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Agorism
11-29-2010, 07:53 PM
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http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/29/pence-gold-standard

Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), a top House Republican and possible 2012 presidential contender, gave a speech at the Detroit Economic Club this afternoon outlining his “prescription for a fresh start for the American economy.” The Detroit Economic Club is a “popular venue for candidates testing the presidential campaign waters,” and Pence is “working hard to cultivate support among the fiscal conservatives that are driving the tea party.”

The first item of Pence’s five-point plan for the economy is a “sound monetary policy.” Pence elaborated that he believes a return to the gold standard could create such a policy:


PENCE: Before I move on, I’d like to note, in the midst of all that’s happened recently — massive borrowing and spending, QE2 — a debate has started anew over an anchor to our global monetary system. My dear friend, the late Jack Kemp, probably would have urged me to adopt the gold standard, right here and now in Detroit. Robert Zoellick, the president of the World Bank, encouraged that we rethink the international currency system including the role of gold, and I agree. I think the time has come to have a debate over gold, and the proper role it should play in our nations monetary affairs. A pro-growth agenda begins with sound monetary policy.

Currently, the global financial system does not assign any value to gold, and the U.S. Federal Reserve is not required to tie the value of the dollar to anything. A return to the gold standard, which would tie the value of the U.S. dollar to the value of gold, is a fringe economic position that could lead to a drastic reduction in prices. “Very few economists think this would be a good idea,” Paul Krugman has noted. It would prohibit the government from adjusting interest rates, which it often does based on the health of the economy — instead everything would be tied to the value of gold.

The U.S. abandoned this policy in 1971, and as Krugman notes: “Since then the price of gold has increased roughly tenfold, while consumer prices have increased about 250 percent. If we had tried to keep the price of gold from rising, this would have required a massive decline in the prices of practically everything else — deflation on a scale not seen since the Depression. This doesn’t sound like a particularly good idea.”

Moreover, as Matthew Yglesias has observed, the idea of the enforcing a gold standard doesn’t exactly fit into the Tea Party’s free-market ethos. As none other than Milton Friedman wrote: “I think those people who say they believe in a gold standard are fundamentally being very anti-libertarian because what they mean by a gold standard is a governmentally fixed price for gold.”

Returning to the gold standard wasn’t the only far-right economic proposal Pence offered in his speech. The Huffington Post’s Amanda Terkel details Pence’s call for the elimination of the U.S. tax code in favor of a “flat tax.”

UPDATE CAP economist Adam Hersh explains further why the gold standard would be extremely unwise: "Gold makes for a maddeningly inconvenient means of exchange. Try making change for a bar of gold. Gold as money would severely raise the costs of transacting for goods and services, and that is bad for the economy. Paper money tied to gold side-steps this problem to an extent, however the volatility of gold prices makes unpredictable just how much gold-backed paper currency one would need to carry around to conduct daily transactions. Consider U.S. international trade accounts. In 2009 we had a trade deficit of $375 billion. If gold were our money (or our foundation for paper money), we would have to ship about 8500 tons of gold overseas."

Koz
11-29-2010, 08:17 PM
I thought Pence is a neocon, is that not correct? Like the gold standard anyway.

Brett85
11-29-2010, 08:21 PM
I thought Pence is a neocon, is that not correct? Like the gold standard anyway.

Everybody is a neocon compared to Ron.

Jordan
11-29-2010, 08:21 PM
My worst nightmare is coming true. All of the 2012 candidates are going to be well versed on Ron Paul's 2008 talking points. Ron Paul, being too cheap to hire a speaking coach and getting older by the day, isn't going to be the smoothest talker when it comes to his centerpiece issues like the FED, dollar, creating jobs, and rebuilding the economy. Instead, losers like Romney, Palin, and apparently, Pence, are going to fight for the "economy" vote.

:(

Sola_Fide
11-29-2010, 08:23 PM
Pence is co-opting Ron.

Kotin
11-29-2010, 08:25 PM
Shit..

TCE
11-29-2010, 08:25 PM
Is anyone missing the part about the World Bank's goal being promoted? He supports it in the context of the World Bank. NWO anyone? I'm not even a conspiracy theorist and I think it's suspicious.

Thomas
11-29-2010, 08:46 PM
Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

phesoge
11-29-2010, 09:57 PM
FUCK Mike "YOU CANT GAMBLE ONLINE CAUSE I THINK ITS IMMORAL" PENCE. He is awful. Can't stand him.

HOLLYWOOD
11-29-2010, 10:10 PM
This statement backed by the other Flim-Flammers (John Boehner) is now the latest example of a populist.

These cowards wouldn't dare stick their necks out over the past 10-15 years while collecting a paycheck in CONGRESS, and intentionally with racketeers, kept Ron Paul from chairing committees to push sound money policies forward.

Mike Pence from Indiana is a prefect example of a: Chickenhawk Neocon Populist POS! What a Fuckin Whore


I thought Pence is a neocon, is that not correct? Like the gold standard anyway.

Yeah, checkout the BeAtche's response just a couple of weeks ago...when put on the spot.
YouTube - 11 07 10, Mike Pence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6uvvE3x0l8)

TC95
11-29-2010, 10:10 PM
Pence is co-opting Ron.

Looks like it.

moonshineplease
11-29-2010, 10:27 PM
Pence is my congressman. He is on all the right committees to demonstrate his willingness to carry out the agendas of the Israeli firsters. On a lighter note he was one of the first cosponsors to come out swinging for H.R.1207 and generally tends to vote like a mark of the barrel anti - big government republican. Nothing to get excited over.

He would come speak at the high schools every year when I was there in 2004/5, and really seemed interested in reaching the young people...Though it would be my guess many congressmen make visits like this.

forsmant
11-29-2010, 10:30 PM
The fact that gold standard is being mentioned in positive light shows how far we have come since 2008.

Sola_Fide
11-29-2010, 11:09 PM
I've said for a while now that all a Republican has to do to win the nomination in 2012 is to pick up a Tea Party/Revolution/Ron Paul theme and run with it.

The first mainstream Republican to pick up on,

1) a true balanced budget
2) end the fed
3) end the internal revenue service
4) end the wars etc,

might effectively co-opt Ron.

TCE
11-29-2010, 11:58 PM
I've said for a while now that all a Republican has to do to win the nomination in 2012 is to pick up a Tea Party/Revolution/Ron Paul theme and run with it.

The first mainstream Republican to pick up on,

1) a true balanced budget
2) end the fed
3) end the internal revenue service
4) end the wars etc,

might effectively co-opt Ron.

No Republican will be mentioning number 4 for quite a while. They say that and they lose, they know that.

LudwigVonMisoSoup
11-30-2010, 12:10 AM
Gold standard? Pass. I'm open to competing currencies, however. I don't know about you guys, but I can't afford gold. I can afford silver and have a bit stashed away.

LisaNY
11-30-2010, 12:48 AM
Ron is just as curious as we are. He talks about the new fed critics beginning 2:43:

YouTube - QE2: The Fed's Last Stand? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHHQe5rqZPg&feature=player_embedded)

RedBloodConservative
11-30-2010, 04:05 AM
I hate to say it......but.......






I personally like Mike Pence

LibertyMage
12-08-2010, 12:58 AM
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SoundM

Pence wants to end the dual mandate of the fed and replace it with...wait for it...the single mandate of the Federal Reserve managing prices. If this co-opting of the Pence/Ryan/Boehner click succeeds, "End the Fed" is going to turn into "End the Dual Mandate". In the end, this will accomplish nothing but killing all our efforts.

Knightskye
12-08-2010, 01:03 AM
Everybody is a neocon compared to Ron.

You don't have to compare him to Ron Paul to say he's a neocon. Look at the definition of neoconservatism.


Ron is just as curious as we are. He talks about the new fed critics beginning 2:43:

YouTube - QE2: The Fed's Last Stand? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHHQe5rqZPg&feature=player_embedded)

I love how he says "dubya."

Uriel999
12-08-2010, 01:08 AM
guys, now while I cannot say he means it or not...but if he actually does...WHO CARES if he is simply puppeting Congressman Paul? Now if he is just trying to get votes ready the pitchforks!

YumYum
12-08-2010, 01:08 AM
Does anybody see where this guy has stuck his foot in his mouth, or am I the only one?

JoshLowry
12-08-2010, 01:14 AM
You don't have to compare him to Ron Paul to say he's a neocon. Look at the definition of neoconservatism.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/icons/icon14.gif