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reagle
12-04-2010, 01:45 PM
Shortly after the PayPal announcement, Anonymous decided that the PayPal Blog would be its first DDoS target in Wikileaks related counterattacks.

The following statements were released on an Anonymous Twitter account:

“TANGO DOWN — thepaypalblog.com — Blog of Paypal, company that has restricted Wikileaks’ access to funding. #Paypal #Wikileaks #WL #DDoS”

“Close your #Paypal accounts in light of the blatant misuse of power to partially disable #Wikileaks funding. Join in the #DDoS if you’d like”

According to our stats, ThePayPalBlog.com has been down as of 4AM PST on 12/4/2010 and shows no sign of coming back online anytime soon.

Anonymous organizers had this to say in regards to the temporary switch in focus,

“While we don’t have much of an affiliation with WikiLeaks, we fight for the same: we want transparency (in our case in copyright) and we counter censorship. The attempts to silence WikiLeaks are long strides closer to a world where we can not say what we think and not express how we feel. We can not let this happen, that is why we will find out who is attacking WikiLeaks and with that find out who tries to control our world. What we are going to do when we found them? Except for the usual DDoSing, word will be spread that whoever tries to silence or discourage WikiLeaks, favors world domination rather than freedom and democracy.”

Update – 12/4/2010 – 10:50 AM PST:

After nearly 7 hours of constant attacks, the PayPal blog has either been deleted or permanently taken offline. Accessing the blog this morning revealed the following 403/access forbidden error:

http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/tis-the-season-of-ddos-wikileaks-editio/

lester1/2jr
12-04-2010, 01:46 PM
this seems like a good excuse for wikileaks to release everything

FrankRep
12-04-2010, 01:53 PM
Right on Cue.

The Government can use WikiLeaks and this Cyberwarfare as a justification to regulate and control the Internet.


Twilight of Internet Freedom? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/5386-twilight-of-internet-freedom)

If the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has its way, the sun is about to set on Internet freedom. By Charles Scaliger

Internet Freedom Targeted (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/2689-internet-freedom-targeted)

Ostensibly crafted to “protect cyberspace,” the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (S. 773) is a comprehensive measure that, if enacted, would give the President the power to “declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic.” By John F. McManus

Coming Cyberczar to Regulate Internet (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/1911-coming-cyberczar-to-regulate-internet)

President Obama is close to appointing a cyberczar (otherwise known as the National Cyberspace Adviser) to coordinate cybersecurity and regulate the Internet. By Steven J. DuBord

Bill Would Give President Internet Control (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/1773-bill-would-give-president-internet-control)

CNET News reported on August 28 that it had obtained a draft copy of a Senate bill (S. 773) that would “permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.” By Steven J. DuBord

President Obama’s Cybersecurity Plan (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/1188)

President Obama introduced his administration's new report on cybersecurity, but some of the promises he made about protecting privacy on the Internet ring hollow. by Steven J. DuBord

Specialist Claims China Waging Cyberwarfare (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/1134)

Kevin Coleman, a cybersecurity adviser to the U.S. government, claims China is waging cyberwarfare on the United States, but some of his claims about China's new operating system, Kylin, don't stand up under scrutiny and call into question his motives for making such a dire report to the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission. by Steven DuBord

New Cybersecurity Regime Proposed (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/983)

The proposed Cybersecurity Act of 2009 would enable the president to declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic,” with no exact definition of “cybersecurity emergency” given. By Ann Shibler

militant
12-04-2010, 03:51 PM
Think about it folks. As stated above, this is cyber warfare. This is the first true, broad case of electronic and information war. An individual is facing down the world's sole superpower publicly and the hackers and idealists are taking sides, attacking directly at the entities and powers that threaten him and his associates. Or alternately, former soldiers (so they say) anonymously attacking Wikileaks and its supporters. International arrest warrants while the man gives lectures and has coffee and relations with ladies all over Europe. An odd, striking, revolutionary figure is changing history, using the internet to build his own conspiratorial group and operation. Some in Congress calling for his assassination, while one calls for his defense and even his advancement. This is a James Bond villain, only, his cause is just. This is the sort of thing envisioned by the early hacker kids in the 80's and 90's. This is WarGames post-Cold War. This is the movie Hollywood couldn't ever produce.

Sentient Void
12-04-2010, 04:04 PM
DDoS attacks are not a libertarian means to an end.

Although I think it's unfortunate, it seems that WikiLeaks is in fact in breach of contract with PayPal, and PayPal has every right to shut down it's service to them.

However, i think WikiLeaks will find other ways to get funding from donors, perhaps from soemthing similar to PayPal out there. They'll find a way- the idea and desire for people to donate is too strong.

I don't think the attack on PayPal is justified, personally. Boycotting is another matter, though - and something that I support.

militant
12-04-2010, 05:10 PM
DDoS attacks are not a libertarian means to an end.

Although I think it's unfortunate, it seems that WikiLeaks is in fact in breach of contract with PayPal, and PayPal has every right to shut down it's service to them.

However, i think WikiLeaks will find other ways to get funding from donors, perhaps from soemthing similar to PayPal out there. They'll find a way- the idea and desire for people to donate is too strong.

I don't think the attack on PayPal is justified, personally. Boycotting is another matter, though - and something that I support.

I have to agree, after some thought. I'll give you that. But I don't blame those who do launch attacks online. I think when things get serious, like this, and so many other things lately, being a little aggressive is understandable. It's a matter of degree. What do you think?

pcosmar
12-04-2010, 05:13 PM
Normally I would be opposed to a DDos attack.

In this case I have to make exception.
This is fighting a denial of service with a denial of service.

Perhaps it will act as a warning to others.

lester1/2jr
12-04-2010, 05:18 PM
don't fuck with wikileaks

MyLibertyStuff
12-04-2010, 05:21 PM
This is certainly interesting........dont mind if I do :)

pcosmar
12-04-2010, 05:24 PM
I have to agree, after some thought. I'll give you that. But I don't blame those who do launch attacks online. I think when things get serious, like this, and so many other things lately, being a little aggressive is understandable. It's a matter of degree. What do you think?

It is an information war.
lines are being drawn.

Which side are you on? (Rhetorical question, no need to answer publicly)
;)

MyLibertyStuff
12-04-2010, 05:28 PM
Paypal blog has been taken out, organizer is looking for new targets....Anyone got a good one?

Sentient Void
12-04-2010, 05:38 PM
"The principle that the end justifies the means is in individualist ethics
regarded as the denial of all morals. In collectivist ethics it becomes
necessarily the supreme rule; there is literally nothing which the
consistent collectivist must not be prepared to do if it serves 'the
good of the whole,' because the 'good of the whole' is to him the only
criterion of what ought to be done." - F. A. Hayek

Sentient Void
12-04-2010, 05:41 PM
I have to agree, after some thought. I'll give you that. But I don't blame those who do launch attacks online. I think when things get serious, like this, and so many other things lately, being a little aggressive is understandable. It's a matter of degree. What do you think?

I don't blame them either, but it's misguided and not how we should go about such things.

It'd be one thing if PayPal engaged in information warfare first, and these guys were retaliating as self-defense, but that's not the case. PayPal has every right to dissolve their contract with WikiLeaks, unfortunately.

See the Hayek quote above.

Cowlesy
12-04-2010, 05:41 PM
Hackers have...principles?

Weird. Laudable no doubt, but weird.

MyLibertyStuff
12-04-2010, 05:43 PM
I don't blame them either, but it's misguided and not how we should go about such things.

It'd be one thing if PayPal engaged in information warfare first, and these guys were retaliating as self-defense, but that's not the case. PayPal has every right to dissolve their contract with WikiLeaks, unfortunately.

See the Hayek quote above.

Its all coming from 4chan, might as well watch the result of our ideology manifesting in whatever way it is...

militant
12-04-2010, 05:45 PM
It is an information war.
lines are being drawn.

Which side are you on? (Rhetorical question, no need to answer publicly)
;)

Obvious answer is obvious:D

UtahApocalypse
12-04-2010, 05:48 PM
notice PayPal, and Amazon did not care about "TOS violations" until 1) the U.S. government stepped in. 2) Assange has threatened that he will release info on a major bank.

MyLibertyStuff
12-04-2010, 05:53 PM
notice PayPal, and Amazon did not care about "TOS violations" until 1) the U.S. government stepped in. 2) Assange has threatened that he will release info on a major bank.

That seems like a stretch.

militant
12-04-2010, 05:56 PM
notice PayPal, and Amazon did not care about "TOS violations" until 1) the U.S. government stepped in. 2) Assange has threatened that he will release info on a major bank.

Neither service pre-screens, they accept all customers who can punch in the necessary banking information. Which I suppose conveniently allows them to accept anyone's business, and claim ignorance and shut them off when someone yells about it.

pcosmar
12-04-2010, 05:56 PM
Hackers have...principles?

Weird. Laudable no doubt, but weird.

Not all that weird.
First there is a distinct difference between Hackers and Crackers.
Secondly there are all kinds of Hackers, Most of them being the good guys.
The internet was created by Hackers.
I have no doubt that at some point the internet will be directly attacked by the government forces.
These are just skirmishes.

I also expect that there will be blowback.

Not all that weird.
;)

Sentient Void
12-04-2010, 06:00 PM
Its all coming from 4chan, might as well watch the result of our ideology manifesting in whatever way it is...

Indeed, and I will watch and enjoy - nothing unlibertarian in that, haha...

Otherwise, I wish 4chan would be more libertarian and engage themselves in more libertarian causes. They could do a lot of good with their unbelievable spontaneous order abilities... they have an unbelievable grassroots organization.

Hopefully Ron Paul supporters can pick back up where they left off the last time RP ran and show them up ;)

Sentient Void
12-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Still a bunch of ways to donate to PayPal BTW... PayPal wasn't the only method.

http://213.251.145.96/support.html

MyLibertyStuff
12-04-2010, 06:37 PM
Not all that weird.
First there is a distinct difference between Hackers and Crackers.
Secondly there are all kinds of Hackers, Most of them being the good guys.
The internet was created by Hackers.
I have no doubt that at some point the internet will be directly attacked by the government forces.
These are just skirmishes.

I also expect that there will be blowback.

Not all that weird.
;)

Ya, hackers get a bad rep. Back in the early days of the internet hackers were mostly good guys, only ripping off monopolists :)

MyLibertyStuff
12-04-2010, 06:40 PM
Indeed, and I will watch and enjoy - nothing unlibertarian in that, haha...

Otherwise, I wish 4chan would be more libertarian and engage themselves in more libertarian causes. They could do a lot of good with their unbelievable spontaneous order abilities... they have an unbelievable grassroots organization.

Hopefully Ron Paul supporters can pick back up where they left off the last time RP ran and show them up ;)

Yes, 4chan is a good study in spontaneous order :D

Remember Ron Paul went viral on 4chan for a while. I bet we picked up a massive amount of support just from people seeing it on 4chan constantly for a year replacing "hello"...lol

I bet when RP announces his 2012 run we see more pro-liberty activity than we did in 2008, given were not thrown into fema camps :(

MyLibertyStuff
12-04-2010, 06:41 PM
Still a bunch of ways to donate to PayPal BTW... PayPal wasn't the only method.

http://213.251.145.96/support.html

We should really try to set up a money bomb...

squarepusher
12-04-2010, 07:22 PM
Paypal blog has been taken out, organizer is looking for new targets....Anyone got a good one?

amazon? :)

Cowlesy
12-04-2010, 07:57 PM
Not all that weird.
First there is a distinct difference between Hackers and Crackers.
Secondly there are all kinds of Hackers, Most of them being the good guys.
The internet was created by Hackers.
I have no doubt that at some point the internet will be directly attacked by the government forces.
These are just skirmishes.

I also expect that there will be blowback.

Not all that weird.
;)

I dunno, Peter. Daily, there are people sending viruses to my computer to rip me off or just disrupt my living. I think it's malicious and an act of aggression.

If there are some out there who don't target random mundanes like me but go after true injustice, well, I don't have an opinion on that (because injustice is highly subjective).

I think we have a lot of brilliant computer minds on this forum, and I just hope they use their skills for liberty or to further their family's well-being as opposed to wanton acts of destruction on random people.

I'd go so far as to say that our information technology forum members have done a hell of a lot to promote liberty in creating sites and helping to propagate our message.

Kludge
12-04-2010, 08:06 PM
Silly to go after Paypal.

Go after everything Lieberman and like-minded people are associated with, especially PACs.

pcosmar
12-04-2010, 08:06 PM
I dunno, Peter. Daily, there are people sending viruses to my computer to rip me off or just disrupt my living. I think it's malicious and an act of aggression.



Yup, but those would fit the description of a Cracker.
A good description
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=1400

Or think of it this way. A hot rodder, Modifies a car for performance, Chops channels and paints it.
That is a Hacker.

Another guy hot-wires a car to joy ride or take it to a chop shop.
That is a Cracker

World of difference.
;)

fisharmor
12-04-2010, 08:19 PM
Yup, but those would fit the description of a Cracker.
A good description
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=1400

Or think of it this way. A hot rodder, Modifies a car for performance, Chops channels and paints it.
That is a Hacker.

Another guy hot-wires a car to joy ride or take it to a chop shop.
That is a Cracker

World of difference.
;)

Actually in order to do a lot of these attacks Anonymous needs to commandeer several thousand other machines in order to hide his tracks.
Some of the viruses that we get on our PCs aren't just going for CC numbers, they're trying to use your PC to attack other machines.

Personally, I know it's wrong, but I don't feel the hate here. Nor do I consider Anonymous to be particularly collectivist.

pcosmar
12-04-2010, 08:30 PM
Actually in order to do a lot of these attacks Anonymous needs to commandeer several thousand other machines in order to hide his tracks.
Some of the viruses that we get on our PCs aren't just going for CC numbers, they're trying to use your PC to attack other machines.

Personally, I know it's wrong, but I don't feel the hate here. Nor do I consider Anonymous to be particularly collectivist.

:D
I don't get Viruses. Well not any that work.

:p

eOs
12-04-2010, 08:47 PM
Actually in order to do a lot of these attacks Anonymous needs to commandeer several thousand other machines in order to hide his tracks.
Some of the viruses that we get on our PCs aren't just going for CC numbers, they're trying to use your PC to attack other machines.

Personally, I know it's wrong, but I don't feel the hate here. Nor do I consider Anonymous to be particularly collectivist.

I don't think anonymous has a botnet. They organize a single DOS attack from their own computers and collectively attack the target host, which turns into a DDOS. A lot of them don't know much about computers, they tag along and download a piece of software, type in an IP address and join the fray. Anyone can do it.

Kludge
12-04-2010, 08:59 PM
I don't think anonymous has a botnet. They organize a single DOS attack from their own computers and collectively attack the target host, which turns into a DDOS. A lot of them don't know much about computers, they tag along and download a piece of software, type in an IP address and join the fray. Anyone can do it.

IIRC, they often have a site set up where you simply click a button and then the computer starts making the requests to the targeted server.

angelatc
12-04-2010, 09:03 PM
DDoS attacks are not a libertarian means to an end.

Although I think it's unfortunate, it seems that WikiLeaks is in fact in breach of contract with PayPal, and PayPal has every right to shut down it's service to them.



I don't even think that Wikileaks is breaching the contract, but Paypal certainly has the right to not do business with anybody they choose to.

Jordan
12-04-2010, 10:00 PM
Hackers have...principles?

Weird. Laudable no doubt, but weird.

Assange was one of the most respected "ethical hackers" in the 1990s before he started Wikileaks.

Rael
12-05-2010, 05:30 AM
I don't think anonymous has a botnet. They organize a single DOS attack from their own computers and collectively attack the target host, which turns into a DDOS. A lot of them don't know much about computers, they tag along and download a piece of software, type in an IP address and join the fray. Anyone can do it.

They use some software called Low Orbit Ion Cannon.

"Operation Payback members use a modified version of the Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC).[55] In September 2010, a "Hive Mind" mode was added to the LOIC.[55] While in Hive Mind mode, the LOIC connects to the IRC, where it can be controlled remotely. This allows computers with LOIC installed on them to behave as if they were a part of a botnet. Utilising this tool, the coordinators of Operation Payback were able to quickly take down websites belonging to anti-piracy groups.[55] Botnets of all sizes have also been used."

lester1/2jr
12-07-2010, 11:50 AM
I don't even think that Wikileaks is breaching the contract, but Paypal certainly has the right to not do business with anybody they choose to.

and people have the right to boycott/ hate paypal for doing so

Sentient Void
12-07-2010, 11:58 AM
and people have the right to boycott/ hate paypal for doing so

Yes but not to initiate aggression (ie DDOS attacks) against them for it. That's quite different.

It's misguided. They're resorting to the same tactics that the US is. They're trying to bully them into submission.

Barbaric ends-justifies-the-means fail, if you ask me.

Andrew-Austin
12-07-2010, 11:59 AM
Hopefully Anon mobilizes in support of wikileaks, to the same degree they mobilize in opposition to Scientology.

hazek
12-07-2010, 12:13 PM
It'd be one thing if PayPal engaged in information warfare first, and these guys were retaliating as self-defense, but that's not the case. PayPal has every right to dissolve their contract with WikiLeaks, unfortunately.

But wouldn't you say that freezing accounts was the first strike in this war? I think we have to differentiate between denying services and outright attack. If Paypal said: "Ok here's your money, take it because we don't want to offer you our services anymore." I'd agree with you and I'd disagree with the DDoS attacks but since they froze the accounts which means Wikileaks can't get their money I see it as an attack and I fully support the retaliation.

Agorism
12-07-2010, 12:13 PM
The link doesn't work to read about it.

pcosmar
12-07-2010, 12:28 PM
The link doesn't work to read about it.

This link?
http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/tis-the-season-of-ddos-wikileaks-editio/

It just worked for me, but took a very long time to connect and load.


Update – 12/7/2010 – 9:44 AM

The target has switched over to http://aklagare.se, the Swedish prosecutors. The website was down instantaneously after the target was selected with over 500 computers in the voluntary botnet attacking the site all at once.

RideTheDirt
12-07-2010, 01:21 PM
http://twitter.com/Anon_Operation


Freedom of expression is priceless. For everything else, there's MasterCard. #wikileaks
Seems they plan to DDOS Mastercard

Sentient Void
12-07-2010, 01:31 PM
But wouldn't you say that freezing accounts was the first strike in this war? I think we have to differentiate between denying services and outright attack. If Paypal said: "Ok here's your money, take it because we don't want to offer you our services anymore." I'd agree with you and I'd disagree with the DDoS attacks but since they froze the accounts which means Wikileaks can't get their money I see it as an attack and I fully support the retaliation.

Did Paypal in fact freeze access to Assange's money? If so, then in that case - I concede it is legitimate retaliation - but this is the first I've heard that they've also frozen his funds, not just frozen the ability to donate to him through PayPal. Do you have a source for this?

lester1/2jr
12-07-2010, 01:32 PM
cry me a river

cswake
12-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Looks like they are attacking one of the Swedish government's websites.

http://www.aklagare.se/

hazek
12-07-2010, 01:40 PM
Did Paypal in fact freeze access to Assange's money? If so, then in that case - I concede it is legitimate retaliation - but this is the first I've heard that they've also frozen his funds, not just frozen the ability to donate to him through PayPal. Do you have a source for this?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/mastercard-shuts-donations-wikileaks-calling-site-illegal/

" .. Their move followed online payments bank PayPal, owned by California-based eBay, Inc., which froze the WikiLeaks donations account and over $61,000 along with it. .. "

pcosmar
12-07-2010, 01:43 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/mastercard-shuts-donations-wikileaks-calling-site-illegal/

" .. Their move followed online payments bank PayPal, owned by California-based eBay, Inc., which froze the WikiLeaks donations account and over $61,000 along with it. .. "

They do with a pen or mouse click What I was sentenced to 25 years for.

And I got much less money.
:(

JVParkour
12-07-2010, 01:47 PM
Wow, they thought terrorists were bad, now they have to face jobless hackers who hate the government and are fabulous at screwing with stuff... Good luck hunting down and stopping all of them. LOL

aravoth
12-07-2010, 01:53 PM
I don't think anonymous has a botnet. They organize a single DOS attack from their own computers and collectively attack the target host, which turns into a DDOS. A lot of them don't know much about computers, they tag along and download a piece of software, type in an IP address and join the fray. Anyone can do it.

didn't they develop a program called "Orbital Ion Cannon?" A simple stand alone designed for DDOS attacks?

I've heard it's not that great but still, the fact that it exists makes me grin.

Sentient Void
12-07-2010, 01:55 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/mastercard-shuts-donations-wikileaks-calling-site-illegal/

" .. Their move followed online payments bank PayPal, owned by California-based eBay, Inc., which froze the WikiLeaks donations account and over $61,000 along with it. .. "

I see.

On with the DDOS attacks, then! Completely justified.

Fuck the fascist pigs. +1776 to anon.

RideTheDirt
12-07-2010, 01:56 PM
didn't they develop a program called "Orbital Ion Cannon?" A simple stand alone designed for DDOS attacks?

I've heard it's not that great but still, the fact that it exists makes me grin.

yup
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/LOIC

LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Cannon) is an app, written in C# and developed by praetox that was exploited during Project Chanology to attack teh $cifags's many web sites. It attempts to DoS the target site by bandwidth raeping, sending TCP, UDP, or HTTP requests to the site until its ass looks like goatse. It is also in the Dangerous Kitten tools pack.

FunkBuddha
12-07-2010, 02:20 PM
yup
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/LOIC

Thanks for the link. Apparently LOIC is part of the Dangerous Kitten Tools.


Dangerous Kitten got its name from how it was originally spread - a rar embedded in a jpg with the picture of a kitten in a hand, and the subtitle "It's dangerous to go alone, take this". It is a set of trolling tools.
The phrase was originally used in the first appearance of Link in "The Legend of Zelda" on NES. http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c7/Dangerous_cat.jpg

Inflation
12-07-2010, 02:48 PM
DDoS attacks are not a libertarian means to an end.

Although I think it's unfortunate, it seems that WikiLeaks is in fact in breach of contract with PayPal, and PayPal has every right to shut down it's service to them.


That's only your POV.

Many libertarians believe in responding instantly to coercion such as Amazon/Paypay's fraud and theft.

Many libertarians believe in civil disobedience such as protesting at a business, or the cyberspace equivalent of protesting with DDOS packets instead of placards.

Many libertarians are not businesses-can-do-no-wrong lunatics like Lew and Ayn, and insist on holding their incorporated feet to the fire when the situation demands it.

PayPay, eBay, Visa, Amazon. They are THE ENEMY. We will DESTROY THEM.

Or they will continue to help the NWO destroy us....

pcosmar
12-07-2010, 02:54 PM
That's only your POV.

Many libertarians believe in responding instantly to coercion such as Amazon/Paypay's fraud and theft.

Many libertarians believe in civil disobedience such as protesting at a business, or the cyberspace equivalent of protesting with DDOS packets instead of placards.

Many libertarians are not businesses-can-do-no-wrong lunatics like Lew and Ayn, and insist on holding their incorporated feet to the fire when the situation demands it.

PayPay, eBay, Visa, Amazon. They are THE ENEMY. We will DESTROY THEM.

Or they will continue to help the NWO destroy us....
Very good points.

And personally I think it beats Molotov's and well placed head shots.
For the time being anyway.

RideTheDirt
12-07-2010, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the link. Apparently LOIC is part of the Dangerous Kitten Tools.
how to hide rar files in jpg images:

http://lifehacker.com/207905/hide-files-in-jpeg-images
(http://lifehacker.com/207905/hide-files-in-jpeg-images)

aravoth
12-07-2010, 03:33 PM
how to hide rar files in jpg images:

http://lifehacker.com/207905/hide-files-in-jpeg-images
(http://lifehacker.com/207905/hide-files-in-jpeg-images)

well, we're all learning something today arn't we?

Elwar
12-07-2010, 03:35 PM
how to hide rar files in jpg images:

http://lifehacker.com/207905/hide-files-in-jpeg-images
(http://lifehacker.com/207905/hide-files-in-jpeg-images)

That is quite cool...

crazyfacedjenkins
12-07-2010, 03:54 PM
DDoS attacks are not a libertarian means to an end.

Although I think it's unfortunate, it seems that WikiLeaks is in fact in breach of contract with PayPal, and PayPal has every right to shut down it's service to them.

However, i think WikiLeaks will find other ways to get funding from donors, perhaps from soemthing similar to PayPal out there. They'll find a way- the idea and desire for people to donate is too strong.

I don't think the attack on PayPal is justified, personally. Boycotting is another matter, though - and something that I support.


Can we revolt now??? Nah, that would be anti-business for the cattle car companies.
http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/stories/images/netherlands/history.jpg

How about now? Nein!! That would be anti-business for the bulldozer manufacturers.
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/45/67845-004-D8040AC2.jpg

------
Wait, what corporation made Zyklon B? Corporate America and big government are one in the same!

RideTheDirt
12-07-2010, 03:57 PM
That is quite cool...

yup!
a truecrypt file, in a rar file w/ password in a jpg - secure :cool:

Sentient Void
12-07-2010, 04:02 PM
Meh, it looks like you guys didn't read the entire dialectic between myself and hazek.

I conceded that the DDOS attacks are legitimate and libertarian after finding out new information I didn't know before.

One Last Battle!
12-07-2010, 04:05 PM
Pretty cool idea. Some of you might not support DDoSing, but this is more/less done with volunteers rather than zombies and against corrupt puppets of the US Gov. rather than innocent people.

crazyfacedjenkins
12-07-2010, 04:06 PM
Meh, it looks like you guys didn't read the entire dialectic between myself and hazek.

I conceded that the DDOS attacks are legitimate and libertarian after finding out new information I didn't know before.

That corporate America owns the politicians and not the other way around?

raiha
12-07-2010, 04:40 PM
They do with a pen or mouse click What I was sentenced to 25 years for.

And I got much less money.
:(

You are very honest telling us that. Sounds like an interesting story.

Agorism
12-07-2010, 05:29 PM
What's the legality of DDOS attacks?

Is it legal. Anyone ever been prosecuted. Anyway to enforce it.

One Last Battle!
12-07-2010, 06:24 PM
Anon is now, I kid you not, DDoSing the US Senate. Seriously.

It is actually working, too. The site has been flickering.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
12-07-2010, 06:30 PM
I love Big Brother.

hazek
12-07-2010, 06:36 PM
Anon is now, I kid you not, DDoSing the US Senate. Seriously.

It is actually working, too. The site has been flickering.

Can it actually have an effect tho?

cswake
12-07-2010, 06:38 PM
Anon is now, I kid you not, DDoSing the US Senate. Seriously.

It is actually working, too. The site has been flickering.Can't get through to senate.gov from here...

JVParkour
12-07-2010, 06:43 PM
Holy Cow. I got on the Senate site to check about 2 minutes ago, and it worked fine. I just tried again and it is down... wow, this is crazy.

One Last Battle, how did you know they were trying to DDoS the Senate?

Kludge
12-07-2010, 06:46 PM
Weren't a few House sites taken down in '08?

JVParkour
12-07-2010, 06:57 PM
I dunno, but they took down www.lieberman.senate.gov also. hah, check out these two twitters for their updates.

http://twitter.com/AnonyWatcher
http://twitter.com/Anon_Operation

Kludge
12-07-2010, 06:58 PM
I can still get to Lieberman's site.


.... over, and over, and over, and over................... :D

JVParkour
12-07-2010, 07:00 PM
Haha, I tried and it didn't work the first time, but then I got in, over, and over, and over!

idirtify
12-07-2010, 07:50 PM
I see.

On with the DDOS attacks, then! Completely justified.

Fuck the fascist pigs. +1776 to anon.

A couple points about that.

What if Paypal’s contract contained the clause informing that accounts can be frozen if terms are violated, and Wikileaks voluntarily signed it? Then the frozen money does not constitute an attack. Right?

But wait…

Probably what happened (if my past experience means anything) was that Paypal falsely claimed one of their terms was violated as an excuse to terminate/freeze. And if questioned about the termination, paypal would have pointed to the “illegal activity” clause. But if questioned any further about what actions were illegal and how, Paypal would simply ignore.

JVParkour
12-07-2010, 08:25 PM
Next target is supposedly Paypal...

Sentient Void
12-07-2010, 09:15 PM
I can get into all the government sites fine...

reagle
12-07-2010, 09:29 PM
From the dark side comes an ominous new botnet called Darkness that researchers say is quite impressive and is targeting a wide variety of websites. In the last month, Darkness has become a very active DDoS network being controlled by several domains hosted in Russia. Darkness operators are boasting that it can take down larges sites with only 1,000 bots and for as little as $50 a day.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17489/evil_new_ddos_botnet_lurking_in_the_darkness


According to Shadowserver Foundation analysis, the botnet "Destination Darkness Outlaw System"(D.D.O.S), aka "Darkness" is said to have superior performance to BlackEnergy and Illusion botnets.

BlackEnergy competitor – The 'Darkness' DDoS Bot.
http://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/pmwiki.php/Calendar/20101205

Sentient Void
12-07-2010, 09:30 PM
A couple points about that.

What if Paypal’s contract contained the clause informing that accounts can be frozen if terms are violated, and Wikileaks voluntarily signed it? Then the frozen money does not constitute an attack. Right?

But wait…

Probably what happened (if my past experience means anything) was that Paypal falsely claimed one of their terms was violated as an excuse to terminate/freeze. And if questioned about the termination, paypal would have pointed to the “illegal activity” clause. But if questioned any further about what actions were illegal and how, Paypal would simply ignore.

I highly doubt that freezing someone's account also means freezing access to their property and money, though. PayPal may own the rights to their service, but they don't own the rights to his money/assets in his account, and I doubt that any contract terms would state anything of the sort.

Can't say for sure though.

DAFTEK
12-07-2010, 10:16 PM
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