IF wikileaks is an "inside job" is this the reason??

[Kotin]

I have been trying to wrap my head around this idea that wikileaks could be some type of fraud..


well the only thing that really made enough sense to me was that they would use it as an excuse to regulate the internet.. I havent heard that idea yet maybe others have thought the same..

but this wouldn't be a bad way to do that..



has anyone heard this from anyone else?? anyone else thinking the same thing?


thoughts?

[MRoCkEd]

They will probably use that as an excuse even if it isn't an inside job...

[johnny.rebel]

Probably so.

[moostraks]

They will probably use that as an excuse even if it isn't an inside job...

My thoughts as well. I don't think the outcome in the event they use this for this purpose would really decide for me whether or not it is legit. Jury's still out for me...

[amy31416]

They will probably use that as an excuse even if it isn't an inside job...

Yep.

[pcosmar]

So you are saying the only way to save the internet is to not harm the government?
Don't publish things they don't like? Don't rock the boat?

As long as you are no threat to their control they will let you have your social sites and porn.

:(

[Kotin]

They will probably use that as an excuse even if it isn't an inside job...

I was thinking the same thing..

[awake]

Wikileaks is releasing all week... The UN's last stab at legitimacy is happening all this week as well... Wiki Leaks 'might' be a distraction to the Cancun climate regime fail after the huge boot in the face in Copenhagen.

[amy31416]

If Assange actually does expose a major bank in a truly damaging way, I say he isn't a fraud, but I really don't think he is either.

[Kotin]

If Assange actually does expose a major bank in a truly damaging way, I say he isn't a fraud, but I really don't think he is either.

Yeah I am far from convinced.. Rather I am just open to the prospect..


I really hope he does release some damning stuff that makes it clear where his loyalties are..

[axiomata]

I don't get the Wikilieaks is a inside job meme. They are releasing what they are getting. They aren't making any claims to the truth of the classified info, just that it is authentic. We should still be skeptic of the claims that the U.S. intelligence is making in the released documents since we all know they don't bat a thousand.

[dannno]

I don't get the Wikilieaks is a inside job meme.

Alright, let's see if I can help out.

What do you believe wiki leaks is doing?



They are releasing what they are getting.

Are they now? Are you aware of the source of who is providing said information? Can you guarantee that this information is complete and has not been tampered with?



They aren't making any claims to the truth of the classified info, just that it is authentic.

Is it authentically complete? How do we know?

[paulitics]

I think it is highly unlikely, if not impossible that the information hasn't been corrupted in some way, simply because wikileaks has been around forever, and would be a rather par for the course thing for the CIA to do.

[pcosmar]

Is it authentically complete? How do we know?

Has anyone challenged the authenticity of this leak?

YouTube - WikiLeaks raw US Apache footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25EWUUBjPMo)

For that matter has the MSM reported on it honestly, or have they put spin on what little they did report?

[low preference guy]

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[Depressed Liberator]

Wikileaks has been leaking stuff for a good amount of time. They're an outlet for what people get to expose. The whole inside job crap is total bullshit.

[cindy25]

Obama doesn't seem to need excuses; he just issues executive orders.

and Obama hates embarrassment.

[oyarde]

Has anyone challenged the authenticity of this leak?

YouTube - WikiLeaks raw US Apache footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25EWUUBjPMo)

For that matter has the MSM reported on it honestly, or have they put spin on what little they did report?

That one looked authentic to me ..

[dannno]

Wikileaks has been leaking stuff for a good amount of time. They're an outlet for what people get to expose. The whole inside job crap is total bullshit.

I wasn't aware that "people" were just able to expose that kind of stuff.

[UtahApocalypse]

i don't for one second buy the wikileaks is a "inside job" meme. I do however feels that they could receive false information and pass it along.....

[pcosmar]

I wasn't aware that "people" were just able to expose that kind of stuff.

They get information from whistle blowers. They post that information.
They have posted much. and not just the us or Iraq War related.

http://mirror.wikileaks.info/

See for yourself.
;)

[vita3]

I've been reading the State Dept leaks directly & there pretty interesting & make the US look bad.

[Dripping Rain]

great point Kotin although I dont know about wiki being an IJ
but I have my doubts about the information and his source
like I said it feeds directly into the PNAC meme on the "axis of evil"

[revolutionary8]

yes, other people have speculated that this could be the outcome and provided examples:
www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=3004077&postcount=21


I am not sure that it is even relevant if it was an "inside job". I think that might even be the wrong question to ask all together. You know what they say, "Never let a good crisis go to waste.", so, iow, if it weren't for this it would be that as an excuse to take down the all the internet hubs in order to go to Internet 2.

What will matter is how the intel community will react to all of this, and how the MSM cherry picks the info. in order to push whatever it is they want to push on people. they will see what they want to see. I don't see how wiki can be held responsible in any way for that. i don't doubt that informants work w/in wiki leaks (people who have been compromised) but i don't doubt either that there are good people working for and with wikileaks.
if anything it will give us a chance to learn about intelligence and counter-intelligence.

[Jordan]

If the government wanted to shut down the internet, invade another country, print $10 trillion, or assassinate someone, or anything else you can think of, they wouldn't need reason to do it.

Even to this day, most people do not second guess their government on the big stuff. Nope, we only question the trivial stuff like earmarks. I'm almost surprised people aren't rioting in the streets about government clearly not yet adopting a "paperless office."

[revolutionary8]

If the government wanted to shut down the internet, invade another country, print $10 trillion, or assassinate someone, or anything else you can think of, they wouldn't need reason to do it.

Even to this day, most people do not second guess their government on the big stuff. Nope, we only question the trivial stuff like earmarks. I'm almost surprised people aren't rioting in the streets about government clearly not yet adopting a "paperless office."

I'm not really sure I can argue that other than, don't be so doom and gloom, they seem to have decided that slow is the answer. This means we still have a little time. :D
They use 9/11 as an excuse for everything, Osama BinDead, for everything else, they have used patsies for 1000s of years, so I am not so sure they don't need some sort of an excuse, otherwise the people might get too ancy, and stop paying and voting to raise their taxes, and go along with the banking scams. Politicians love these opportunities as well so they can spout the kind of crap that King man is spouting. Then he will be the "hero" to his district when he passes those stricter laws that will help protect "the children". He then uses this to gain campaign financing, and individual donations from his district. Lobbyists come to love him. iow- It comes A LOT easier for them if they convince the people that they need to pay for these things...
It keeps the politicians occupied as puppets, keeps their pockets lined, and keeps them as lap dogs for the people who print money out of thin air. Of course there are more layers- the media, for one, but it does take A LOT of $$$, and it is better if they have the funding of the American People.

Of course this is not to say that Wiki people are releasing this intel as a case for war, I am saying that regardless, many people who seek the opportunity to make power plays, will do so. Perhaps they really DO think that a "free internet" is an open door to "terrorism". This is how it works, and this is how so many people UNKOWINGLY become part of "the conspiracy".

[Romulus]

With the latest revelation on some bombshell banks leak, it looks like Wiki could be legit...

[BlackTerrel]

With the latest revelation on some bombshell banks leak, it looks like Wiki could be legit...

Is the criteria for whether or not they are an "inside job" dependent on if we like what they release?

That;s the general sense I get from reading the posts on this topic.

Information that confirms what we say = legit

Information that goes against our world view = false flag/CIA

Cherry picking info just like the leftists and the neocons.

To be fair it is a lot to look into. I've been wanting to delve into it myself but don't have the intellectual bandwidth or the time to look into such a deep data set.

[revolutionary8]

With the latest revelation on some bombshell banks leak, it looks like Wiki could be legit...

Yes, unless this "bombshell" is written by someone like Matt Taibbi or David Frum, and we don't know who wrote it. ;)

[revolutionary8]

Is the criteria for whether or not they are an "inside job" dependent on if we like what they release?

That;s the general sense I get from reading the posts on this topic.

Information that confirms what we say = legit

Information that goes against our world view = false flag/CIA

Cherry picking info just like the leftists and the neocons.

To be fair it is a lot to look into. I've been wanting to delve into it myself but don't have the intellectual bandwidth or the time to look into such a deep data set.

BT,
1)Settle down.
2)start over.
3)Come back later.

one more.

4)Pick your battles wisely.

(I say this to myself all the time)