Willie Nelson arrested for 6 ounces of Marijuana

[TNforPaul45]

Reposted from the PrisonPlanet forums:

http://blogs.chron.com/celebritybuzz/2010/11/tmz_willie_nelson_arrested_for_1.html?utm_source=f eedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+houstonchronicle/celebritybuzz+(Celebrity+Buzz)&plckCurrentPage=1

Thank goodness the State was there to protect him from that dangerous substance.

[Matt Collins]

I did his concert in Pensacola about a month ago. I didn't see any then :p

[TNforPaul45]

I did his concert in Pensacola about a month ago. I didn't see any then :p

But you associated with him, prior to his committing a heinous crime, so under the new Homeland Security Laws, that was a threat to national security and you'll have to be..........................TSARaped.

You'll be getting a visit soon Mr. Collins. Please comply. lol.

[Anti Federalist]

Nelson was busted at 9:00 AM at a Border Patrol checkpoint in Sierra Blanca, TX. Nelson was in his tour bus, traveling from California to Austin, when he was detained.

Why was he busted at a border patrol checkpoint traveling within the US?

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Constitution Free Zones.

Seriously, will it ever be enough?

http://blogofbile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/24/constitution_free_zone.png

[Anti Federalist]

But you associated with him, prior to his committing a heinous crime, so under the new Homeland Security Laws, that was a threat to national security and you'll have to be..........................TSARaped.

You'll be getting a visit soon Mr. Collins. Please comply. lol.

Spread 'em, Mundane!

[CaseyJones]

Freeeee Willie!!!

[TNforPaul45]

Why was he busted at a border patrol checkpoint traveling within the US?

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Constitution Free Zones.

Seriously, will it ever be enough?

http://blogofbile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/24/constitution_free_zone.png

Good Point AF! I totally forgot about these zones. Wow.
That makes me a little sicker to my stomach. I bet they have guys following him around just waiting to continue to make a public example out of him. :(

[johnny.rebel]

the police state is fuckin ridiculous. :mad:

[Anti Federalist]

Good Point AF! I totally forgot about these zones. Wow.
That makes me a little sicker to my stomach. I bet they have guys following him around just waiting to continue to make a public example out of him. :(

I would not take that bet.

I mean, it's Willie FFS.

What hack "officer" at TSA, ICE, or fuck knows what other branch of "cop-dom", can't figure out that it's a guaranteed bust to toss Willie's tour bus?

And since he's in the Constitution Free Zone, no troublesome "probable cause" and "due process" and "warrant" nonsense to worry about.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Rage_face.png

[Kotin]

:mad:

[pcosmar]

:mad:

Seconded
:mad:

YouTube - Ill never smoke weed with Willie again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iezk-z6hy9k)

But Willie is an American Icon. Perhaps this will wake a few more folks.

[pcosmar]

Bump for the daytime,

Perhaps folks will look at the utter stupidity of both the War on Drugs and the Pointless checkpoints.

Perhaps that is too much to hope for.
:(

[Chester Copperpot]

Willie has to know his rights better than this.

[coastie]

Willie has to know his rights better than this.


Knowing them means shit anymore...they could give a fuck if you know them or not, and he was in a Constitution Free Zone.

And, oh lookie...I live in a constitution free zone. Constitution Free zone, wow, still cant compute that phrase. Damn you English language.

In more important news, Jennifer and Derek won Dancing With The Stars this season.:rolleyes::mad:


Constitution Free Zone:confused::mad:

I had this great idea: I'm gonna install machines on the top of the founder's graves being that their remains now spin at Mach 2, and convert this spinny motion into electricity. Their motion is now perpetual, so almost zero maintenance costs, and zero fuel costs. Bam, I'm rich bitches.

[Dr.3D]

How can there constitutionally be a constitution-free zone? Looks to me like some states are entirely inside of such a silly thing.

[pcosmar]

How can there constitutionally be a constitution-free zone? Looks to me like some states are entirely inside of such a silly thing.

Michigan is.

:mad:

[coastie]

Michigan is.

:mad:

And so is Florida and most of New England.:mad::mad::mad:

ETA: I know of no directives within the USCG that mention any of this....and they're the coast guard, you know, the border and all. I was LE, and was never directed to nor heard of any such a thing, and yes, these zones existed while I was in. Not downplaying any of this on any level, just saying. I still talk to several(Florida) LEO's, both Federal and locals, and none of them have been instructed on these zones either. Weird.

[johnny.rebel]

How can there constitutionally be a constitution-free zone? Looks to me like some states are entirely inside of such a silly thing.
it is an oxymoron. government was created by the constitution, and unalienable rights were guaranteed to not be infringed by the bill of rights. to call an area a constitution-free zone is just obfuscation because constitution-free would mean no government, as well as, no respect for rights. Our overlords are out-of-control.

What exactly was Willie Nelson's crime?

[Rael]

what is this "constitution free zone"?

[Dr.3D]

what is this "constitution free zone"?

It's what the ACLU is calling the 100 mile band surrounding the country where unconstitutional searches are taking place.

[mczerone]

And so is Florida and most of New England.:mad::mad::mad:

ETA: I know of no directives within the USCG that mention any of this....and they're the coast guard, you know, the border and all. I was LE, and was never directed to nor heard of any such a thing, and yes, these zones existed while I was in. Not downplaying any of this on any level, just saying. I still talk to several(Florida) LEO's, both Federal and locals, and none of them have been instructed on these zones either. Weird.

Why would they be "instructed on these zones"? Seriously, it's above their pay grade to know about what type of operations are okay in certain areas and what type aren't. No, they aren't instructed about these zones, but they certainly are given orders to set up random road blocks in these zones to search vehicles without warrants. No requirement is made on these Border Patrol agents to show that the vehicles actually crossed the border, or otherwise committed an act of smuggling substances or peoples. No, they are doing general inspections in defiance of the constitution because they have been ordered to, by people who think such behavior is allowed within so many miles of a "border".

And I fail to see how taking drugs away from an old man and his musicians is, in any way, related to combating terrorism, securing the borders, or otherwise going to give any benefit to society. Oh - maybe the feds (or Border Patrol, no difference) wanted to give him more strife to give him inspiration for new music. That must be it.

[TNforPaul45]

Why would they be "instructed on these zones"? Seriously, it's above their pay grade to know about what type of operations are okay in certain areas and what type aren't. No, they aren't instructed about these zones, but they certainly are given orders to set up random road blocks in these zones to search vehicles without warrants. No requirement is made on these Border Patrol agents to show that the vehicles actually crossed the border, or otherwise committed an act of smuggling substances or peoples. No, they are doing general inspections in defiance of the constitution because they have been ordered to, by people who think such behavior is allowed within so many miles of a "border".

And I fail to see how taking drugs away from an old man and his musicians is, in any way, related to combating terrorism, securing the borders, or otherwise going to give any benefit to society. Oh - maybe the feds (or Border Patrol, no difference) wanted to give him more strife to give him inspiration for new music. That must be it.

It's not about combating terrorism, its about teaching the people to submit to the Federal Overstate. You see the civil war never ended, the Union still has their guns pointed at ALL of us now.

[mczerone]

it is an oxymoron. government was created by the constitution, and unalienable rights were guaranteed to not be infringed by the bill of rights. to call an area a constitution-free zone is just obfuscation because constitution-free would mean no government, as well as, no respect for rights. Our overlords are out-of-control.

What exactly was Willie Nelson's crime?

It actually isn't an obfuscation - it is 100% correct based on your analysis - in these areas there is no "government" - there are only gangs. There is no respect for your rights by these gangs, they truly do think of themselves as overlords.


Willie's crime was not obeying.

[johnny.rebel]

It's not about combating terrorism, its about teaching the people to submit to the Federal Overstate. You see the civil war never ended, the Union still has their guns pointed at ALL of us now.
excellent, excellent, excellent point! the civil war never ended! the war between the states wasn't about slavery, it was about control over the people and expansion of the empire. the 14th amendment didn't free anybody, it made us all slaves.

[TheDriver]

Willie was busted with Shrums a few years ago (8 ounces or so I believe), I doubt he gets anything out of this, he seems to be like Teflon when it comes to drug arrests.

[AGRP]

Arrest that man for choosing MJ over other dangerous substances like alcohol and tobacco!

[Anti Federalist]

what is this "constitution free zone"?

Fact Sheet on U.S. "Constitution Free Zone"

October 22, 2008

http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/fact-sheet-us-constitution-free-zone

The problem

* Normally under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the American people are not generally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches.

* The border, however, has always been an exception. There, the longstanding view is that the normal rules do not apply. For example the authorities do not need a warrant or probable cause to conduct a “routine search.”

* But what is “the border”? According to the government, it is a 100-mile wide strip that wraps around the “external boundary” of the United States.

* As a result of this claimed authority, individuals who are far away from the border, American citizens traveling from one place in America to another, are being stopped and harassed in ways that our Constitution does not permit.

* Border Patrol has been setting up checkpoints inland — on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship. Unfortunately, our courts so far have permitted these kinds of checkpoints – legally speaking, they are “administrative” stops that are permitted only for the specific purpose of protecting the nation’s borders. They cannot become general drug-search or other law enforcement efforts. (Once again, government lies - AF)

* However, these stops by Border Patrol agents are not remaining confined to that border security purpose. On the roads of California and elsewhere in the nation – places far removed from the actual border – agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing.

* The bottom line is that the extraordinary authorities that the government possesses at the border are spilling into regular American streets.

Much of U.S. population affected

* Many Americans and Washington policymakers believe that this is a problem confined to the San Diego-Tijuana border or the dusty sands of Arizona or Texas, but these powers stretch far inland across the United States.

* To calculate what proportion of the U.S. population is affected by these powers, the ACLU created a map and spreadsheet showing the population and population centers that lie within 100 miles of any “external boundary” of the United States.

* The population estimates were calculated by examining the most recent US census numbers for all counties within 100 miles of these borders. Using numbers from the Population Distribution Branch of the US Census Bureau, we were able to estimate both the total number and a state-by-state population breakdown. The custom map was created with help from a map expert at World Sites Atlas.

* What we found is that fully TWO-THIRDS of the United States’ population lives within this Constitution-free or Constitution-lite Zone. That’s 197.4 million people who live within 100 miles of the US land and coastal borders.

* Nine of the top 10 largest metropolitan areas as determined by the 2000 census, fall within the Constitution-free Zone. (The only exception is #9, Dallas-Fort Worth.) Some states are considered to lie completely within the zone: Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont.

Part of a broader problem


* The spread of border-search powers inland is part of a broad expansion of border powers with the potential to affect the lives of ordinary Americans who have never left their own country.

* It coincides with the development of numerous border technologies, including watch list and database systems such as the Automated Targeting System (ATS) traveler risk assessment program, identity and tracking systems such as electronic (RFID) passports, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI), and intrusive technological schemes such as the Secure Border Initiative Network (SBINet) or “virtual border fence” and unmanned aerial vehicles (aka “drone aircraft”).

* This illegitimate expansion of the extraordinary powers of agents at the border is also part of a general trend we have seen over the past 8 years of an untrammeled, heedless expansion of police and national security powers without regard to the effect on innocent Americans.

* This trend is also typical of the Bush Obama Administration’s dragnet approach to law enforcement and national security. Instead of intelligent, competent, targeted efforts to stop terrorism, illegal immigration, and other crimes, what we have been seeing in area after area is an approach that turns us all into suspects. This approach seeks to sift through the entire U.S. population in the hopes of encountering the rare individual whom the authorities have a legitimate interest in. (Fixed that for you ACLU - AF)


If the current generation of Americans does not challenge this creeping (and sometimes galloping) expansion of federal powers over the individual through the rationale of “border protection,” we are not doing our part to keep alive the rights and freedoms that we inherited, and will soon find that we have lost some or all of their right to go about their business, and travel around inside their own country, without interference from the authorities.

[coastie]

Why would they be "instructed on these zones"? Seriously, it's above their pay grade to know about what type of operations are okay in certain areas and what type aren't. No, they aren't instructed about these zones, but they certainly are given orders to set up random road blocks in these zones to search vehicles without warrants. No requirement is made on these Border Patrol agents to show that the vehicles actually crossed the border, or otherwise committed an act of smuggling substances or peoples. No, they are doing general inspections in defiance of the constitution because they have been ordered to, by people who think such behavior is allowed within so many miles of a "border".

And I fail to see how taking drugs away from an old man and his musicians is, in any way, related to combating terrorism, securing the borders, or otherwise going to give any benefit to society. Oh - maybe the feds (or Border Patrol, no difference) wanted to give him more strife to give him inspiration for new music. That must be it.

:confused: I was talking about the USCG specifically and, believe it or not, USCG Boarding Officers/Team Members are required to be periodically trained on 4th/5th Amendment....which is contradictory to train this way and then ask them to enforce these zones, dont you think? The USCG is heavily involved in immigration/border enforcement, it's not just CBP (like they really do shit anyway). Just stating a fact that at least one federal agency is not practicing this as a matter of policy.

[sofia]

willie is a 9/11 truther....rhis is why he gets harassed

[Chester Copperpot]

according to judge nap.. im pretty sure a year or two ago this crap was overturned...

cops who want to search your car have to have a warrant or your permission now even in constitution free zones

[Matt Collins]

according to judge nap.. im pretty sure a year or two ago this crap was overturned...

cops who want to search your car have to have a warrant or your permission now even in constitution free zones
Except that a touring band bus / motor coach is a "commercial vehicle" :mad:

[Anti Federalist]

And so is Florida and most of New England.:mad::mad::mad:

ETA: I know of no directives within the USCG that mention any of this....and they're the coast guard, you know, the border and all. I was LE, and was never directed to nor heard of any such a thing, and yes, these zones existed while I was in. Not downplaying any of this on any level, just saying. I still talk to several(Florida) LEO's, both Federal and locals, and none of them have been instructed on these zones either. Weird.

Coastie LEOs have already, long ago, asserted the "right" to board any vessel, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, other than checking documents or "safety equipment".

You were a boarding officer, was there anything that could be said or done by an owner or master, to stop a boarding if you decided to?

Basically, what ICE is doing is what USCG has been doing for years now with vessels.

Also, under USCG "zero tolerance" drug policies, your vessel is subject to seizure, the master subject to arrest, if any drugs are found onboard, even if those drugs belonged to a passenger.

[BlackTerrel]

How the hell did they find six ounces at a checkpoint? Do they literally search everyone or did he get special treatment because he is a celebrity?

[Anti Federalist]

How the hell did they find six ounces at a checkpoint? Do they literally search everyone or did he get special treatment because he is a celebrity?

See post #9


Originally Posted by TNforPaul45 View Post
Good Point AF! I totally forgot about these zones. Wow.
That makes me a little sicker to my stomach. I bet they have guys following him around just waiting to continue to make a public example out of him.


I would not take that bet.

I mean, it's Willie FFS.

What hack "officer" at TSA, ICE, or fuck knows what other branch of "cop-dom", can't figure out that it's a guaranteed bust to toss Willie's tour bus?

And since he's in the Constitution Free Zone, no troublesome "probable cause" and "due process" and "warrant" nonsense to worry about.

[Matt Collins]

How the hell did they find six ounces at a checkpoint? Do they literally search everyone or did he get special treatment because he is a celebrity?


See post #9
I already answered this question here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=3003189&postcount=31

[Anti Federalist]

I already answered this question here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=3003189&postcount=31

Do you know that?

Here's his RV (at least according to the intertubz)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2190/2181436752_d758b7ba03_z.jpg?zz=1

Here is a similar one.

http://www.motorhomereview.info/images/diesel-motorhomes.jpg

That is a Class A diesel "pusher", basically a converted transit bus.

Classed as an RV, it does not require commercial tags or a CDL to drive.

Now, maybe Willie's is registered as a commercial vehicle, I don't know that, and unless you got pictures of his tags when you were partying with him, you don't know that either. :p

I do know that Jesse Ventura was complaining about his RV being searched on a number of occasions leaving, not coming, to the US.

[Mach]

Willie went and spoke his mind on marijuana for years..... he is an example.... he showed them disrespect, so they had to teach him a lesson.

He should get out of jail, do an interview and fire up right on camera.

[speciallyblend]

Willie went and spoke his mind on marijuana for years..... he is an example.... he showed them disrespect, so they had to teach him a lesson.

He should get out of jail, do an interview and fire up right on camera.

I am sure he will and we will fire up with him!!!

Stop Domestic Terrorism, remove these elected officials aka US GOV!!!!

[BlackTerrel]

See post #9

Valid point made there.


Willie went and spoke his mind on marijuana for years..... he is an example.... he showed them disrespect, so they had to teach him a lesson.

He should get out of jail, do an interview and fire up right on camera.

The other thing is HE CAN AFFORD IT. Most of us paying that kind of fine and we'd also lose our jobs - this kind of bust can really fuck up your life.

Over what? 6 friggin ounces?

[bunklocoempire]

Why was he busted at a border patrol checkpoint traveling within the US?

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Constitution Free Zones.

Seriously, will it ever be enough?

http://blogofbile.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/24/constitution_free_zone.png

I can relate. They've tested it out and it works like a charm.:mad:

From 2007 and the Hawaiian Superferry sham:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Sep/12/br/br1263478509.html

"Lingle said the daylight schedule could conflict with other harbor users, such as cruise ships, but would better protect public safety in the event of protests.

"Our main focus has been on safety," Lingle said, explaining that a new, "unified command," will supervise the ferry....

...Lingle and the Coast Guard today warned of arrests and prosecution if protesters ignore a designated protest area and violate federal security zones that have been set up to ensure the ferry's safe passage into the harbor."

"Arrests and prosecution", they fail to mention the .50 caliber machineguns they were sporting.

:mad:!!!


Bunkloco

[speciallyblend]

I can relate. They've tested it out and it works like a charm.:mad:

From 2007 and the Hawaiian Superferry sham:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Sep/12/br/br1263478509.html

"Lingle said the daylight schedule could conflict with other harbor users, such as cruise ships, but would better protect public safety in the event of protests.

"Our main focus has been on safety," Lingle said, explaining that a new, "unified command," will supervise the ferry....

...Lingle and the Coast Guard today warned of arrests and prosecution if protesters ignore a designated protest area and violate federal security zones that have been set up to ensure the ferry's safe passage into the harbor."

"Arrests and prosecution", they fail to mention the .50 caliber machineguns they were sporting.

:mad:!!!


Bunkloco

someone should make a new Us Map minus all the orange!! The parts in orange are no longer america!

[Matt Collins]

Classed as an RV, it does not require commercial tags or a CDL to drive.

Now, maybe Willie's is registered as a commercial vehicle, I don't know that, and unless you got pictures of his tags when you were partying with him, you don't know that either. :pIf this incident had happened over a month ago, I would've been able to do that. I was on stage with him at the Pensacola show working as an engineer at that festival.

I am willing to bet money that it's a commercial vehicle for multiple reasons, including tax write-offs, limits of liability, the driver is probably hired (and thus holds a CDL), etc.

[Mach]

Comedian John Fugelsang pointed out that while Willie Nelson was arrested in Texas for 6 ounces of cannabis, God, who produces it naturally across globe, is still at large.

:D

Classic video!

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=122609

YouTube - Willie Nelson - Toby Keith - Scott Emerick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQANmQO2g0)

Edit: Better Audio

YouTube - I'll Never Smoke Weed With Willie Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgZH8kFAKc)

[Matt Collins]

According to someone who lives out that way:


It's an immigration checkpoint at a "choke point" along Interstate 10. Every vehicle if funneled off the highway through a covered checkpoint. I've been through it dozens of times, and a couple of times I was "requested" to open my back doors for inspection. They are looking for smuggled humans, but in this case I'll be the aroma of other illegal activity was overwhelmingly obvious.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[amy31416]

Do you know that?

Here's his RV (at least according to the intertubz)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2190/2181436752_d758b7ba03_z.jpg?zz=1



Are my eyes deceiving me or are those two horses, uh....you know....just about doin' it?

(Leave it to me to add something profound to a serious topic.)

[Mach]

YouTube - I'll Never Smoke Weed With Willie Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgZH8kFAKc)


Are my eyes deceiving me or are those two horses, uh....you know....just about doin' it?

(Leave it to me to add something profound to a serious topic.)

0:53 :cool:

[agitator]

They ought to be more careful
They're setting a bad example
They say animals don't worry
They're living on nuts and berries

They're setting a bad example
They ought to be more careful
You know animals are hairy?
They're living on nuts and berries

They want to know what's best
They're making a fool of us
They ought to be more careful
They're setting a bad example

They like to laugh at people
They're setting a bad example
They have untroubled lives
They think every thing's nice

[Anti Federalist]

The other thing is HE CAN AFFORD IT. Most of us paying that kind of fine and we'd also lose our jobs - this kind of bust can really fuck up your life.

Over what? 6 friggin ounces?

That ^^^ +rep.

Man, I've got nothing but respect for Willie, but BT nails it right here.

A drug bust, even if acquitted or pled down to a misdemeanor, can wreak havoc on an ordinary Mundane's life.

It won't be too much longer before the everfucking banksters start figuring any criminal record into your FICO score, if they aren't already.

If it happened to me, I'd lose all my fedgov "work papers", a thirty year career would be over, and I'd end up out of work, bankrupt and losing everything.

[pcosmar]

I met him briefly, and enjoyed his show in 1982, Behind the walls in Jefferson City Mo.

Never smoked any with him though (pity)

;)

[Anti Federalist]

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[Matt Collins]

Update: http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/03/28/willie.nelson.pot.plea/index.html