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FrankRep
11-29-2010, 10:17 AM
The Internet-based watchdog site WikiLeaks has started releasing than 250,000 U.S. diplomatic cables in batches beginning November 28, earning the condemnation of the Obama administration and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. by Thomas R. Eddlem


WikiLeaks Releases U.S. Diplomatic Cables (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/5314-wikileaks-releases-us-diplomatic-cables)


Thomas R. Eddlem | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
29 November 2010


The Internet-based watchdog site WikiLeaks (http://www.wikileaks.org/) began releasing more than 250,000 U.S. diplomatic cables in batches (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/29/wikileaks.intelligence/?hpt=T1) beginning November 28, earning the condemnation of the Obama administration and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The documents, which include frank assessments of foreign political officials, have already embarrassed U.S. diplomats to a variety of countries.

As with its previous releases on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, WikiLeaks provided an advance peek at the documents to certain media establishment organs, specifically the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?_r=2&hp), the London Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis), Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731580,00.html) of Germany, Le Monde (http://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2010/11/28/wikileaks-dans-les-coulisses-de-la-diplomatie-americaine_1446078_3210.html) of Paris and El Pais (http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/mayor/filtracion/historia/deja/descubierto/secretos/politica/exterior/EE/UU/elpepuint/20101128elpepuint_25/Tes) of Madrid.

The New York Times reported (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html) that the documents covered much of the Bush administration and the first part of the Obama administration. “Some of the cables,” the Times continued (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html), “were written as recently as late February, revealing the Obama administration’s exchanges over crises and conflicts.” According to Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731580,00.html), “Six percent of the reports, or 16,652 cables, are labeled as 'secret' and of those, 4,330 are so explosive that they are labeled 'NOFORN,' meaning access should not be made available to non-US nationals.”

The WikiLeaks revelations (http://www.wikileaks.org/) included a variety of embarrassing evaluations of foreign countries by U.S. diplomats, such as:

• Egypt: Der Spiegel reported (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731580,00.html) that “Egyptian President Hosni Mubarek … claims to have always known that the Iraq war was the 'biggest mistake ever committed' and … advised the Americans to 'forget about democracy in Iraq.' Once the US forces depart, Mubarak said, the best way to ensure a peaceful transition is for there to be a military coup.”

• Russia: Russia is a “virtual Mafia state,” according to one diplomatic cable (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis).

• Italy: Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi is tied (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis) to Russia's Mafia state by “lavish gifts” from Vladimir Putin, as well as through alleged business ties.

• Afganistan: Afghan President Hamid Karzai is described (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis) as being "driven by paranoia." Vice President Zia Massoud took $52 million in cash with him in a trip to the United Arab Emirates.

• Germany: German Chancellor Angela Merkel was derisively described (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis) by U.S. diplomats as a politician who "avoids risk and is rarely creative.”

• Saudi Arabia: King Abdullah urged (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333966/WikiLeaks-Arab-leaders-urged-US-attack-Iran.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) the United States to invade Iran to stop its nuclear program.

The WikiLeaks documents also embarrassed U.S. diplomatic efforts directly. U.S. diplomats were urged (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/29/wikileaks.intelligence/?hpt=T1) to gather intelligence, according to CNN, becoming essentially spies in foreign nations. This revelation will hurt U.S. diplomats in the future. In addition, U.S. State Department officials under the Obama administration bluntly told (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333937/WikiLeaks-US-plays-foreign-governments-Guantanamo-prisoners.html) smaller foreign countries such as Slovenia that the price of meeting with the U.S. President was to accept a Guantanamo prisoner, in furtherance of Obama's campaign promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison within a year of taking office. Yet more than 170 prisoners remain at Guantanamo, a year after the lapse of his self-imposed deadline.

The White House Press Office quickly condemned (http://documents.nytimes.com/letters-between-wikileaks-and-gov#document/p5) WikiLeaks' latest release:



President Obama supports responsible, accountable, and open government at home and around the world, but this reckless and dangerous action runs counter to that goal. By releasing stolen and classified documents, Wikileaks has put at risk not only the cause of human rights but also the lives and work of these individuals. We condemn in the strongest terms the unauthorized disclosure of classified documents and sensitive national security information.


WikiLeaks spokesman Julian Assange countered (http://documents.nytimes.com/letters-between-wikileaks-and-gov#text/p4) that “WikiLeaks has absolutely no desire to put individual persons at significant risk of harm, nor do we wish to harm the national security of the United States.” Assange added in a letter to U.S. Ambassador Louis B. Susman that he had been willing to work with the U.S. State Department to eliminate documents that would have truly engangered lives or peace, but that the State Department had chosen confrontation instead (http://documents.nytimes.com/letters-between-wikileaks-and-gov#text/p4):



Instead of eliminating the risk you allege to lives and military operations you have rejected our offer for constructive dialogue and chosen a confrontational approach. The response provided by the US State Department overnight was no more than a lawyer's press release, which is confirmed by the fact you have released it to the press (a matter about which I make no complaint).... You have chosen to respond in a manner which leads me to conclude that the supposed risks are entirely fanciful and you are instead concerned to suppress evidence of human rights abuse and other criminal behaviour.


The WikiLeaks revelations will definitely embarrass U.S. diplomats, but it remains an open question subject to interpretation as to whether the revelations will do more good than harm. The leaks do reveal much about the diplomatic negotiations and diplomatic goals of the United States, which involves itself in great detail in other nations' internal affairs — precisely what George Washington warned against in his Farewell Address (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp):



Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice? It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.


By exposing the State Department's inversion of Washington's sage advice on entangling alliances, WikiLeaks is embarrassing the U.S. government but may also be doing a great service to the American people.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/5314-wikileaks-releases-us-diplomatic-cables

Pericles
11-29-2010, 10:28 AM
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• Saudi Arabia: King Abdullah [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333966/WikiLeaks-Arab-leaders-urged-US-attack-Iran.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]urged (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/5314-wikileaks-releases-us-diplomatic-cables) the United States to invade Iran to stop its nuclear program.



And all this time it has been pinned on "them Jooz".

Madly_Sane
11-29-2010, 10:41 AM
'them Jooz' are always the ones to blame :p

angelatc
11-29-2010, 10:48 AM
And all this time it has been pinned on "them Jooz".

It's not like there aren't already at least two other threads on this, but the Saudis have always hated the Iranians. It's back to that whole Sunni / Shia thing again. , They're just pushing our buttons here, and it is a shame to see how many people bought into it straight away.

Notice that the author didn't mention that the Saudis are also still the biggest financier of Al Qaeda, or that the Saudis absolutely hate the people we've installed in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. Gee - I wonder why that is?

The Saudis are certainly free to bomb Iran, but they don't want to get their hands dirty. Heck maybe they could develop a relationship with Israel since they share at least one thing - a hatred of Iran. But instead they both want us to be their muscle? Bullshit.

Freedom 4 all
11-29-2010, 11:13 AM
Pretty cool stuff. I really wonder what's in the ultrasecret insurance file. The fact that the founder of wikileaks is still alive and hasn't had a tragic accident yet means that it must be something awesomely damning.

reduen
11-29-2010, 12:09 PM
They are currently coming out hard against wikileaks on FOX... Up next, Hillary Clinton on the wikileaks ordeal.... They just had somone on calling wikileaks a terrorist organization.

reduen
11-29-2010, 12:21 PM
Mr. Assange is now in big trouble and basically if you applaude his efforts, you are a terrorist also.....

Madly_Sane
11-29-2010, 12:39 PM
Mr. Assange is now in big trouble and basically if you applaude his efforts, you are a terrorist also.....
Everyone's a terrorist... :rolleyes:

therepublic
11-29-2010, 12:42 PM
They are currently coming out hard against wikileaks on FOX... Up next, Hillary Clinton on the wikileaks ordeal.... They just had somone on calling wikileaks a terrorist organization.

Good report Frank Rep. The administration knew that more would be coming out, and did nothing to negotiate with wikileaks. My fear is that this will be used as an excuse to control the internet instead of improving pentagon procedures concerning secret documents.

eqcitizen
11-29-2010, 12:46 PM
He should be up there with Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine and the like for his bravery! God Bless Julian Assange

angelatc
11-29-2010, 12:48 PM
My fear is that this will be used as an excuse to control the internet instead of improving pentagon procedures concerning secret documents.

I think that's a valid concern, and if they classify Wikileaks as a terrorist organization, it will be illegal to send them money.

The spin on this makes me nauseous. I have no problem with them expressing their opinions of other people, although it is painfully stupid to do that in writing. The real issues here involve what our government is doing, not what the government is saying. Collecting DNA? Getting other nations to claim responsibility for our bombs? Bartering with people's lives?

specsaregood
11-29-2010, 12:48 PM
• Saudi Arabia: King Abdullah urged the United States to invade Iran to stop its nuclear program.

And all this time it has been pinned on "them Jooz".

I give it 24hours max before somebody comes in here and claims the saudi royal family are secretly jewish.

angelatc
11-29-2010, 12:50 PM
I give it 24hours max before somebody comes in here and claims the saudi royal family are secretly jewish.

I thought you were joking and then I Googled it.

Dr.3D
11-29-2010, 12:56 PM
Everyone's a terrorist... :rolleyes:

Well, if the government says you are, then you are. Of course the government is the one claiming to know the definition of terrorist. :(

reduen
11-29-2010, 12:56 PM
Being from Arkansas, I believe that i have a pretty good handle on what happens to people when they cross Hillary Clinton and I would say that Mr. Assange is soon to be history folks.....

Madly_Sane
11-29-2010, 01:02 PM
Being from Arkansas, I believe that i have a pretty good handle on what happens to people when they cross Hillary Clinton and I would say that Mr. Assange is soon to be history folks.....
:D Funniest thing I've heard all day. +1

pcosmar
11-29-2010, 01:12 PM
Being from Arkansas, I believe that i have a pretty good handle on what happens to people when they cross Hillary Clinton and I would say that Mr. Assange is soon to be history folks.....

Perhaps. I am sure they are trying.

I lived with nationwide warrants for my arrest (assume Armed and Dangerous), until I turned myself in. Traveled cross country twice and lived and worked.
Mr. Assange has resources, talents and a sharp mind.
I wish him the best of luck.
;)

PatriotOne
11-29-2010, 01:14 PM
The complete idiot's guide to wikileaks latest document dump

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=270674

FrankRep
11-29-2010, 01:19 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/


USA RACES TO LIMIT WIKILEAKS DAMAGE...
250,000 State Dept. cables cover Iran, NKorea, Putin... MORE
Reveal: Iran 'smuggled arms' to Hezbollah on ambulances...
Reveal: Hillary Clinton ordered diplomats to spy on UN leaders...
Reveal: Iran obtained missiles from NKorea...
What America REALLY thinks of world leaders...
MOST EMBARRASSING, DAMAGING DISCLOSURE IN DECADES...
Clinton calls leaked documents attack on world...
Reveal: China conducting computer sabotage...
Saudis are chief financiers for al Qaeda...
Reveal: Saudis repeatedly urge US attack on Iran...
SENATORS: PROSECUTE THE LEAKERS!
NYT EXPLAINS: DECISION TO PUBLISH...
Now Australian police investigate Assange...
France: Leaks threaten democracy...
Rep King: Website leaks are terrorism...
Holder orders criminal investigation...

LEAKED: Gates Says 'Russian democracy has disappeared'...

Freedom 4 all
11-29-2010, 01:20 PM
Everyone's a terrorist... :rolleyes:

The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot these days to the point where it's lost all meaning. Did you know that the term "idiot" was originally a clinical diagnosis for someone with an IQ under 20? When words are applied to anything even remotely resembling the construct, they lost all meaning.

Fredom101
11-29-2010, 01:34 PM
If the Saudi government is funding al Qaeda, and the US attacked Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11, isn't it safe to say that 9/11 was at least a partial inside job?

We now know that funding was coming from the Pakistan ISI and the Saudi government, both are known US allies.

Either US intelligence was asleep at the wheel (negligence), turning the other way (let it happen on purpose), or was fully aware of what was going on (inside job). Which is the most believable?

FrankRep
11-29-2010, 01:36 PM
If the Saudi government is funding al Qaeda, and the US attacked Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11, isn't it safe to say that 9/11 was at least a partial inside job?

18/19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian as well.

lester1/2jr
11-29-2010, 01:42 PM
If we know saudi arabia is the prime sponsor of terror why in the world are we backing THEM against Iran??

reduen
11-29-2010, 01:43 PM
Perhaps. I am sure they are trying.

I lived with nationwide warrants for my arrest (assume Armed and Dangerous), until I turned myself in. Traveled cross country twice and lived and worked.
Mr. Assange has resources, talents and a sharp mind.
I wish him the best of luck.
;)

Dude, you are an outlaw...! :cool:

reduen
11-29-2010, 01:45 PM
If we know saudi arabia is the prime sponsor of terror why in the world are we backing THEM against Iran??

Great question lester..! One that needs to be answered by every neocon that you meet in my opinion!!! :)

pcosmar
11-29-2010, 01:45 PM
18/19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian as well.

Hmm,
Imagine that.

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2008/04/300_bush-saudi.jpg

http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bushsaudikingkissing.jpg

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obamasaudibow2.jpg?w=430&h=278

Vessol
11-29-2010, 01:47 PM
If the Saudi government is funding al Qaeda, and the US attacked Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11, isn't it safe to say that 9/11 was at least a partial inside job?

We now know that funding was coming from the Pakistan ISI and the Saudi government, both are known US allies.

Either US intelligence was asleep at the wheel (negligence), turning the other way (let it happen on purpose), or was fully aware of what was going on (inside job). Which is the most believable?

I'd say a mixture of the later two.

UtahApocalypse
11-29-2010, 01:59 PM
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/


Currently released so far... 243 / 251,287

We have a long way to go to see what all is really in this. I really hope that when all 250k are released that it includes mundane, and normal cables and not just a pick and choose.

I want to read the "inside" reactions too 9/11; before and after the events. I want to read about the times during elections. i want to digest the cables during, and before the Iraq wars.