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Mach
11-28-2010, 03:31 AM
A quick refresher course, this went into law in 2008, well, it is getting ready to be enforced, come 2011, one month away, the Red Flag Rule (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Red+Flags+Rule)s.

Disgusting!


http://www.helium.com/items/2024767-government-to-demand-proof-youre-not-a-terrorist-when-buying-a-car

Now government will demand proof you're not a terrorist when buying a car

by Terrence Aym

If you're in the market for a new vehicle anytime after December 31, 2010, be prepared for a background check. If you don't pass it, hit the pavement, Jack, you're out of luck. Maybe you can buy a bicycle.

Although the Department of Homeland Security has had the rule on the books since 2008, it hasn't been enforced.

Until now.

The mandate (and a watch list similar to that at U.S. airports) will affect much more than cars, trucks and motorcycles. Your family physician could get involved.



Red Flags Rule

What is being called the "Red Flags Rule" mandates that auto dealers, banks, credit unions and other "creditors" and "financial institutions" must take draconian steps under penalty of fines and prison sentences to prevent "identity theft and fraud."

Any person or entity that extends credit—even your dentist and doctor—falls under the mandate. The provision is also looking for terrorist ties or activity that might appear to be terrorist related. Names will be placed on watch lists, if yours happens to be on one (even if it's not you), better start shopping for a good pair of walking shoes—you'll need them.

Government intrusion continues to expand

During the latter part of 2010, pandemonium broke out over full body scanners and intrusive physical pat-downs by TSA employees at the nation's airports. The radiation emitting scanners have also been showing up at the entrances to some federal courthouse facilities.

The latest word is that these security measures are going to be instituted at train stations, docks and subway stations across the country during the coming year. And rumors have surfaced that other public places may see them installed as well—places like movie theaters and shopping malls.

Now the bloated ogre of government has stomped into the consumer goods marketplace and financing.

300 million suspects

Are you an American? If you are, congratulations! You're a suspect.

Since 911 the federal government has gradually shifted its focus on the war on terror away from individuals of certain age groups and cultural demographics to suspecting literally anybody and everybody.

A security apparatus driven by artificial precepts such as political correctness not only becomes much less effectual, but can become downright dangerous to individual civil liberties.

When a 90-year old wheelchair bound granny or a sobbing, 3-year old girl present the same potential threat level to the State as a 23-year old male from Yemen, something has gone horribly wrong

with America's internal security apparatus.

Now this type of systemic failure is being introduced into the world of commerce. Some people are beginning to wonder just who are the more effective terrorists: al-Qaeda or…

2011's brave new world

The rules that are set to be enforced starting 2011 will directly impact any American consumer seeking to finance a vehicle, house, townhouse, condominium, commercial property, or even a major appliance. The mandated rule also applies to any that hope to make payments on furniture, jewelry, loans on stock transactions…even medical services.



Your personal information must be provided: Social Security number, documented birth date (there's a possibility of having to produce a certified birth certificate), as well as answering questions from the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Department of Justice. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is not expected to become involved and for good reason—supposedly undocumented immigrants (a.k.a. aliens that illegally invaded the U.S.) may be exempt from these rules under the non-military federal version of "don't ask - don't tell."

One strike and you're out

Presumably 5 questions will be asked. If not answered satisfactorily in the judgment of unseen, unknowable bureaucrats, the you will be denied the purchase. You may also face fines, prosecution and federal jail time.

How does this help Maytag market its washers and dryers?

Questions could entail anything and must be answered at the time of purchase. Some of the queries may include your previous addresses, former telephone area codes, or even the names of other people in your household. If you can't remember a detail or erroneously answer one of the questions federal authorities will launch a criminal investigation against you.

Are you sure you want to purchase that new dining room set on time?

Some businesses already comply with the rules. Although they'll not affect you until 2011, the penalties and fines already apply to certain companies.

As you read this, American business is already being threatened with civil penalties and will be forced to make restitution on purchases if the transaction does not abide by the arbitrary rules imposed by DHS.

Starting 2011, those civil penalties will be ramped up to threats of imprisonment. Not following federal edicts during a sale of a dishwasher will be considered a federal offense.

According to independent security firms, the vast bulk of identity theft actually occurs on the Internet, not in finance transactions or at retail stores. These security experts believe the federal government has stepped way over the line.

Welcome to the 21st Century, where the government has now given itself the sweeping authority to decide whether or not you can purchase that car, and will stare over your shoulder when you decide to buy a new refrigerator.

Dripping Rain
11-28-2010, 04:07 AM
what if i make a mistake. what if i misread one of the questions
one more nail in the coffin of the car industry. Time for the Auto Companies to complete their transition into Latin America and China. but seriously someone must be making money off of this. there has to be a catch. theres one almost behind every law written by a lobbyist. Clearly its not the auto industry so who profits?

cindy25
11-28-2010, 04:48 AM
I would have thought by now that 911 would be a distant memory, and yet they keep using the same excuse over and over-and the sheeple fall for it

lynnf
11-28-2010, 05:04 AM
just say no. then buy on the huge black market that is bound to happen from this.

lynn

MRK
11-28-2010, 05:17 AM
When a 90-year old wheelchair bound granny or a sobbing, 3-year old girl present the same potential threat level to the State as a 23-year old male from Yemen, something has gone horribly wrong with America's internal security apparatus.

When a 23-year old male from Yemen is supposed to enjoy less rights under the 4th Amendment than everybody else, something has gone horribly wrong with America's internal justice apparatus.

MRK
11-28-2010, 05:21 AM
just say no. then buy on the huge black market that is bound to happen from this.

lynn

How do you propose enforcing credit debts in a black market? Is trust and reputation sufficient?

lynnf
11-28-2010, 05:42 AM
How do you propose enforcing credit debts in a black market? Is trust and reputation sufficient?

someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read this, it doesn't just apply to individual credit sales, but overall to any business that offers credit and would apply also to cash sales by that business (and that's the way these things usually work with the government). of course in the black market it's jungle rules and there would probably not be credit sales on any reasonable terms. but the desperate might accept unreasonable terms. caveat emptor.

oh, and if it doesn't apply to cash sales at this time, guess what -- mission creep! it will eventually.

lynn

Acala
11-28-2010, 07:05 AM
We would be better off with no credit.

LibertyEagle
11-28-2010, 07:15 AM
When a 23-year old male from Yemen is supposed to enjoy less rights under the 4th Amendment than everybody else, something has gone horribly wrong with America's internal justice apparatus.

Not so, if they are not American citizens.

ghengis86
11-28-2010, 07:42 AM
Not so, if they are not American citizens.

Really? I thought the constitution was a restriction on government, not man. Next, you'll be saying it's okay to hold non-citizens in jail indefinitely without bringing charges...

Mach
11-28-2010, 08:07 PM
Bump