphobes might not like this story because it shows that the Taliban actually banned the practice. This is just one fubar on top of another. I wonder what the reaction would be if this story was posted at redstate.com?

Thanks for the kind words! If other people here have blogged about this, let me know and we can trade links. The more back and forth linkage we do, the higher our search ranking should be.

As for the Damned Dell, in the original pst I had managed to create a bi-partisian anti-war chant, but after I had to reboot, I couldn't recapture the flow and so I took it out.

"Hey, hey BHO - How many boys did we pay to blow? Hey, hey GWB - just how long were they on their knees? "

[tremendoustie]

This story needs to be front page everywhere.

[Pericles]

Epic post. I love the intro.


(The Dell ate my awesome post, so this is what you're getting instead. I hate it when that happens!)

And this is classic.


While the big government wing of the GOP has been yammering about simultaneously assassinating Julian Assange and the First Amendment, the media has been ignoring a cable that would normally create a headline of glee over at any number of the Islamaphobic sites the GOP is currently burgeoning with:

I would add though that the Islamaphobes might not like this story because it shows that the Taliban actually banned the practice. This is just one fubar on top of another. I wonder what the reaction would be if this story was posted at redstate.com?

The Kite Runner author would probably say that is was banned for everyone but the Taliban, who took some of the boys for themselves.

Part of the rest of one of the articles quoted:

Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure." Fundamentalist imams, exaggerating a biblical passage on menstruation, teach that women are "unclean" and therefore distasteful. One married man even asked Cardinalli's team "how his wife could become pregnant," her report said. When that was explained, he "reacted with disgust" and asked, "How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean?"

[dannno]

Wow, already passed page 4 and nobody has posted this youtube of Cynthia McKinney taking on Donald Rumsfeld regarding DynCorp's child sex slave trade allegations????

This video has been posted countless times on this forum, nobody remembers her railing against DynCorp for doing the same thing before in '99 and discussing allegations of current involvement?

YouTube - Cynthia McKinney takes on Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA)

[Lucille]

I see Stacy McCain posted a link (http://theothermccain.com/2010/12/08/worst-scandal-imaginable/) to this story, and I "liked" your comments, Angela.

[Bern]

YouTube - Stewie Griffin Having A Sexy Party! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-6SgnStVmY)

[Andrew-Austin]

Email this to Drudge:
drudge@drudgereport.com

Let's get this on the page. I've already sent one myself.

done.

[Vessol]

I'd love to see the social conservative neocons defend this, lmao.

[oyarde]

Probably from the children themselves. Stolen piggy banks?

... they probably don't have piggy banks, do they? :eek:

No piggy banks .

[oyarde]

I'd love to see the social conservative neocons defend this, lmao.

It cannot be defended by anyone but the insane . What does this make these Pashtuns with nine year olds ? This is what you arrive at eventually with repressive societies that leave young men with no access to women.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Wow, already passed page 4 and nobody has posted this youtube of Cynthia McKinney taking on Donald Rumsfeld regarding DynCorp's child sex slave trade allegations????

This video has been posted countless times on this forum, nobody remembers her railing against DynCorp for doing the same thing before in '99 and discussing allegations of current involvement?

YouTube - Cynthia McKinney takes on Donald Rumsfeld (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA)

She has her flaws, but it's almost unfair that the "Is Guam in danger of tipping over" guy defeated her.

[oyarde]

But but but wait, I thought wikileaks is black ops, CIA shill, BS???

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, clearly this makes the US and its subcontractors look low... really really low. I doubt the CIA want's this hitting the news stands, hell they had it watered down before. Why would they re release it unabridged??

CIA could care less .

[Lucille]

So has this been blogged over at neocon central (HotAir) yet, or is Paul's Nay vote on the resolution re the dissident from China (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=271966) more important than US taxpayers funding this disgusting, horrific crime?

(I've decided to avoid that place like the plague.)

[jclay2]

This is just crazy. Needs to get to Drudge Report.

[jmdrake]

Here's the actual cable and a bump.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/213720

[jmdrake]

She has her flaws, but it's almost unfair that the "Is Guam in danger of tipping over" guy defeated her.

It wasn't "almost" unfair. It was totally unfair. The police officer who claimed she "assaulted" him was actually violating Article 1 of the constitution by stopping her on her way to a session of congress in the first place.

And thanks Dannno for posting that video. Hopefully someone will take it, make a mashup with it and these latest Wikileaks revelations, and repost it. In fact it would make a good TV commercial for her comeback race, spliced up against the "Guam may tip over" dufus.

[amy31416]

It wasn't "almost" unfair. It was totally unfair. The police officer who claimed she "assaulted" him was actually violating Article 1 of the constitution by stopping her on her way to a session of congress in the first place.

And thanks Dannno for posting that video. Hopefully someone will take it, make a mashup with it and these latest Wikileaks revelations, and repost it. In fact it would make a good TV commercial for her comeback race, spliced up against the "Guam may tip over" dufus.

McKinney is the only one of the 3rd party candidates who personally responded to an e-mail I sent during the primaries. Certainly I don't agree with all of her political stances, but she's pretty damned courageous in speaking out against anyone who's doing unethical things in our government.

[Bern]

Here's the actual cable and a bump.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/213720

Denninger posted about it:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2303020

[idirtify]

Originally Posted by fisharmor
Just remember, somehow this is keeping us safe.


The sad thing is that there will be people who try to say this with a straight face.

Yes well, a form of it has already been said; “any story about the party would ‘endanger lives’."

[idirtify]

I saw a thing on frontline on the bacha bazzi. it was probably the most disgusting thing I've ever seen or heard of in my entire life.

Yes, I agree.

So finally the dirty sexual side of the deeply Islamic devotee comes out. I figured there had to be one, but this is the first I’ve heard of it from there. Actually, it happens quite often among deeply religious groups; they self-sabotage their sex-drives with their own severe puritanical restrictions, and they end up with worse sexual behavior as a result. It’s classic psychosexual pathology, but there it’s been going on for so long that it has become a cultural tradition where HALF the male population (and that’s probably conservative) does it.

So much for the macho profile of the Afghan fighter. What a joke!

[idirtify]

On the otherhand it just increases their support for the narrative that we must kill all those muslims.....just saying

Nah, it actually just reinforces the fact that we should get out of that cesspool.

[idirtify]

But but but wait, I thought wikileaks is black ops, CIA shill, BS???



yeah, sofia, what about that? you here?

[idirtify]

Thats is it!!!!

Can we fucking light up our torches, get out the damn pitchforks, tar and feathers yet??



NO. That’s what we are already doing. This just indicates that the whole area is a hopeless pile of dog shit. Any smart person stays out of dog shit.

[idirtify]

Let's see:

For those that can't or won't click the link, bacha bazi is a pre-Islamic Afghan tradition that was banned by the Taliban. Bacha boys are eight- to 15-years-old. They put on make-up, tie bells to their feet and slip into scanty women's clothing, and then, to the whine of a harmonium and wailing vocals, they dance seductively to smoky roomfuls of leering older men.

After the show is over, their services are auctioned off to the highest bidder, who will sometimes purchase a boy outright. And by services, we mean anal sex: The State Department has called bacha bazi a "widespread, culturally accepted form of male rape." (While it may be culturally accepted, it violates both Sharia law and Afghan civil code.)

So the Taliban and Sharia law aren't all bad afterall.

I know you are joking, but no. It’s actually the Taliban and Sharia law that are responsible; considering the explanation given in the article – that women are forced to cover their faces and boys are not. So then of course the horn-dog men are only left to stare at any soft-skinned thing with a hole. Oh…and since most of them were probably also pie-holed when they were boys, they have a natural (nurtured) sexual tendency for young boys (see: “generational cycle of abuse”).

[Feeding the Abscess]

It wasn't "almost" unfair. It was totally unfair. The police officer who claimed she "assaulted" him was actually violating Article 1 of the constitution by stopping her on her way to a session of congress in the first place.

And thanks Dannno for posting that video. Hopefully someone will take it, make a mashup with it and these latest Wikileaks revelations, and repost it. In fact it would make a good TV commercial for her comeback race, spliced up against the "Guam may tip over" dufus.

You're right, I forgot about that whole ordeal.

[Brian4Liberty]

How many trips has Lyndsey Graham taken to Afghanistan? :cool:

[jmdrake]

I know you are joking, but no. It’s actually the Taliban and Sharia law that are responsible; considering the explanation given in the article – that women are forced to cover their faces and boys are not. So then of course the horn-dog men are only left to stare at any soft-skinned thing with a hole. Oh…and since most of them were probably also pie-holed when they were boys, they have a natural (nurtured) sexual tendency for young boys (see: “generational cycle of abuse”).

I wasn't joking. I didn't say the Taliban were good just that they weren't all bad. They did put an end to this practice and that was a good thing. Further blaming this on "women being covered up" is silly. Child rape happens all the time in the U.S. and there is an official organization pushing to make it legal (NAMBLA), yet women aren't forced to cover up here. Plus the practice predates the Taliban forcing women to cover up. So I have to ask were YOU joking?

[jmdrake]

yeah, sofia, what about that? you here?

In case you missed it, sofia got banned for some odd reason, so he can't answer you.

[Brian4Liberty]

Further blaming this on "women being covered up" is silly.

Interesting. There could be something there. Denying access to females (covered or not) does artificially effect the "market". Sounds like a prison in the US...

[Vessol]

How many trips has Lyndsey Graham taken to Afghanistan? :cool:

It explains why he believes we should be in Afghanistan forever :eek:

[jmdrake]

Interesting. There could be something there. Denying access to females (covered or not) does artificially effect the "market". Sounds like a prison in the US...

Except in this case the rapes of boys were happening before the Taliban took power and after they were driven from power. So there's no causal link. Using your analogy, it would be like someone who way flaming gay before going to prison claiming that prison made him gay.

Further Sharia law does not "bar access to women". Muslim men can marry as many women as they can support.

[idirtify]

I wasn't joking. I didn't say the Taliban were good just that they weren't all bad. They did put an end to this practice and that was a good thing. Further blaming this on "women being covered up" is silly. Child rape happens all the time in the U.S. and there is an official organization pushing to make it legal (NAMBLA), yet women aren't forced to cover up here. Plus the practice predates the Taliban forcing women to cover up. So I have to ask were YOU joking?

You are right. The veiled women and the repressive religion would only be contributing factors, but not “responsible” as I previously miss-claimed. Of course the abusers are the ones responsible. But as B4L helps explain with the prison analogy, the religion’s mistreatment and dim view of women could contribute to the pedophile behavior quite a bit. But as you point out, the behavior surely predated the religion. That’s a good point, but then you have to wonder whether some of the religion’s doctrines were not a result of, and set up to perpetuate/support, the abusive behavior. Anyway, it’s good that we all agree the behavior is atrocious and antithetical to individual liberty; we are just discussing some details. When it comes to male homosexual pedophilia, there is much needed discussion – that is also relevant to our own country/countries.

And as this thread may suggest, sometimes it seems governments (even though this was a private contractor, it was acting as – hired by – a government) contribute to the behavior just a much as religions.

[angelatc]

I wasn't joking. I didn't say the Taliban were good just that they weren't all bad. They did put an end to this practice and that was a good thing. Further blaming this on "women being covered up" is silly. Child rape happens all the time in the U.S. and there is an official organization pushing to make it legal (NAMBLA), yet women aren't forced to cover up here. Plus the practice predates the Taliban forcing women to cover up. So I have to ask were YOU joking?

He's just an idiot. I have him on ignore precisely because he spews nonsense. This predates Islam, and it violates Sharia.

[angelatc]

I see Stacy McCain posted a link (http://theothermccain.com/2010/12/08/worst-scandal-imaginable/) to this story, and I "liked" your comments, Angela.

Thanks. I'm surprised Stacy hasn't booted me yet - I've been really snide about his position on the Wikieaks thing.

I think it's pretty telling when a self-professed journalist hasn't actually bothered to sit down and read the cables.

[idirtify]

He's just an idiot. I have him on ignore precisely because he spews nonsense. This predates Islam, and it violates Sharia.

Amusing. Angelatc has me on IGNORE, yet has obviously read my post and calls me an “idiot”. What does this mean? (Other than the obvious; that I made a disagreement in the past that was not appreciated.) Hmmm. Apparently one can read an ignored poster’s post when it’s in another’s quote-reply. Yet why would one read it, let alone reply to it – let alone insert an insult - if one actually wanted to ignore it???

In any case, I suppose I can’t defend myself against an insult in such a situation. Nor will Angelatc see my reply above where I agreed that jmdrake was right – unless someone happens to reply to it, thereby over-riding the IGNORE feature. Cliffhanger…

[Brian4Liberty]

Except in this case the rapes of boys were happening before the Taliban took power and after they were driven from power. So there's no causal link. Using your analogy, it would be like someone who way flaming gay before going to prison claiming that prison made him gay.

Further Sharia law does not "bar access to women". Muslim men can marry as many women as they can support.

I'm not an expert on Afghan history, but I assumed that most of their attitudes about women have been the same before, during and after the Taliban government. Some of those tribes pride themselves on not being influenced by which ever group happens to be in power in Kabul.

Ps I'm not saying this has anything to do with the Taliban.

[ExPatPaki]

I'm not an expert on Afghan history, but I assumed that most of their attitudes about women have been the same before, during and after the Taliban government.

Their attitudes about women have been the same before Islam as well.

[ExPatPaki]

That’s a good point, but then you have to wonder whether some of the religion’s doctrines were not a result of, and set up to perpetuate/support, the abusive behavior.

Please quote from Islamic sources these "doctrines". Otherwise you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[JVParkour]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Coldsteel1/SexCable.jpg

[idirtify]

Please quote from Islamic sources these "doctrines". Otherwise you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I can’t quote, but I assume there is something in Islam that’s behind the sentiment that regards women as unclean and has them wearing Burqas. Am I wrong?

[jmdrake]

We need to make posters of that and carry it at the next Tea party rallies. That is if they ever plan on having any more. I think now that they've milked the grassroots energy it's all "machine politics as usual". :(


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Coldsteel1/SexCable.jpg

[oyarde]

Amusing. Angelatc has me on IGNORE, yet has obviously read my post and calls me an “idiot”. What does this mean? (Other than the obvious; that I made a disagreement in the past that was not appreciated.) Hmmm. Apparently one can read an ignored poster’s post when it’s in another’s quote-reply. Yet why would one read it, let alone reply to it – let alone insert an insult - if one actually wanted to ignore it???

In any case, I suppose I can’t defend myself against an insult in such a situation. Nor will Angelatc see my reply above where I agreed that jmdrake was right – unless someone happens to reply to it, thereby over-riding the IGNORE feature. Cliffhanger…

I will have to research if some Pashtun tribes were routinely using male boys pre Islam . I somehow doubt it . This would surely be agaist Taliban and Sharia rules as well. This is crazy .

[oyarde]

Without looking , I will guess that Islam came to Afghanistan about 7th century .

[oyarde]

Prior to that , there would have been , Hindu's , Buhhdists and other religions .

[sratiug]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/Coldsteel1/SexCable.jpg

Wow. Outstanding poster.

[idirtify]

Prior to that , there would have been , Hindu's , Buhhdists and other religions .

Yeah, and before that too, there was probably something. I’m thinking that at least for modern humans, it would actually be pretty difficult to go back “pre-religion”. I suspect that ever since there was the big brain, there has been big superstition.

[oyarde]

Yeah, and before that too, there was probably something. I’m thinking that at least for modern humans, it would actually be pretty difficult to go back “pre-religion”. I suspect that ever since there was the big brain, there has been big superstition.

Yes , even Neandethal man could likely speak , communicate and find something to be supersticious about .

[oyarde]

I am going to guess Neanderthal man was not keeping young boys for sex though ...

[Pericles]

I am going to guess Neanderthal man was not keeping young boys for sex though ...

You mean they would not have devised a religion based on the males who command sufficient economic resources can have up to 4 women each, leaving about 50% of the male population to find other ways of amusing themselves by humping other males, fighting wars of conquest, and blowing stuff up?

[oyarde]

You mean they would not have devised a religion based on the males who command sufficient economic resources can have up to 4 women each, leaving about 50% of the male population to find other ways of amusing themselves by humping other males, fighting wars of conquest, and blowing stuff up?

Yes .

[idirtify]

I am going to guess Neanderthal man was not keeping young boys for sex though ...

Yeah. There were no prisons, no catholic churches, no boy scouts, and the hot hairy women were running around in loose-fitting tiger skins! :D

[oyarde]

Speaking of which , sometime google a cave lion and a dire wolf and look at those beasts .

[idirtify]

Speaking of which , sometime google a cave lion and a dire wolf and look at those beasts .

Wow, wolves and lions nearly twice as big as their modern counterparts! Back when men were men and beasts were beasts!

[puppetmaster]

any media on this?

[oyarde]

any media on this?

Needs to be , just because this is business as usual for those people , does not mean we should be paying to provide it . I think that is one thing all Americans can agree on .

[pcosmar]

any media on this?

Are you kidding.
They don't even want to touch the real issues.
:(

[amy31416]

any media on this?

Looked it up earlier today. Only 4 articles--3 of them were blogs.

[oyarde]

Looked it up earlier today. Only 4 articles--3 of them were blogs.

I had not seen a real article , it is good there is one .

[HOLLYWOOD]

So besides a quick snipet by MSNBC on their website... has any of the Main Stream Propaganda machines cover the US Taxpayer Felonies?

[amy31416]

I had not seen a real article , it is good there is one .

This is the closest I found to a real article: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/state_dept_no_one_touched_dancing_boy_at_dyncorp_p .php


Of the Wikileaks cache of diplomatic cables, one of the most potentially salacious is about the entertainment at a party thrown by DynCorp, a U.S. contractor training Afghan police, in April 2009. A 17-year-old boy was hired to dance.

In Afghanistan, hiring "dancing boys" is a long-held practice in which Afghan men hire young men and boys to dress like girls and dance at weddings and other parties. They don't hire girls, because in Afghan society men and women don't mix socially.

The dancing is one thing. But there are other practices associated with the dancing boys. As detailed in a Frontline documentary earlier this year, the boys are sometimes brought to hotels after the parties and prostituted. In some cases, their families sell them to warlords and other prominent Afghanis.

The implication in some of the stories being published now, thanks to the cable just released by Wikileaks, is that the boy hired by DynCorp was likely abused. The cable recounts a meeting in which the then interior minister of Afghanistan begs U.S. diplomats for help keeping the story out of the press, worried, he said, that lives would be in danger.

But according to both the State Department, which investigated the incident, and DynCorp, no such sexual abuse occurred.

"We did not find anything that there was any kind of misconduct of that kind at all," Susan Pittman, a spokeswoman for the State Department's Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, told TPM. "It was just inappropriate."

DynCorp says one manager present stopped the dancing halfway through after "recognizing that the situation was culturally insensitive." At the State Department's request, DynCorp fired several managers involved and flew "senior leadership" to Afghanistan to do face-to-face ethics training.

"They responded responsibly," the State spokeswoman said.

It was the appearance of impropriety everyone involved -- DynCorp, State, the Afghanistan government -- were worried about. News of a "dancing boy" at an American-hosted party could have deeply offended Afghanistan citizens.

Military analyst and expert on Afghanistan, Joshua Foust, tells TPM it's entirely possible that the DynCorp employees who hired the boy didn't know the cultural implications of such a performance.

The Afghan minister, Hanif Atmar, didn't entirely succeed in blocking news coverage of the party: the Washington Post ran a story in July 2009 that mentioned the party and the ensuing State Department and internal DynCorp investigations. But that was before "Frontline" publicized the plight of some of Afghanistan's dancing boys.



Now there's 6 articles, the other 5 are blogs that show up when you search for news on DynCorp.

[thasre]

Oh my god, this is the first I've read of this. And it comes just after I posted a series of rants on a Catholic website I visit, where a woman who thinks Julian Assange is a criminal half-seriously said that her readers should go to confession after they read a story she was posting about a leaked cable about UK/Vatican diplomacy surrounding the Pope's recent visit to Britain.

I ripped her a new one for suggesting that there's something sinful in even tangentially supporting Julian Assange when our government has been implicated in covering up instances where, for example, an Egyptian-American translator fisted a teenage boy in the asshole as an "interrogation technique", or attempting to hide photos of soldiers raping women which they traded with each other like baseball cards, or failing to report soldiers who raped children in front of their mothers as a way to get the mothers to tell the soldiers where the children's fathers were and whether they were involved in "terrorist activities".

I said it's revolting that people who claim to be Christian will express the highest moral outrage at Assange, who has done little more than embarrass our government, when they refuse to discuss or even acknowledge gross moral injustices that are being perpetuated and covered-up by our government.

And, lo and behold!, while I was typing my riot act to her, it was reported that WikiLeaks had managed to expose this tax-subsidized Afghani child-sex-trafficking debacle. And yet I'm supposed to believe that Julian Assange is a criminal and our "leaders" in the government are only trying to hide information from us for our safety!

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?!?!?!

[Don't Tread on Mike]

Idk about this one. If it were true there is no way this could be kept a secret. I think we may be missing some key facts....

[Vessol]

any media on this?

Fuck no.

I forwarded this to a friend of mine whom is a huge pro-war and pro-life person who is always bitching about pedophiles taking over society and how unsafe her kids are.

I've yet to her a response, but I can already imagine what it would be "Well, they are doing what they have to do. I'll always support the military 100%"

[dannno]

Fuck no.

I forwarded this to a friend of mine whom is a huge pro-war and pro-life person who is always bitching about pedophiles taking over society and how unsafe her kids are.

I've yet to her a response, but I can already imagine what it would be "Well, they are doing what they have to do. I'll always support the military 100%"

Hah, nice combo! Be sure to keep us posted..

[Lucille]

bump

[The Northbreather]

Wow Angela broke this 5 years ago..

+rep

[kcchiefs6465]

Excellent bump.

[Danke]

Oh my god, this is the first I've read of this. And it comes just after I posted a series of rants on a Catholic website I visit, where a woman who thinks Julian Assange is a criminal half-seriously said that her readers should go to confession after they read a story she was posting about a leaked cable about UK/Vatican diplomacy surrounding the Pope's recent visit to Britain.

I ripped her a new one for suggesting that there's something sinful in even tangentially supporting Julian Assange when our government has been implicated in covering up instances where, for example, an Egyptian-American translator fisted a teenage boy in the asshole as an "interrogation technique", or attempting to hide photos of soldiers raping women which they traded with each other like baseball cards, or failing to report soldiers who raped children in front of their mothers as a way to get the mothers to tell the soldiers where the children's fathers were and whether they were involved in "terrorist activities".

I said it's revolting that people who claim to be Christian will express the highest moral outrage at Assange, who has done little more than embarrass our government, when they refuse to discuss or even acknowledge gross moral injustices that are being perpetuated and covered-up by our government.

And, lo and behold!, while I was typing my riot act to her, it was reported that WikiLeaks had managed to expose this tax-subsidized Afghani child-sex-trafficking debacle. And yet I'm supposed to believe that Julian Assange is a criminal and our "leaders" in the government are only trying to hide information from us for our safety!

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?!?!?!

Whoa.

[THX 1138]

Remember, we have to support the mission on the ground.