FBI apparently set up US teen blamed for fake car bomb

[Mach]

WTC 1993, Underwear Bomber, Times Square.....

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/28/fbi/index.html

[Dripping Rain]

the time square bomber? ::eek::
Greenwald does it again. Where are the neocons who promoted the living sh*t out of this story
*crickets*
Freidrich Von Hayeks words ring true again

[speciallyblend]

it is obvious that it was a set up but they will say it was his intent as usual!!

[driege]

That whole article was just speculation about what could have happened.

[pcosmar]

That whole article was just speculation about what could have happened.
:confused:

Standard operating procedures.

The FBI set the kid up. Recruited him trained and equipped him then busted him.
They created the entire case.

What is there to speculate?

They have done the same before. Often.

[youngbuck]

I just assumed he was set up like all of the others. Didn't even need to look into it. I just thought to myself "yep, just another one."

[Bruno]

:confused:

Standard operating procedures.

The FBI set the kid up. Recruited him trained and equipped him then busted him.
They created the entire case.

What is there to speculate?

They have done the same before. Often.

Yep.

This all started with alleged intent. It went from intent to attempting to explode a fake bomb built by the FBI after they assisted every step of the way.

This was the equivalent of an undercover cop overhearing someone in a bar who said he'd like to sleep with a prositute someday, then driving the guy to a whorehouse, slipping a condom on him, and then slapping the cuffs on him before he can get started.

How many tens of thousands, or millions more around the world have intent, according to our own government's estimates? Should we spend billions of dollars setting up every single person with intent with their own personal bomb plot so we can arrest them for it?

[pcosmar]

Yep.



How many tens of thousands, or millions more around the world have intent, according to our own government's estimates? Should we spend billions of dollars setting up every single person with intent with their own personal bomb plot so we can arrest them for it?

First you need to separate "Intent" from "Fantasy" .
And desire from random thoughts.

Unless we really want Thought Police.

[Zap!]

WTC 1993, Underwear Bomber, Times Square.....

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/28/fbi/index.html

How was WTC 1993 set up?

[Mach]

Here's an official quickie, you can dig in from there.....

YouTube - Rare TV NEWS report about WTC bombing FBI Foreknowledge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1Y6cGRXEs)

[devil21]

First you need to separate "Intent" from "Fantasy" .
And desire from random thoughts.

Unless we really want Thought Police.

There's also just plain mental illness. Then you can take it a step further into stuff like the CIA's mind control experiments like MKULTRA where people are recruited for the sole purpose of being a patsy or assassin or anything else they want you to be.

[jmdrake]

It should be obvious. The effect of the underwear bomber was wearing off. People have begun to realize that how fake the "trade liberty for security" devil's bargain is. So we needed a new injection of the "fear" drug to remind us that these threats are "real". Of course this means the porno scanners "need" to go mobile. We now need to porno scan children before going to a public Christmas tree. They could be hiding a bomb in that teddy bear. Maybe they'll start giving cops real X-Ray glasses.

[FrankRep]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories/AP-3-2010/mohamed-osman-mohamud-ap.001.jpg
Mohamed Osman Mohamud



The FBI knew Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, would attempt a terrorist attack in Portland, Oregon, and that the attempt would fail, because FBI agents had been assisting Mohamud every step of the way, even loading the fake bomb on the van for him. By Michael Tennant


Portland: Another Terrorist Plot Courtesy of the Federal Bureau of Instigation? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/5313-portland-another-terrorist-plot-courtesy-of-the-federal-bureau-of-instigation)


Michael Tennant | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
29 November 2010

[Madly_Sane]

Then shouldn't the FBI be held for treason/'attempted terrorism' (or terrorism if you believe other terror attacks in the US were b/c of the FBI)? Ofc not, if the gov't does it, then there's nothing wrong with it! :rolleyes:

[FrankRep]

Then shouldn't the FBI be held for treason/'attempted terrorism' (or terrorism if you believe other terror attacks in the US were b/c of the FBI)? Ofc not, if the gov't does it, then there's nothing wrong with it! :rolleyes:

The FBI gave Mohamed Osman Mohamud a FAKE bomb.

[Madly_Sane]

I know

[Madly_Sane]

But that doesn't mean they didn't have anything to do with other terror plots of events.

[FrankRep]

But that doesn't mean they didn't have anything to do with other terror plots of events.
Lets not forget about Mohamed Osman Mohamud.

[jmdrake]

The FBI gave Mohamed Osman Mohamud a FAKE bomb.

Yeah. I'm glad they learned their lesson from 1993 when they gave the terrorists a REAL bomb which was used to blow up part of the WTC. With friends like these....

[angelatc]

The FBI gave Mohamed Osman Mohamud a FAKE bomb.

Peer pressure is a powerful tool. They surrounded him with a support network and lots of positive reinforcement. Congratulations, FBI - you have mastered the Bin Laden method of creating terrorists.

[AuH2O]

I think this is a great story, but the thread title is misleading. At this point, any allegations of FBI wrongdoing are as specious and unsubstantiated as the FBI's one-sided account.

[jmdrake]

Lets not forget about Mohamed Osman Mohamud.

And when did Somalians start having a beef with the U.S.? Let's see. I seem to recall it was sometime after we paid off the Ethiopians to invade and destroy the little bit of peace and stability that had come to that country. In the name of fighting international terrorism we always create more.

(And before somebody yells "Blackhawk down", that was an act of national self defense. Clan elders were in a meeting with Aideed trying to get him to negotiate with the U.S. when we attacked their building killing those interested in peaced. Throw a rock at a hornet's nest and what do you expect?)

[Matt Collins]

It should be obvious. The effect of the underwear bomber was wearing off. People have begun to realize that how fake the "trade liberty for security" devil's bargain is. So we needed a new injection of the "fear" drug to remind us that these threats are "real". Of course this means the porno scanners "need" to go mobile. We now need to porno scan children before going to a public Christmas tree. They could be hiding a bomb in that teddy bear. Maybe they'll start giving cops real X-Ray glasses.Sad but true :(

[LisaNY]

There was also the Newburg, NY case last year:

Agents and police watched Wednesday night as the suspects allegedly planted what they thought were bombs outside two Jewish community centers in Riverdale, a Bronx, New York neighborhood. In one case the suspected terrorists planted a bomb inside a parked car. However, officials said the suspects were actually using fake explosives given to them in an earlier sting operation to make sure they didn't get their hands on real bombs.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/FBI-Bust-Plot-Foiled.html

[BuddyRey]

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[Anti Federalist]

The FBI knew Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, would attempt a terrorist attack in Portland, Oregon, and that the attempt would fail, because FBI agents had been assisting Mohamud every step of the way, even loading the fake bomb on the van for him. By Michael Tennant

And when the system needs to corral the sheeple back into the pen, it won't be a fake bomb, it'll be the real thing.

[Brian4Liberty]

Peer pressure is a powerful tool. They surrounded him with a support network and lots of positive reinforcement. Congratulations, FBI - you have mastered the Bin Laden method of creating terrorists.

Good point!

[Brian4Liberty]

All of the information about this episode -- all of it -- comes exclusively from an FBI affidavit filed in connection with a Criminal Complaint against Mohamud. As shocking and upsetting as this may be to some, FBI claims are sometimes one-sided, unreliable and even untrue, especially when such claims -- as here -- are uncorroborated and unexamined. That's why we have what we call "trials" before assuming guilt or even before believing that we know what happened: because the government doesn't always tell the complete truth, because they often skew reality, because things often look much different once the accused is permitted to present his own facts and subject the government's claims to scrutiny. The FBI affidavit -- as well as whatever its agents are whispering into the ears of reporters -- contains only those facts the FBI chose to include, but omits the ones it chose to exclude. And even the "facts" that are included are merely assertions at this point and thus may not be facts at all.

Absolutely. Glenn Greenwald was spot on there.

We will never know all of the facts. Unfortunately, that's the way it always is. Real life is not a movie or TV show where every fact and perspective is known and laid out for us.


It may very well be that the FBI successfully and within legal limits arrested a dangerous criminal intent on carrying out a serious Terrorist plot that would have killed many innocent people, in which case they deserve praise. Court-approved surveillance and use of undercover agents to infiltrate terrorist plots are legitimate tactics when used in accordance with the law.

That is the best case scenario. Hopefully that is what happened.


There are numerous claims here that merit further scrutiny and questioning. First, the FBI was monitoring the email communications of this American citizen on U.S. soil for months (at least) with what appears to be the flimsiest basis: namely, that he was in email communication with someone in Northwest Pakistan, "an area known to harbor terrorists" (para. 5 of the FBI Affidavit). Is that enough to obtain court approval to eavesdrop on someone's calls and emails? I'm glad the FBI is only eavesdropping with court approval, if that's true, but certainly more should be required for judicial authorization than that. Communicating with someone in Northwest Pakistan is hardly reasonable grounds for suspicion.

With this paragraph, Greenwald has inadvertently demonstrated the problem that our society faces. No one trusts the judicial system at all, and they don't trust them to use common sense. Many people would say, "yes, e-mailing a suspected terrorist in their stronghold does warrant a warrant." If that doesn't qualify, what does? We are stuck in a situation where seemingly easy and straight forward warrants are denied (or fought by lawyers like Greenwald), but at the same time the flimsiest and unsubstantiated warrants are issued every day against innocent Americans (usually as part of the war on drugs).

Why do the far right wingers want Guantanamo, no rights and no due process for accused terrorists? Because they don't trust the legal system anymore than the people who see them going after innocent people and completely disregarding the Bill of Rights.


Second,
...
Thus, we have only the FBI's word, and only its version, for what was said during this crucial -- potentially dispositive -- conversation. Also strangely: the original New York Times article on this story described this conversation at some length and reported the fact that "that meeting was not recorded due to a technical difficulty

More missing tapes? Chalk one up on the side of not believing the FBI.


Third, ... In June, he attempted to fly to Alaska in order to work on a fishing job he obtained through a friend, but he was on the Government's no-fly list. That caused the FBI to question him at the airport and then bar him from flying to Alaska, and thus prevented him from earning income with this job.

McFly?! Or, should I say McGreenwald? So the FBI is tracking a suspected terrorist that wants to kill random Americans and you want them to let him get on a plane? Those headlines would look real good "FBI lets known terrorist get on plane and he blows it up". Let's naked scan and feel up every single passenger, and then let a suspected terrorist on the plane? :rolleyes:


All of that aside, Greenwald standing up for the rights of the accused and those denied due process is commendable. Is anyone here familiar with more of Greenwald's writing?

What has he written on subjects such as:

- The MIAC Report?
- War on Drugs and it's abuses?
- Police checkpoints?
- The Hutaree case?

[Brian4Liberty]

All of that aside, Greenwald standing up for the rights of the accused and those denied due process is commendable. Is anyone here familiar with more of Greenwald's writing?

What has he written on subjects such as:

- The MIAC Report?
- War on Drugs and it's abuses?
- Police checkpoints?
- The Hutaree case?

After many Google searches, it looks likes Glenn has written about the war on Drugs and it's abuses. Can't find anything on the other topics.

[Mach]

I think this is a great story, but the thread title is misleading. At this point, any allegations of FBI wrongdoing are as specious and unsubstantiated as the FBI's one-sided account.

Complain to them, I copy and pasted the wrong title. :cool:

FBI apparently set up US teen blamed for fake car bomb (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/fbi-apparently-set-teen-blamed-fake-car-bomb/)




After many Google searches, it looks likes Glenn has written about the war on Drugs and it's abuses. Can't find anything on the other topics.

The earliest article is from 2006, click "Newer Articles" to move forward in time. ;)

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html?page=269

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[Brian4Liberty]

The earliest article is from 2006, click "Newer Articles" to move forward in time. ;)

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html?page=269

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Are there any of particular interest? The search function on the website barely works, and Google doesn't find much either.

[HOLLYWOOD]

ALL over the world... even from Switzerland

http://kabulpress.org/my/spip.php?article37747

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