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HOLLYWOOD
11-24-2010, 01:35 PM
Blowing our tax money or creating more debt for a BS talking point, no matter what the cost to the people.

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Only Suckers and Taxpayers Buy American hybrids
By: David Freddoso (http://washingtonexaminer.com/people/david-freddoso)
Online Opinion Editor
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Are you one of the 310 million or so Americans that wasn't planning on buying a Detroit-model hybrid automobile?

Too bad -- you already did, Bloomberg reports (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-23/obama-bolsters-u-s-hybrid-auto-sales-in-waning-consumer-market.html):
President Barack Obama’s administration has bought almost a fourth of the Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Co. hybrid vehicles sold since he took office, accelerating federal purchases as consumer demand wanes.

The U.S. General Services Administration, which runs the government fleet, bought at least 14,584 hybrid vehicles in the past two fiscal years, or about 10 percent of 145,473 vehicles the agency purchased in that period, according to sales data obtained by Bloomberg under a Freedom of Information Act request. In fiscal 2008, hybrids accounted for less than 1 percent of government purchases, the data showed.
Even if Government Motors can't increase its market share or improve its offerings, it will always have the Obama administration. Well, at least for two more yearsObama Bolsters U.S. Hybrid Automobile Sales in Waning Consumer Market


President Barack Obama’s (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack%20Obama%E2%80%99s&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) administration has bought almost a fourth of the Ford Motor Co. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=F:US) and General Motors Co. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GM:US) hybrid vehicles sold since he took office, accelerating federal purchases as consumer demand wanes.
The U.S. General Services Administration, (http://www.gsa.gov/) which runs the government fleet, bought at least 14,584 hybrid vehicles in the past two fiscal years, or about 10 percent of 145,473 vehicles the agency purchased in that period, according to sales data obtained by Bloomberg under a Freedom of Information Act request. In fiscal 2008, hybrids accounted for less than 1 percent of government purchases, the data showed.
The government is boosting investment in a technology that has failed to win broad acceptance after more than a decade in the marketplace. Consumer sales of hybrids are headed for their third consecutive yearly decline. Government agencies and businesses have said they also will purchase all-electric models being introduced by automakers including GM.
“At some point, the reality is that for this technology to be accepted, it needs to be done without a government crutch,” said Jeff Schuster (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Jeff%20Schuster&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja), director of forecasting at J.D. Power & Associates (http://www.jdpower.com/) in Troy, Michigan. “But without a huge gas-price increase or further government demand, the natural demand just isn’t to be there.”

Stimulus Money Used
About 3,100 of the hybrids purchased by GSA were paid for out of $300 million that the agency received from the 2009 economic stimulus package, said Sara Merriam, a spokeswoman for the agency, in an interview. Another 5,600 were bought with proceeds from selling older cars in the government fleet (http://www.govsales.gov/html/index.htm), she said. A majority of fiscal 2009 hybrid sales came after Obama took office in January 2009.
“This is the beginning,” Merriam said. “Our main goal is to increase the fuel efficiency of the federal fleet. The other goal is to drive the market toward cleaner technologies. It’s in the early stages of the government acquiring more hybrids and in larger quantities.”

The models purchased by the government ranged from $23,072 to $47,079, according to the data.
The government paid an average of $5,281 less for its hybrid vehicles than sticker prices at a dealership, according to a comparison of the GSA purchase data with prices collected by Edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com/), a consumer information website.
Global sales of hybrids, plug-in hybrids and electric cars are projected to be 954,500 vehicles, or 2.2 percent of the 44.7 million passenger vehicles projected to be sold this year, J.D. Power said in an Oct. 27 report. That may rise to 5.2 million units in 2020, according to the report.
Not Cost Competitive

“The lesson learned is that it isn’t easy to make these vehicles mainstream,” said Brett Smith (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Brett%20Smith&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja), who specializes in alternative propulsion vehicles at the Center for Automotive Research (http://www.cargroup.org/) in Ann Arbor, Michigan. “They are still not near the point where they are cost-competitive in the market.”
Toyota Motor Corp. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=TM:US) sold the first hybrid Prius in Japan in 1997 and Honda Motor Co. introduced the first hybrid to the U.S. in 1999. Total U.S. hybrid sales since then have been about 1.8 million, or about 1 percent of the 175 million cars and trucks sold during that period. More than half of those hybrids were Prius models.
The U.S. government buys hybrids almost exclusively from Ford and GM. It bought only 17 Prius models and five of Honda’s Civic hybrids in the past two years. Chrysler Group LLC stopped making hybrids in 2008 after about two months of production.
The government purchased about 64 percent of GM’s Chevy Malibu hybrid models and 29 percent of all Ford Fusion hybrids manufactured since Obama took office in 2009, the data show. GM stopped making the Malibu hybrid in 2009 after lack of consumer demand.

Leading by Example
GSA also bought about 14 percent of Ford Escape hybrids. Obama leased a hybrid Escape for himself in May 2007, before he was elected president. He turned it in this year because he’s rarely allowed to drive.
“It is good that the government leads by example,” Dan Becker (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Dan%20Becker&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja), director of the Washington-based Safe Climate Campaign, (http://www.safeclimatecampaign.org/) said in an interview. “At a time when we’re just beginning the era of the hybrid, it’s a positive sign that the government is stepping up to the plate and helping build that market.”
The next wave of new technology vehicles are so-called plug-in hybrids and electric models. GM’s Chevrolet Volt, which has a gasoline engine primarily for charging the battery, and Nissan Motor Co. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=NSANY:US)’s full-electric Leaf go on sale later this year. Ford’s Transit Connect electric delivery van is already on sale.

Plug-In Goals
Obama has set a goal of 1 million plug-in vehicles on the road by 2015 and has committed more than $11 billion in taxpayer funding to help support the technology.
GSA has accepted bids for contracts that may supply 100 electric delivery vehicles from a Ford dealership in Minnesota and Smith Electric, an affiliate of Washington, England-based Tanfield Group, the agency said on its website.
Hybrid and electric vehicles can be $3,000 to $20,000 more expensive than gasoline models, Smith said. The U.S. offers as much as $7,500 in tax credits for the purchase of plug-in vehicles and about a dozen U.S. states offer additional incentives.
Hybrid and electric vehicle technology only makes sense if it can stand without government support, Ford Chief Executive Alan Mulally (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Alan%20Mulally&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) told Detroit-area supplier executives in a Nov. 8 speech that was closed to the media.
“He was saying, ‘You have to have a business that doesn’t need all these government incentives,’” Karen Hampton (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Karen%20Hampton&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja), a Ford spokeswoman said, recounting the talk. “Incentives have a role to play when you’re trying to get new technology off the ground or change behaviors, but it’s not meant to be a permanent part of the business equation.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Angela Greiling Keane (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Angela%20Greiling%20Keane&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) in Washington at agreilingkea@bloomberg.net; Jeff Green (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Jeff%20Green&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) in Southfield, Michigan, at jgreen16@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Bernie Kohnt .

Travlyr
11-24-2010, 02:03 PM
I am a fan of the next stimulus being in the form of vouchers. The Treasury could authorize the Fed to create $20k vouchers for new GM automobiles and give it to everyone over 18 and under 80.

That would boost government motors sales, create jobs (for a little while) and make everyone (who didn't just buy a new car on their own) happy.

QE 2.1 tomorrow! I need a new car. :D

Elwar
11-24-2010, 02:06 PM
I'd buy a Chevy volt or a Nissan Leaf.

You get 30-40 miles in a Volt per charge.

Let's say the SHTF...gasoline will either be super expensive or non-existent.

If you have some solar panels on your roof, you'll be one of the few people able to drive at that point. Or at least, amongst the very wealthy that can afford the expensive gas.

Jeez
11-24-2010, 02:31 PM
Why do we have to buy GM or Ford or Chrysler to create jobs? Nissan,Toyota,Honda and Hyundai all have plants in US.

Godisnowhere
11-24-2010, 04:32 PM
The solution to our foreign oil is found in the must read book, Chaning Oil into Salt. Our cars for $150 each could run on Ethanol, Methanol, or gasoline. Since coal can be converted cheaply to Ethanol and we have enough coal in the US to last 10,000 years and no burning or emmissions happen via the conversion, this alternative could free us in a few short years. Also, Brazil makes Ethanol cheaply out of sugar but we place a huge tariff on it protecting our very inefficient Corn based fuel in the US. But we place no tariff on our enemies who are killing us.
This whole thing is rigged by crooks in politics. A GM VOLT for $45K for a Chevy is too much money. Do you want to pay $750 a month car payment? I have a Prius and get 50 MPG and it cost $21K. I will sell the car for 16.6-17 after 3 years and 45000 miles. Factor the savings of gas from my GM SUV at $2.65 a gallon and 15 MPG for $1766 a year or with a fuel efficient car at 25MPG or $2120 saved means I pay $66 a month to drive the Prius. Beat that one please. I challenge you.

Jeez
11-24-2010, 04:35 PM
The solution to our foreign oil is found in the must read book, Chaning Oil into Salt. Our cars for $150 each could run on Ethanol, Methanol, or gasoline. Since coal can be converted cheaply to Ethanol and we have enough coal in the US to last 10,000 years and no burning or emmissions happen via the conversion, this alternative could free us in a few short years. Also, Brazil makes Ethanol cheaply out of sugar but we place a huge tariff on it protecting our very inefficient Corn based fuel in the US. But we place no tariff on our enemies who are killing us.
This whole thing is rigged by crooks in politics. A GM VOLT for $45K for a Chevy is too much money. Do you want to pay $750 a month car payment? I have a Prius and get 50 MPG and it cost $21K. I will sell the car for 16.6-17 after 3 years and 45000 miles. Factor the savings of gas from my GM SUV at $2.65 a gallon and 15 MPG for $1766 a year or with a fuel efficient car at 25MPG or $2120 saved means I pay $66 a month to drive the Prius. Beat that one please. I challenge you.

Guess what they are cutting down to create sugarcane based ethanol in Brazil :D.