Glenn Beck on FOX News talking about Net Neutrality!!! FINALLY.

[Sentient Void]

Goddamnitt, FINALLY someone in the MSM is *railing* against the evils of so-called 'Net Neutrality'.

I've been contacting Fox Business news, Stossel, etc people for MONTHS to go over this.

He also said, "You lose the internet, America, you lose the war."

Finally!

UPDATE: Interestingly enough... he also just railed against and gave negative press to Boehner... +rep Beck

[RCA]

Beck is earning some real brownie points with me lately. I hope he continues on this path.

[Sentient Void]

Beck is earning some real brownie points with me lately. I hope he continues on this path.

Agreed.

Okay, fellow RPFers... flame on.

[Galileo Galilei]

Goddamnitt, FINALLY someone in the MSM is *railing* against the evils of so-called 'Net Neutrality'.

I've been contacting Fox Business news, Stossel, etc people for MONTHS to go over this.

He also said, "You lose the internet, America, you lose the war."

Finally!

Net Neutrality is one of the most important issues of our time. It needs to be preserved. The Internet was created with public assets.

[Sentient Void]

Net Neutrality is one of the most important issues of our time. It needs to be preserved. The Internet was created with public assets.

::throws up in mouth::

Yes... yes, Gal... more government is always the answer and will solve all of our problems. Because it's done such a goddamned good job so far.

Anyone who calls for *more* government intervention is either unfortunately ignorant of the past and present, or is, simply put - not a friend of liberty.

But anyways, any alleged 'problems with the internet' (that are virtually nonexistant, btw), service providers, content providers, etc... or problems 'that could potentially happen' (yawn), are not only *due* to government intervention, regulations and mandates in the first place (ISP's being mandated as public monopolies),... but these alleged 'problems' are being solved by the market regardless with services like 3G and 4G....

Example? I just got this advertisement in the mail... very interesting... http://www.gotoclear.com

Fuck the State. Fuck Net Neutrality. You sure are a glutton for punishment, Gal...

[low preference guy]

Net Neutrality is one of the most important issues of our time. It needs to be preserved. The Internet was created with public assets.

so if the government steals my property and does something with it... it must be preserved? LOL

-rep

[UtahApocalypse]

Net Neutrality is one of the most important issues of our time. It needs to be preserved. The Internet was created with public assets.

And the only way we can preserve the neutrality of the internet is to STOP government "Net Neutrality"

[Sentient Void]

And the only way we can preserve the neutrality of the internet is to STOP government "Net Neutrality"

Exactly. Orwellian doublethink FTL.

[Modern_Matthew]

Net Neutrality is one of the most important issues of our time. It needs to be preserved. The Internet was created with public assets.

Agreed.

We need a law that will preserve the Internet in its current state, banning both government AND corporation from violating Net Neutrality.

I don't care how much they spend on infrastructure and claim the right to offer it up how they wish. I will argue that point is moot in a crony capitalist system.

Until we have a truly free market, with ALL red tape removed, therefore allowing anyone with a few dollars to start their own ISP without all the obstacles... then Net Neutrality must be fought for tooth and nail.

[Galileo Galilei]

::throws up in mouth::

Yes... yes, Gal... more government is always the answer and will solve all of our problems. Because it's done such a goddamned good job so far.

Anyone who calls for *more* government intervention is either unfortunately ignorant of the past and present, or is, simply put - not a friend of liberty.

But anyways, any alleged 'problems with the internet' (that are virtually nonexistant, btw), service providers, content providers, etc... or problems 'that could potentially happen' (yawn), are not only *due* to government intervention, regulations and mandates in the first place (ISP's being mandated as public monopolies),... but these alleged 'problems' are being solved by the market regardless with services like 3G and 4G....

Example? I just got this advertisement in the mail... very interesting... http://www.gotoclear.com

Fuck the State. Fuck Net Neutrality. You sure are a glutton for punishment, Gal...

All public assets utilized in creating the Internet must be returned to the taxpayers, including accrued interest, penalties and late fees.

[Galileo Galilei]

And the only way we can preserve the neutrality of the internet is to STOP government "Net Neutrality"

Great. A let's privatize the Federal Reserve, too. You want to turn the Internet into the Federal Reserve system. Then we can have one private entity control money and the other control all communications.

[Cdn_for_liberty]

Great. A let's privatize the Federal Reserve, too. You want to turn the Internet into the Federal Reserve system. Then we can have one private entity control money and the other control all communications.

so you want the Fed to be politicized?

[Galileo Galilei]

so you want the Fed to be politicized?

I don't want taxpayers to dump trillions of dollars to the Fed, and then say; "OK, you are now privatized. You can keep all the money now".

Nor do I want trillions of dollars of public assets dumped to telecom companies, and then say to them; "now your are privatized. You can keep the Internet as your personal property."

[EndDaFed]

So ISPs should be allowed to not fulfill their contracts they made that stipulated neutrality when peering with other networks? Neutrality built the Internet and is the only thing that makes it great. Who would want to let it be run downed the drain like television? We already see what a corporate whore fest TV has become. Danger to liberty does not only come from government but can also come from privatively held power. Comcast is already violating its contracts by eliminating torrent traffic. The Internet is meant to be an open architecture that has no censors. So lets says the CEO of ISP x hates Ron Paul and decides to black list any website that mentions it. How is that any different than what happens in China? The only difference being that the tyranny is a private one rather than a state created one.

[Galileo Galilei]

This is sort of like what happens in South America, in corrupt countries where 95% of the land is owned by 5% of the people. Then someone says, let's privatize the land! Wow, that's a great idea.

[silentshout]

Agreed.

We need a law that will preserve the Internet in its current state, banning both government AND corporation from violating Net Neutrality.

I don't care how much they spend on infrastructure and claim the right to offer it up how they wish. I will argue that point is moot in a crony capitalist system.

Until we have a truly free market, with ALL red tape removed, therefore allowing anyone with a few dollars to start their own ISP without all the obstacles... then Net Neutrality must be fought for tooth and nail.

^ i agree.

[FSP-Rebel]

I don't want taxpayers to dump trillions of dollars to the Fed, and then say; "OK, you are now privatized. You can keep all the money now".

Nor do I want trillions of dollars of public assets dumped to telecom companies, and then say to them; "now your are privatized. You can keep the Internet as your personal property."
I doubt any of us want to privatize the fed, just eliminate it by allowing competing currencies. AKA, allowing the free market to work in the monetary realm.

Regarding NN, have a look at this: http://blog.mises.org/10967/a-libertarian-take-on-net-neutrality/. Allowing the gov to regulate will put rpf, dailypaul and related sites in the gutter.

[FrankRep]

Net Neutrality is one of the most important issues of our time. It needs to be preserved. The Internet was created with public assets.

Hell No. No Government regulation of the Internet!

I'm anti-Net Neutrality.

[specsaregood]

So he is talkinga bout it, now that it has been effectively killed off?
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/08/net-neutrality-advocates-silent-in-wake-of-tuesdays-election/

Way to take the lead glenn. ;)

[RonPaulCult]

If you give the government "power" or "the right" to regulate the internet for our own good, WATCH OUT, that means the government has the "power" or "the right" to regulate the internet in other ways, including censorship.

I agree that we need a truly free market to have everything we desire, but why move towards more government to solve our problems?

Also, don't even begin to compare this to the Fed, which may be "private" but it's a government granted MONOPOLY. If everybody were free to do what the Fed does, none of us would have a problem with The Fed.

[FrankRep]

So he is talkinga bout it, now that it has been effectively killed off?
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/08/net-neutrality-advocates-silent-in-wake-of-tuesdays-election/

Way to take the lead glenn. ;)


Glenn Beck says Net Neutrality would 'destroy the free market that created the Internet'
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-says-net-neutrality-would-destr


October 30, 2009

[BenIsForRon]

Glenn Beck says Net Neutrality would 'destroy the free market that created the Internet'
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-says-net-neutrality-would-destr


October 30, 2009

Do you not realize that article was negative towards Beck?

Anyway, I think it's important that we all remember that many of the people support Net Neutrality have good intentions. They really do want to preserve free speech.

However, they're being led into a trap. What we need is for state and local governments to stop supporting telecom monopolies. That way, neither corporations or the government control the internet.

[FrankRep]

Do you not realize that article was negative towards Beck?

The point is that Glenn Beck was talking about Net Neutrality back in 2009.

[Bruno]

The point is that Glenn Beck was talking about Net Neutrality back in 2009.

Agreed. He was talking about it a long time ago.

[BenIsForRon]

The point is that Glenn Beck was talking about Net Neutrality back in 2009.

oh

[Sentient Void]

This is sort of like what happens in South America, in corrupt countries where 95% of the land is owned by 5% of the people. Then someone says, let's privatize the land! Wow, that's a great idea.

This shows that you clearly don't understand the truly libertarian version of privatization / marketization. You're referring to the extremely flawed and immoral republican version of privatization.

I must suggest some Rothbard.

Here's the right direction to look at *true* libertarian privatization. Read the OP... quoted from Rothbard.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=263628&highlight=privatization

[Galileo Galilei]

This shows that you clearly don't understand the truly libertarian version of privatization / marketization. You're referring to the extremely flawed and immoral republican version of privatization.

I must suggest some Rothbard.

Here's the right direction to look at *true* libertarian privatization. Read the OP... quoted from Rothbard.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=263628&highlight=privatization

No, you do not understand private property. Rothbard is a horrible writer and does not understand private property either.

[silverhandorder]

No, you do not understand private property. Rothbard is a horrible writer and does not understand private property either.

Oh lol and a Hamilton lover does! Dude save your breath you are in wrong company.

[Maximilian American]

So ISPs should be allowed to not fulfill their contracts they made that stipulated neutrality when peering with other networks? Neutrality built the Internet and is the only thing that makes it great. Who would want to let it be run downed the drain like television? We already see what a corporate whore fest TV has become. Danger to liberty does not only come from government but can also come from privatively held power. Comcast is already violating its contracts by eliminating torrent traffic. The Internet is meant to be an open architecture that has no censors. So lets says the CEO of ISP x hates Ron Paul and decides to black list any website that mentions it. How is that any different than what happens in China? The only difference being that the tyranny is a private one rather than a state created one.

In regards to your question, The free-market approach for a consumer is to choose another ISP that doesn't black list Ron Paul information or any information at all. When Individuals are free to choose in a open-unregulated free-market then there is unlimited and ever-growing choice for the consumer and healthy growth of competition for the economic industry in question, and that makes God smile upon his wise children :).

[sailingaway]

Finally?

Since when do we depend on Beck to preserve our liberties?

I'm glad he's calling attention to it, all the same.

The government should not regulate the internet.

[Sentient Void]

No, you do not understand private property. Rothbard is a horrible writer and does not understand private property either.

Weak response with no substance whatsoever.

FAIL.

[Matt Collins]

Internet Cop (http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/08/internet-cop)

President Obama’s top man at the Federal Communications Commission tries to regulate the Net.

March 2011 Reason Magazine article here:
http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/08/internet-cop

[00_Pete]

If Net Neutrality means ISP´s regulating their bandwith the way they want im all for it. Private business you know...

Besides why should the rest of us suffer because the emule´s and torrents and peer-2-peer and all that are swallowing most of the net bandwith (and mostly to steal other people´s work)?

[FrankRep]

If Net Neutrality means ISP´s regulating their bandwith the way they want im all for it. Private business you know...

Net Neutrality is Government regulation over the ISPs. You have it backwards.

[00_Pete]

Net Neutrality is Government regulation over the ISPs. You have it backwards.

Ahhh...then im all against it!

[FrankRep]

Ahhh...then im all against it!

Read all about it. Ron Paul is Against Net Neutrality as well, if that tells you anything.


Preserve Internet Freedom -- Beware Obama's Net Neutrality
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?215827-Preserve-Internet-Freedom-Beware-Obama-s-Net-Neutrality

[00_Pete]

Read all about it. Ron Paul is Against Net Neutrality as well, if that tells you anything.


Preserve Internet Freedom -- Beware Obama's Net Neutrality
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?215827-Preserve-Internet-Freedom-Beware-Obama-s-Net-Neutrality

It certainly does.

[pcosmar]

Internet Cop (http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/08/internet-cop)

President Obama’s top man at the Federal Communications Commission tries to regulate the Net.

March 2011 Reason Magazine article here:
http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/08/internet-cop


Should have bumped all these threads an hour apart. rather than all at once

Get more to read them that way.
;)

[HOLLYWOOD]

$61 Billion in cuts by the GOP house included Defunding the Obama regime's Net Neutrality power grab.

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/144959-house-passes-amendment-to-defund-net-neutrality

Amendment to Defund Net Neutrality passes


By Sara Jerome - 02/17/11 07:06 PM ET
The House passed an amendment to the Republican spending bill on Thursday to prevent the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) from using funding to implement net neutrality rules, which Republicans strongly object to.
Communications subcommittee Chairman Greg Walden (R-Ore.) offered the amendment, which passed in a 244 to 181 vote.
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Analysts question whether this amendment, along with other GOP defunding measures, can survive the legislative process. The FCC's net neutrality rules, passed in December, have strong support from Senate Democrats and President Obama.
The amendment sparked a heated floor debate on Thursday about the merit of broadband regulations.
Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.), the ranking member of the communications subcommittee, and Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) mounted a strong defense of the FCC rules.
Walden questioned why the FCC is shielding Web companies from regulation while punishing broadband providers.