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tangent4ronpaul
11-30-2010, 04:28 PM
The domain seizures by the United States authorities in recent days and upcoming legislation that could make similar takeovers even easier in the future, have inspired a group of enthusiasts to come up with a new, decentralized and BitTorrent-powered DNS system. This system will exchange DNS information through peer-to-peer transfers and will work with a new .p2p domain extension.

In a direct response to the domain seizures by US authorities during the last few days, a group of established enthusiasts have started working on a DNS system that can’t be touched by any governmental institution.

Ironically, considering the seizure of the Torrent-Finder meta-search engine domain, the new DNS system will be partly powered by BitTorrent.

In recent months, global anti-piracy efforts have increasingly focused on seizing domains of allegedly infringing sites. In the United States the proposed COICA bill is explicitly aimed at increasing the government’s censorship powers, but seizing a domain name is already quite easy, as illustrated by ICE and Department of Justice actions last weekend and earlier this year.

For governments it is apparently quite easy to take over the DNS entries of domains, not least because several top level domains are managed by US-based corporations such as VeriSign, who work closely together with the US Department of Commerce. According to some, this setup is a threat to the open internet.

To limit the power governments have over domain names, a group of enthusiasts has started working on a revolutionary system that can not be influenced by a government institution, or taken down by pulling the plug on a central server. Instead, it is distributed by the people, with help from a BitTorrent-based application that people install on their computer.

According to the project’s website, the goal is to “create an application that runs as a service and hooks into the hosts DNS system to catch all requests to the .p2p TLD while passing all other request cleanly through. Requests for the .p2p TLD will be redirected to a locally hosted DNS database.”

“By creating a .p2p TLD that is totally decentralized and that does not rely on ICANN or any ISP’s DNS service, and by having this application mimic force-encrypted BitTorrent traffic, there will be a way to start combating DNS level based censoring like the new US proposals as well as those systems in use in countries around the world including China and Iran amongst others.”

The Dot-P2P project was literally started a few days ago, but already the developers are making great progress. It is expected that a beta version of the client can be released relatively shortly, a team member assured TorrentFreak.

The project has been embraced by many familiar names in the P2P-community. Former Pirate Bay spokesman Peter Sunde is among them, and the people from EZTV have been promoting it as well.

“For me it’s mostly to scare back. To show that if they try anything, we have weapons of making it harder for them to abuse it. If they then back down, we win,” Peter Sunde told TorrentFreak in a comment.

Although the initiators of the project are still debating on various technical issues on how the system should function, it seems that the administrative part has been thought out. The .p2p domain registration will be handled by OpenNIC (requires OpenNic DNS), an alternative community based DNS network. OpenNIC also maintains the .geek, .free, .null and several other top level domains.

On the other hand, there are also voices that are for distributed domain registration, which would keep the system entirely decentralized.

The domain registrations will be totally free, but registrants will have to show that they own a similar domain with a different extension first, to prevent scammers from taking over a brand.

The new P2P-based DNS system will require users to run an application on their own computer before they can access the domains, but there are also plans to create a separate root-server (like OpenNIC) as a complimentary service. It’s worth noting that the DNS changes will only affect the new .p2p domains, it will not interfere with access to any other domains.

It will be interesting to see in what direction this project goes and how widely it will be adopted. There are already talks of getting Internet Service Providers to accept the .p2p extension as well, but even if this doesn’t happen the system can always be accessed through the BitTorrent-powered application and supporting DNS servers.

If anything, this shows that no matter what legislation or legal actions are taken, technology stays always one step ahead. The more aggressive law enforcement gets, the more creative and motivated adopters of the Open Internet will respond.

Pericles
11-30-2010, 05:03 PM
Could use the same infrastructure as now for DNS, with a different group of root DNS servers based out of the US, distributed worldwide.

Just load the different named.root file and off you go.

Bern
11-30-2010, 05:06 PM
Pretty cool idea.

newbitech
11-30-2010, 05:47 PM
like any other mass communications type project, what will be important is the flow of information on these systems. The major bottle necks will once again be the ignorance of the users and the willingness of paying customers to allow their master providers to tell them how to use the product.

I have long dreamed of a locked down cyber community where only the elite hackers and programmers held the keys to travel around freely. Seems that comic book story is becoming more and more real every day.

dannno
11-30-2010, 05:53 PM
Hahahahahha.. the government is so stupid about the Internets.

torchbearer
11-30-2010, 06:01 PM
like any other mass communications type project, what will be important is the flow of information on these systems. The major bottle necks will once again be the ignorance of the users and the willingness of paying customers to allow their master providers to tell them how to use the product.

I have long dreamed of a locked down cyber community where only the elite hackers and programmers held the keys to travel around freely. Seems that comic book story is becoming more and more real every day.

have some friends workings on an alternet.

newbitech
11-30-2010, 06:24 PM
have some friends workings on an alternet.

i am wondering if going back to analog over the low band frequencies is viable for info sharing. Something like an encrypted CB channel that sends data pulses over a ham radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio

old school ham operators actually started using packet radio in the 70's and adopted the TCP/IP protocol in the 80's.

sounds like a cool way to develop and alternet undetected.

GunnyFreedom
11-30-2010, 06:28 PM
Seriously, you want to bulletproof it? rig DNS onto NNTP. NNTP was designed to survive...ANYTHING. NNTP was the 'original' internet that everyone correctly claims was designed to survive nuclear bombing, EMP, and outages in more than half the States.

Carry DNS over NNPT and you will really stop the man from unloading DNS registers. Plus make it too easy to websearch not to find a comprehensive DNS list if you have to run your own if you are actually looking.

tangent4ronpaul
11-30-2010, 06:29 PM
If you use spread spectrum and frequency hopping - otherwise, you're most likely to get tracked down and get to spend a long vacation at gvmt expense.

-t

tangent4ronpaul
11-30-2010, 06:31 PM
Seriously, you want to bulletproof it? rig DNS onto NNTP. NNTP was designed to survive...ANYTHING. NNTP was the 'original' internet that everyone correctly claims was designed to survive nuclear bombing, EMP, and outages in more than half the States.

Carry DNS over NNPT and you will really stop the man from unloading DNS registers. Plus make it too easy to websearch not to find a comprehensive DNS list if you have to run your own if you are actually looking.

Network News Transport Protocol runs on top of TCP/IP and it's the latter that's gotten crippled, or am I missing your point here?

-t

GunnyFreedom
11-30-2010, 06:35 PM
i am wondering if going back to analog over the low band frequencies is viable for info sharing. Something like an encrypted CB channel that sends data pulses over a ham radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio)

old school ham operators actually started using packet radio in the 70's and adopted the TCP/IP protocol in the 80's.

sounds like a cool way to develop and alternet undetected.

DUDE! that's a project I have had on the backburner for YEARS. They already have internet over HAM, but I wanted to set up a HAM-type community over a quarter of a County and network everybody into a unified interface cluster supercomputer. Drop NetBSD on that interface and clone desktops to the users. They will then have two computers - one Windows/Posix/Whatever machine running their personal OS, sharing cycles upwards but not userdata. Then the user also has a 'virtual desktop' with hosted apps.

These 30-ish member nodes on HAMBAND internet can then internetwork each other peering, and extend non HAM ppl access through local switching. Work organic peering to the backbone and once you have 50 nodes or so, then reliable connection to the Internet is almost invincible.

GunnyFreedom
11-30-2010, 06:39 PM
Network News Transport Protocol runs on top of TCP/IP and it's the latter that's gotten crippled, or am I missing your point here?

-t

Hmmm. I'm probably thinking of the UUCP standard that became NNTP when it was migrated to TCP. UUCP was a bit more ptp but it makes a reliable and bulletproof model for carrying a reference file you don't want banned.

Ethek
11-30-2010, 06:49 PM
I love it.

Kludge
11-30-2010, 06:54 PM
A number of "alternate internets" already exist, with the mentioned OpenNIC being one of the largest (that is, there is about a handful of operational sites).

They are simply unused even though the DNS servers generally either don't keep logs or purge them daily and there is no ICANN fee for registering/maintaining domains.

Setting up your network adapter to send requests to these alternate DNS servers is very easy, so my only guess as to why this hasn't taken off is because most people don't care about the government controlling their Internet. Maybe there is a place for this service in a very bleak future, but I'm not convinced this project will go anywhere.

newbitech
11-30-2010, 07:07 PM
If you use spread spectrum and frequency hopping - otherwise, you're most likely to get tracked down and get to spend a long vacation at gvmt expense.

-t

so in my cursory search, yeah I think spread spectrum would be encryption on the physical layer.

why not use wpa2 in your transceiver? The only difference is the wattage, amiright?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_multimedia_radio

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/HInternet#Network_Architecture

FunkBuddha
11-30-2010, 08:41 PM
A while back I tried to setup an SSH-able BBS as a hidden service on the Tor network complete with mail/file tossers. I had horrible latency problems and it was pretty much unusable. My dream was to have lots of these sites connected together with backend IRC channels and a custom bittorrent tracker/client door for transferring files from other BBSes to the user's home BBS. I didn't try it with the i2p network but I suspect I would run into the same problems there as well.

tangent4ronpaul
11-30-2010, 09:12 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_spectrum

-t

torchbearer
11-30-2010, 10:06 PM
IP replaced by the RP network. the free internet project.
make it so. i will volunteer a node spot.