Fourteen incoming congressman scored 100% on C4L's Survey. Nine scored 95%, Seven 90%

[MRoCkEd]

From John Tate:


This election, at least twenty of our C4L members were elected to state offices, including two State Senators and ten State Representatives.

This November, 39 members of Congress who voted against Audit the Fed lost their reelection bids.

And the incoming 112th Congress will include fourteen members of Congress who returned our survey 100%. Additionally, nine scored a 95%, and seven answered 90% correctly.


I would like to find out who these people are.

[sailingaway]

Me to. I'd like C4L to post a list.

[MRoCkEd]

Found a list of candidates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshman_class_members_of_the_112th_United _States_Congress

I'll look them up.

[hazek]

What's the C4L survey??

[brandon]

the survey was useless

[MRoCkEd]

Went through all the new freshmen, and here is what I found:


Alabama-2: Mo Brooks scored 95%, leaving blank IRS question
Arizona-5: David Schweikert scored 95%, leaving blank whether he would vote for various tax cuts.
Florida-12: Dennis Ross scored 95%, voting NO on voting against unbalanced budgets
Michigan-1: Dan Benishek scored 95%, voting NO on withdrawing from the UN
New Mexico-2: Steve Pearce scored 95%, voting NO on withdrawing from the UN

Idaho-1: Raul Labrador scored 100%
Illinois-17: Bobby Schilling scored 100%
New Hampshire-1: Frank Guinta scored 100%

Ohio-18: Bobb Gibbs scored 90%, voting NO on declaring war, leaving blank eliminating IRS
Pennsylvania-10: Thomas Marino scored 90%, leaving blank declaring war and preventing wiretaps
West Virginia-1: David McKinley scored 90%, answering NO on withdrawing from UN and stopping warrantless wiretaps

[aclove]

the survey was useless

I disagree. Sure, anyone can put any answer they want on the survey, but at that point they've publicly gone on the record and taken a position. Now their voting records can be tracked and compared to their survey answers. If they vote contrarily to their stated positions, Campaign for Liberty can run a campaign in their districts to narc them out to the voters, and a Liberty candidate will have ready-made weapons to use against them in the next primary.

[Chester Copperpot]

Can we get a list of the congressman who voted against audit the fed and got booted out of office.. Id like to call up each and everyone and tell them goodbye,... thats what you get for not wanting an audit of the federal reserve...

let it sink in.. 39 more fuckers bye bye

[Thomas]

a c4l caucus...

[Matt Collins]

What's the C4L survey??
Here you go:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/candidatesurvey.php

[hazek]

Is it possible to see the survey somewhere?

[hazek]

Here you go:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/candidatesurvey.php

Refresh owned. :) Thanks!

[FSP-Rebel]

Where is Amash on that list? or did i miss his name?

[tremendoustie]

Not bad -- but I would like to see stronger questions about foreign policy and civil liberties. It was definitely heavily slanted towards fiscal conservatives ... which is expected, I guess.

[Michael Landon]

Any idea if Chip Cravaack from Minnesota CD8 answered the survey?

- ML

[NYgs23]

I didn't see a whole lot about cutting spending. Nothing about the Food Safety bill, TSA, or attempts at Internet takeover.

And the only questions that deal with opposing traditionally "conservative" statism are the "declaration of war" and "Patriot Act" questions, and they could easily weasel around them--many neocon types interpret the "authorization to use force in Iraq" as meeting the requirements of a declaration of war and the Patriot Act question was phrased in a way that they could justify voting for renewal so long as it didn't include what they'd decribe as "roving wiretaps and warrantless searches." Even supporters of the Patriot Act say they don't support "warrantless searches."

Bottom line: I'll believe they're for liberty when I see them vote for it.

[Knightskye]

There are some decent promises on that survey.
Balance the budget, withdraw from the UN, repeal the Patriot Act, declare war.

14. Nice.

[Knightskye]

Found a list of candidates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshman_class_members_of_the_112th_United _States_Congress

I'll look them up.

Lmao, I love how the shortened URL says "List of Tates Congress."

[Anti Federalist]

New Hampshire-1: Frank Guinta scored 100%

My new guy.

Glad I tossed a couple bucks his way.

[Knightskye]

Counting people who answered all 20 questions and answered "Yes" on all of them, I counted four.

Raul Labrador
Bobby Schilling
Frank Guinta
Mike Kelly

Justin Amash did not hand in a candidate survey, but he's a liberty candidate.

With Justin Amash, that's five candidates, which is still nine less than the amount C4L claimed.

I wonder if they're counting the candidates who had 17-19 "Yes" answers and left the rest blank?

[Knightskye]

Bump.

[Brett85]

Tim Huelskamp was also endorsed by Ron Paul. I guess he didn't answer the survey, however.

[wormyguy]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=261443 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=261443)

[Knightskye]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=261443 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=261443)

Did Trent Franks win, though? He's not listed on this Wiki page of newly elected representatives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshman_class_members_of_the_112th_United _States_Congress

That's what I went by. Is it incomplete?

[wormyguy]

Did Trent Franks win, though? He's not listed on this Wiki page of newly elected representatives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshman_class_members_of_the_112th_United _States_Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshman_class_members_of_the_112th_United _States_Congress)

That's what I went by. Is it incomplete?
Trent Franks won; he's an incumbent (so he's not a newly-elected representative). A good example of how the survey doesn't really vet candidates as strongly as it should.

[dannno]

the survey was useless

Way to have a long term perspective :rolleyes:




+1



I disagree. Sure, anyone can put any answer they want on the survey, but at that point they've publicly gone on the record and taken a position. Now their voting records can be tracked and compared to their survey answers. If they vote contrarily to their stated positions, Campaign for Liberty can run a campaign in their districts to narc them out to the voters, and a Liberty candidate will have ready-made weapons to use against them in the next primary.

[TCE]

Keep this thread on your Favorites or something and it will be interesting to see come March or April at the minimum who actually stands by their answers.

[Romantarchist]

My new guy.

Glad I tossed a couple bucks his way.

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100811/GJNEWS02/708119932/0/FOSNEWS0413



He said he would also fight for stronger support of Israel, which in his opinion, would help stabilize the situation in the Middle East.

MASSIVE dislike. Are you still glad about sending him money?

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100811/GJNEWS02/708119932/0/FOSNEWS0413



MASSIVE dislike. Are you still glad about sending him money?

http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/554/original/facepalm.jpg?1248715065

Yah, thanks for ruining my Thanksgiving dinner.

FFS...

Hey, at least he's not jetting off to Tel Aviv right after winning, like Rubio did.

[Knightskye]

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100811/GJNEWS02/708119932/0/FOSNEWS0413



MASSIVE dislike. Are you still glad about sending him money?

I'm sure he knows withdrawing from the UN also means giving up their resolutions.

[Thomas]

let's just ask C4L for a list.

[malkusm]

the survey was useless

Agree. My issue is that the questions should not be so leading. It's quite obvious what the "correct" answer according to C4L is when reading the questions. Especially when the "correct" answer is always "Yes."


I disagree. Sure, anyone can put any answer they want on the survey, but at that point they've publicly gone on the record and taken a position. Now their voting records can be tracked and compared to their survey answers. If they vote contrarily to their stated positions, Campaign for Liberty can run a campaign in their districts to narc them out to the voters, and a Liberty candidate will have ready-made weapons to use against them in the next primary.

Yeah, because saying one thing and voting another ALWAYS gets the incumbent voted out. :rolleyes: These guys are gonna be shaking in their boots when they hear that the powerhouse C4L is coming after them! :rolleyes:

[Knightskye]

Raul Labrador
Bobby Schilling
Frank Guinta
Mike Kelly
Roscoe Bartlett
John Duncan
Kenny Marchant
Ron Paul

That's using the "The 2010 Liberty Candidates" thread, which includes Ron Paul himself as a 20/20.

[Romantarchist]

http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/554/original/facepalm.jpg?1248715065

Yah, thanks for ruining my Thanksgiving dinner.

FFS...

Hey, at least he's not jetting off to Tel Aviv right after winning, like Rubio did.

Campaign For Liberty needs to shift into politically incorrect mode. They should add a question to their survey that says "Do you support ending all foreign aid, including aid to Israel?" The Israel issue is tied to so many other foreign policy issues that C4L can't afford to ignore it.

Sorry about ruining your dinner but look on the bright side: at least you're now aware that you shouldn't have donated to Frank Guinta so the same mistake won't be made in the future. I bet the reason he wants us out of the United Nations is because he thinks the UN is harming our ability to "win the war on terror" or because the UN is making it harder for us to donate unlimited amounts of money to Israel.

[wormyguy]

I bet the reason he wants us out of the United Nations is because he thinks the UN is harming our ability to "win the war on terror" or because the UN is making it harder for us to donate unlimited amounts of money to Israel.

Which is why I (in contravention of the conventional wisdom around here) think we should stay in the UN. If the neocons hate it so much, it must be worthwhile.

[Knightskye]

Which is why I (in contravention of the conventional wisdom around here) think we should stay in the UN. If the neocons hate it so much, it must be worthwhile.

You know why we should leave? Because then we couldn't use UN resolutions as a pretense for war.

[Adolfo Mena Gonzalez]

You know why we should leave? Because then we couldn't use UN resolutions as a pretense for war.

Yea, I have to agree with this sentiment. I find it odd that many "Conservatives" I talk to(who are really just Neo-Cons), fret about world government through the UN(though I guess they don't mind shadow government by the US around the world and installing leaders around the world), and that the the UN as a left wing anti-semitic conspiracy against America and Israel. Yet, when I pin them in a corner about the Iraq War, saying there were no weapons and no AQ connections, they cite enforcement of UN resolutions as justification. Then I mention the Constitution, and the supremacy clause, which says the the Constitution supersedes any other legal document, and point out their hypocrisy. They fear world government from the left, yet when it's suits their agenda, they don't mind having international law supersede the Constitution. This just shows, at the end of the day, they have no principles. Most Republicans have no principles, they just have a blind loyalty to their party and have a unhealthy paranoia about how the rest of the world is out to get them. And the funny thing is, they call us paranoid and delusional, but they are the one's who want to spend trillions of dollars destroying countries like Iraq and Afghanistan which have very small army's and cold war era soviet technology.

[Thomas]

I asked a C4L staffer who they are, they should get back to me soon.

[Daamien]

the survey was useless

Agreed.

[AuH2O]

Agree. My issue is that the questions should not be so leading. It's quite obvious what the "correct" answer according to C4L is when reading the questions. Especially when the "correct" answer is always "Yes."



Yeah, because saying one thing and voting another ALWAYS gets the incumbent voted out. :rolleyes: These guys are gonna be shaking in their boots when they hear that the powerhouse C4L is coming after them! :rolleyes:

These people are running campaigns where every word is soundbitten, misquoted or taken out of context, not just by C4L but anybody who pleases. It is no small risk nor throw-away gesture when they fill out a survey saying they support leaving the United Nations, for example.